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El Bonobo y los diez mandamientos : en busca de la ética entre los primates (2013)

por Frans de Waal

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A renowned primatologist argues that ethical behavior witnessed in animals is the evolutionary and biological origin of human fairness and explains that morality has more to do with natural instincts than with religion.
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  Joop-le-philosophe | Nov 19, 2021 |
De Waal explores for the first time the implications of his work with primates for our understanding of human morality. He delivers fascinating evidence for the seeds of ethical behavior in primate societies that further cements the case for the biological origins of human fairness. Interweaving the details from the animal kingdom with thoughtful philosophical analysis, dde Waal seeks a bottom-up explanation of morality that emphasizes our unique connection with animals.
  PendleHillLibrary | Jun 17, 2021 |
This book caught my eye at my favorite used bookstore last year, and I had to buy it. This summer I grabbed it to take with me on vacation. I found it so fascinating that I ended up reading probably at least half of the book out loud to my husband in the car, and what bits I didn't read to him directly I later recounted.

de Waal has spent countless hours observing chimpanzees and bonobos, and here he brings tales of moral and ethical behavior in our ape (and monkey) kin in order to build a bottom-up explanation of morality -- one that relies on evolutionary biology and observation rather than a top-down mandate from a deity on high. That said, I wouldn't call this work anti-religious, in fact, de Waal spends some time gently mocking the dogmatically anti-religious.

This book does sometimes feel a bit scattered -- de Waal seems to be building to some larger point then suddenly moves on, letting the momentum collapse. The book seems to clearly be aiming to make some mark in the atheists versus literal fundamentalists cultural debate, but that point isn't as sharp or well-driven as one might like.

That said, his anecdotes are so fascinating, and it's hard not to come away from this book with a profound understanding that moral behavior is something that has been evolving with us for longer than Homo sapiens has walked the earth, and is not restricted to only our branch of the evolutionary tree. It's got me thinking about how societies shape expectations of acceptable behavior -- and why.

Defintely worth the read, and I'm sure it will leave a permanent stamp on my thinking. ( )
1 vota greeniezona | Jan 24, 2019 |
Are morals, ethics, behaviors we refer to as 'humane' uniquely human? This seems a fairly absurd proposition to me. It would be like saying that ours is the only species that can see colors, or enjoy sex, or care for our young. And yet, apparently, there are those who believe only humans have a sense of right and wrong (or, if you prefer, acceptable and unacceptable behavior). In this book, Frans de Waal demonstrates why this is demonstrably not the case and shows how other living mammals demonstrate similar characteristics. He doesn't anthropomorphize other species. He is quite aware that other animals aren't human. He is also fully cognizant of the fact that humans are also animals.

The not-quite-yet extinct bonobo is probably the living creature most like us, so many of the behavioral comparisons he draws are between us and them, but he also points to behaviors exhibited by chimps, monkeys, dogs, even whales. Not only do other mammals show empathy, affection, and a desire to help others, they also recognize when others are suffering or are being treated unfairly...and some will not hesitate to comfort the victim and confront the victimizer.

The 'atheist' part in the title is a call to atheists not to be too hard on theists for their mistaken belief that ethical behavior is somehow imposed upon man by God. In this extreme theistic view, animals, including humans, are inherently selfish and cruel. Obviously, this is not the case. A sense of right and wrong doesn't require a divine agent to impose it, but religions, says de Waal, have their place in codifying moral behavior, at least within the group of believers. I'm not sure how much I agree with this. I would think secular laws would serve the same purpose, but de Waal seems to think that the veneer of the divine somehow makes it all more satisfying to some, and perhaps makes it more likely they will obey their internal sense of what is right rather than reason themselves out of it. At least that's what I think he's saying.

It's an interesting book. I can recommend it to anyone interested in human behavior and ethics. ( )
1 vota DLMorrese | Oct 14, 2016 |
I am extremely disappointed in this work. I know someone who is bothered both by the fact that I am an atheist, and by my insisting the evolution does not require personal confrontations between rivals; one might just have a better immune system. A liberal Christian, he believes in evolution, but doesn't have much understanding of how it works. I had hoped to be able to recommend this book, thinking that perhaps hearing it from a noted scientist would be more effective than hearing it from me. I am certain that he would love this atheist-bashing book if I were crazy enough to recommend it, but that would be like handing him a stick to beat me with.

