Before the Clock Strikes Thirteen: The Language Thread

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Before the Clock Strikes Thirteen: The Language Thread

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2southernbooklady
Nov 18, 2016, 9:15am

Well that is just all kinds of depressing.

3SPRankin
Nov 18, 2016, 9:54am

My prediction for 2017: "Orwellian" and "Kafkaesque" will get quite the workout.

4cindydavid4
Nov 19, 2016, 3:52pm

Im really hoping that they will never include 'bigly'. Pls no.

6lisapeet
Editado: Nov 23, 2016, 9:42am

Hmm, haven't seen Arrival, but the whole Sapir-Whorf idea interests me.

I discovered a great new-to-me word in Zadie Smith's essay collection:

Velleity: the lowest degree of volition, a slight wish or tendency. A wish or inclination not strong enough to lead to action.

Reminds me of an awful lot of people I know these days.

7southernbooklady
Nov 23, 2016, 10:35am

>6 lisapeet: A wish or inclination not strong enough to lead to action.

As in, I wish my house was cleaner, but not enough to actually get out the vaccuum?

That's practically a life philosophy for me!

8lisapeet
Nov 23, 2016, 11:23am

Yes, says the woman who had to take an entire day off work in order to get the house company-worthy (although in my defense, I haven't had any free time on the weekends all month so it's not really a matter of velleity this time around).

9JulieCarter
Dic 1, 2016, 3:11pm

That might as well be my actual name. Hi, I'm Velleity Carter!

10cindydavid4
Dic 30, 2016, 9:20am

This is a fascinating article:

12 Old Words that Survived by Getting Fossilized in Idioms

http://mentalfloss.com/article/51150/12-old-words-survived-getting-fossilized-id...

11Cara_DB
Ene 3, 2017, 10:31pm

Fun, Cindy. I didn't know any of those except kith.

12lilithcat
Ene 3, 2017, 10:38pm

>10 cindydavid4:

Oh, dear, I must be a fossil, too, as I use many of those words on a regular basis!

13karenwall
Ene 24, 2017, 5:16pm

Alternative facts. Lies vs.falsehoods. it's something new everyday.

14Kat.Warren
Ago 20, 2017, 3:40pm

How does one pronounce "antifa?"

15LolaWalser
Editado: Ago 20, 2017, 5:42pm

>14 Kat.Warren:

Stress on the AN(ti)--that's what a guy said in a Democracy Now video. Ah, I think it was this one: Antifa: A Look at the Antifascist Movement Confronting White Supremacists in the Streets

Same as in "antifascist" but cutting off "scist".

P.S. If you watch the video, note that Amy Goodman mispronounces it until this guy answers.

16cindydavid4
Ago 21, 2017, 8:11pm

When did this word even come into being? Never heard of it till Trump and cronies talk about this horrible bunch of thugs under that label. I get what it means, but does it really cover every person who is in resistance to the administration and protesting against Nazism and White Supremacy?

17LolaWalser
Ago 21, 2017, 9:18pm

>16 cindydavid4:

To the best of my understanding, the word does not denote a unified, centrally organised movement, it's just a blanket term for everyone protesting the fascists. I would much prefer it if everyone stuck to the ordinary "antifascists" when general references are being made, but the irritating abbreviation seems to have caught on. "Antifa" sounds too much like a name for a specific organisation and it's no wonder people are confused.

18JulieCarter
Ago 22, 2017, 11:28am

Well, when the right refers to it, they always include pictures of the people who cover themselves in black and are violent (sometimes to property, sometimes to people). So I have thought of Antifa as that group only. The inference that everyone on the left is Antifa is so misleading and just plain false. Antifa are the anarchist assholes, usually, from what I have seen until literally the last two weeks, when they're trying to expand who that label applies to.

19lisapeet
Editado: Ago 22, 2017, 11:51am

The term dates back to the Antifascist groups in Germany in the 1930s. So there's plenty of historical precedent. It's generally meant to cover antifascist action in general, not just violent groups, though it tends to fold in the alt-left as a whole (which in itself is a super annoying term).

And of course the right portrays them as anarchist assholes. That information is worth about what you paid for it.

20LolaWalser
Ago 22, 2017, 11:55am

>18 JulieCarter:

Personally, I don't give a fuck about how the right defines anything; general American culture's intense right-wing slant is bad enough in twisting perceptions.

21LolaWalser
Ago 22, 2017, 12:00pm

>19 lisapeet:

You mean "antifa", right? Fwiw, I don't remember ever seeing it before (and I'm a card-carrying descendant of three generations of card-carrying antifascists), that's why I too thought at first it was some specific group.

Antifascism by that term of course came into existence in Italy with the emergence of fascists.

22lisapeet
Ago 22, 2017, 12:19pm

>21 LolaWalser: Yes, I was talking about "antifa." I could be wrong, though--I'm going by anecdotal reports and not, like a good librarian, primary sources. Now I'm interested, though. I'll have to take a look when I'm not sitting in a waiting room with my iPad--them're some suboptimal research conditions.

23karenwall
Mayo 9, 2018, 10:25am

Be Best. Really Mrs.,Trump. WTF?

24lisapeet
Mayo 9, 2018, 10:47am

Looks like she ran out of iron-on letters or something. I guess all the Ms, As, and Gs were used up, anyway.