teens talk about anything... or if you need help with anything 19
Esto es una continuación del tema teens talk about anything... or if you need help with anything 18.
Este tema fue continuado por teens talk about anything... or if you need help with anything 20!!.
CharlasManga and Anime Addicts
Únete a LibraryThing para publicar.
3Owltherian
:> its fine
5Arson_lover_v.2
cuteeeeee i neeed
6Owltherian
ehhfeihefihefihef- MOTHMANNNNN
7Sxkurablossom
>6 Owltherian: YES TYYYYYYYY
9Arson_lover_v.2
cuutteeeee
10Owltherian
OMIGURD AHHHHHHHH
11Sxkurablossom
4NjZkLWQ0OWYyNzE2MzgxNFwvYWlib25kYXItNC5wbmciLCJvcGFjaXR5Ijo5NSwicHJvcG9ydGlvbnMiOjAuNDUsImdyYXZpdHkiOiJjZW50ZXIifX0.Xd3WIN6LtWOfB93yyHdlBr7Jli5LDtdA3RrEsSvrF6M&usqp=CAU" alt="Adopt $3.Dragon Bizon 14.09.23 11 by aibondar on DeviantArt"/>
12Arson_lover_v.2
the owl faced thing is cuteee!!!!
13Sxkurablossom
ikkkk
14Owltherian
kihiehfiehifehei- I NEED DEM
15Sxkurablossom
lmao
17Owltherian
Owl Faced Thing Is MINE and AHHHHHHHHHHHH OWLSSSSSSSSSSSSS
18Sxkurablossom
its a mix of something with barn owl
19Owltherian
I LOVE DEMMM
20Sxkurablossom
I found it
22Arson_lover_v.2
OMG SO COOL!!
23Sxkurablossom
its this gryphon owl antlers
24Arson_lover_v.2
it cool
25Owltherian
hugugugugutggyg- eiguugu
26Sxkurablossom
>25 Owltherian: whats your favorite owl?
27Sxkurablossom
im gonna guess an elf owl or something?
28Owltherian
ALL OF DEM
29Reithebraindead
ello-
30Owltherian
Ello!
32Owltherian
*cries in Viv was taken by the admin gods*
35Owltherian
Stillll- viv got takennnnn
37Owltherian
Arson_lover
39Owltherian
ADHD
40Snapped_Fingers9
but fun
42Owltherian
How da hail- they are completely different
44Kwitty.G0re
Hewo
46Kwitty.G0re
i'm bored asf rn
48Owltherian
Haiiii
50Owltherian
Nothin' much but i am planning a revolution bc my friend got banned
53Owltherian
FOR NO REASON
56Owltherian
yeah
58Owltherian
I'm not sure what they did, although i think i know who got them banned
60Owltherian
This site
62Owltherian
yeahhhhh-
64Owltherian
lol
68Owltherian
yeah ig, i was also harrassed on this site and i hope the person got banned for the 5th or so freaking time
69Just_Another_Weeb2
What's yall schedule mines is 1st block pe/health 2nd block science 3rd block social studies
4th block is english 5th is math
4th block is english 5th is math
70Jak3y
>69 Just_Another_Weeb2: 1st is English 2nd is math 3rd is gym Then lunch 4th is history 5th is science after like 4th the day ges by fast af oh yeah ad i have an Aviational class for 6th
72Owltherian
*cries in 8:48am EST and in 2nd period*
73Owltherian
HELPPPPPPP- I HAVE A QUIZ IN MATHHHHHHHHHHH
76Owltherian
*cries in not even halfway through my day*
78Owltherian
Luckyyy
80Owltherian
I got a 70% on my math quiz so i think thats pretty okay
83Jak3y
>80 Owltherian: Yey im proud
84Owltherian
:3 my head is utterly pounding though
86Owltherian
I think i may be getting a cold T^T
88Jak3y
>86 Owltherian: same i have a sore throht
89Owltherian
So do i as a nonbinary lesbian who is constantly bullied for things (Including height)
90Jak3y
>89 Owltherian: Yeah cuz i have long long curls for hair (i bleached it too) so i keep my hair in the front and well lets just say you cant tell whether im a boy or girl.... ive had guys slap my behind before its not fun lol
91Owltherian
Ive had a girl touch my waist and lets just say i was very uncomfortable
93Owltherian
Like i was on a school trip and if i yelled at them they would have had to call my mum or dad to pick me up....
95Owltherian
Yeah- we were in Washington D.C. too
99Owltherian
NASA?
101Owltherian
Ahhh, nice. We spent lets seee, maybe a week or so
104Owltherian
I'm a freshman in HS
108Owltherian
Ah, i hate Covid honestly and omg my headddd
110Owltherian
Yeah..a really bad one at that
112Owltherian
Even the sound of anything feels like a metal pike to my brain
114Owltherian
Everything hurts and my nose is runnyyyyyy
116Owltherian
*angry owl noises*
118Jak3y
>116 Owltherian: Ill make you some lemonade when you get home :D
119Owltherian
lolz
121Owltherian
Omg someone got told to sit outside for saying a bad word lol
124Owltherian
XD she said and i quote "Get out of my f*cking seat"
125Jak3y
>124 Owltherian: HAHA DAM
126Owltherian
Alsoooo do u happen to roleplay?