Frans de Waal is supposedly an atheist, but he certainly doesn't like other atheists. I sometimes wince at some of the things militant atheists say, but he doesn't seem to approve of atheism at all. Of course, believers can be tactless too, but that's o.k. I'm not certain if we are supposed to hide our lack of belief behind evasions like: "I'm not a church-goer, but Jesus was great teacher." And he goes over and over the idea, with a little Protestant bashing thrown in. He has a good point that religion is close to universal, but if he would like atheists to tread a little more lightly, he might try setting a good example.

I really don't see what this has to do with his supposed main point about the evidence of morality in animals. He is arguing that the basis of morality is "bottom-up," arising from our nature as gregarious animals with significant parental care for offspring, and is only refined and strengthened by philosophy and religion. I loved that part of the book, although I'm probably a pushover on that subject. De Waal offers a mixture of research and anecdotes, mostly from apes, but also including other animals such as elephants.

Three stars meaning the very good mixed with the very bad. I may try his earlier, similar book Good Natured in hopes of finding something I can recommend. I understand that doesn't include the tirades about atheists. ( )
  PuddinTame | Jun 6, 2016 |
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It is hard to resist the implication that de Waal draws from this, that empathy is essential to the social character of social animals, and a more than sufficient evolutionary source of human morality. What else could underlie bonding, mutual awareness of needs, sharing and co-operation, and the readiness with which group harmony is restored after outbursts of conflict, than recognition of the emotional states of others? His early empirical work in primate ethology was on competition, deception and conflict resolution among chimpanzees (his first book Chimpanzee Politics, published in 1982, reported the outcome), and it led naturally to this view about the emotional continuum with human beings. The view was highly controversial at first, but de Waal has been progressively winning the argument ever since; and by extending his ethological studies to include elephants he has secured the ground for saying that empathy is the evolutionary basis of human morality.

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De Waal’s new book, The Bonobo and the Atheist, addresses a matter that he says he had left insufficiently clear in earlier books. The move from descriptions of primate co-operation and conflict resolution to human morality might be a natural one for many people, but to those for whom morality and religion are inextricably linked it is not so obvious. His book is intended to explain the point to them.

The book is, however, an oddity. Besides the stated aim it is a mixture of memoir, a repetition of de Waal’s now familiar views, and a hostile discussion of the “new atheist” movement. The result is a somewhat unfocused ramble, the main point of which, apart from rehearsing the already-won “apes R us” argument, appears to be to distance himself from the “new atheist” attack on religion. He is himself an atheist, he tells us; as an educated scientific Dutchman from secular Europe where religion is a minority if sometimes noisy sport, what else could he be? But he does not like the “new atheists,” and takes the view that religion, though false, has a role, and should be left alone.

Why, he asks, are the “new atheists” evangelical about their cause? “Why would atheists turn messianic?” He cannot see why Sam Harris, Richard Dawkins, the late Christopher Hitchens, Daniel Dennett and others attack religion and believers, and why they robustly and even aggressively argue the case for atheism. He can see why the advocates of religion do it; the more believers, he says, the more money they get. (Here, as a sympathiser, he should perhaps recognise that some religionists sincerely believe they have the Truth that will save us, and might be trying to be helpful; not all of them want money.)

Well: here is the answer to de Waal’s question. Some atheists are evangelical because religious claims about the universe are false, because children are brainwashed into the ancient superstitions of their parents and communities, because many religious organisations and movements have been and continue to be anti-science, anti-gays and anti-women, because even if people are no longer burned at the stake they are still stoned to death for adultery, murdered for being “witches” or abortion doctors, blown up in large numbers for being Shias instead of Sunnis… One could go on at considerable length about the divisions, conflicts, falsehoods, coercions, disruptions, miseries and harm done by religion, though the list should be familiar; except, evidently, to de Waal.
 

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