127Jak3y
>126 Owltherian: Ye but i havent in like half a year lol
129Owltherian
*gasp* Dayum- welll i have a few different rp's but i mostly do animal ones
130Owltherian
*gasp* ooh spill de teaaaa
132Owltherian
yessss
136Owltherian
Ooooh
137Jak3y
But Mr Brown (head of surcurity) Walked in as she was walking out and they started yelling at eachother
138Owltherian
WHATTTTT- Ooohhhhh she gonna get in troubleeeee
139Jak3y
So now there a 6'3 man Arguing with a 6'4 woman in a classroom so then it got really heated.... Like desks got pushed out the way chairs got thrown
140Owltherian
OH DAYUM-
141Jak3y
SO NOW IN THE CLASSROOM THERES A DOOR LEADING OUTSIDE AND THEY STARTED THROWIN HANDS
p.s The girl is like the badass of my school she has only lost 2 fights
p.s The girl is like the badass of my school she has only lost 2 fights
145Owltherian
WHAT?! I NEED TO KNOW MORE
150Owltherian
DAYUMMM- Is dat dude okay???
153Owltherian
Oh nurrrr- i hope he wakes up soon.
155Owltherian
Oh, but if it was with the legs it could easily knock someone out cold.
158Owltherian
I bet
165Snapped_Fingers9
>160 Jak3y: you in foster care? how is it like there?
167Owltherian
*cries in has a pounding headache*
168Jak3y
>165 Snapped_Fingers9: Pretty Good actully get 15$ every week and i got a job
170Snapped_Fingers9
but you just said you hated it there
171Owltherian
*huggos* YESSSS THEY ARE TALKING ABOUT BUMPING ME DOWN A LEVEL DUE TO HAVING D'S IN MY HONORS ENGLISH FINALLYYYYYYYY
172Jak3y
>170 Snapped_Fingers9: I hate school and yes i hate foster Sometimes but even so its still really cool here :D
173Owltherian
*Extremely happy in pain owl noises*
174Jak3y
>171 Owltherian: *Crushed from hugs but loves the hugs* YEYEYE GOOD NOW IT WONT BE AS STRESSFUL
"૮₍ ˶•⤙•˶ ₎ა
⸜(。˃ ᵕ ˂ )⸝♡
"૮₍ ˶•⤙•˶ ₎ა
⸜(。˃ ᵕ ˂ )⸝♡
175Snapped_Fingers9
>172 Jak3y: oh i see
176Owltherian
YESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS- I have 3 honors classes and i cant freaking deal with it
178Snapped_Fingers9
im guessing you replied to the wrong post
180Jak3y
>178 Snapped_Fingers9: Yeah oops 0-0
181Jak3y
>176 Owltherian: I get it almost every class im in is advanced... it sucks i wanna just like blow up my head
183Owltherian
>179 Jak3y: Uhhh- that could be both-
184Owltherian
>181 Jak3y: Like aghhhhhh- im failing like all of my honors classes
185Jak3y
>183 Owltherian: Noooooooo
187Snapped_Fingers9
do you play genshin impact jak3y?
188Jak3y
>183 Owltherian: Yeah- LOL i swear for me i hate even thinking abt girls like if think of the wrong thing the wrong time it gets me angered....but im BLUSHING I DONT GET EMOTIONS AGH
189Jak3y
>187 Snapped_Fingers9: I used too yeah i had all 4star and most 5 star and had them mostly up too lvl 70? i dont remeber
191Owltherian
>188 Jak3y: girls are hotttt thooo
192Cat_Lover1414
Este usuario ha sido eliminado por spam.
193Jak3y
>191 Owltherian: ik that but- i- ykw nvm (o/////o " )
194Jak3y
>192 Cat_Lover1414: New to this website yea
195Cat_Lover1414
Este usuario ha sido eliminado por spam.
196Jak3y
>195 Cat_Lover1414: Dangggg nice to meet an og lol
197Owltherian
*cries in wanting to bang their head into a brick wall while feeling like i already did so*
198Jak3y
>197 Owltherian: NOOOOO BAD No beating ૮₍ ˃ ⤙ ˂ ₎ა
199Cat_Lover1414
Este usuario ha sido eliminado por spam.
200Jak3y
>199 Cat_Lover1414: OHHHH Your the person that got banned last night (i think)
201Owltherian
Wolfie got banned againnnnnnn *happy owl noises*
203Cat_Lover1414
Este usuario ha sido eliminado por spam.
204Owltherian
Viv :3
205Jak3y
>203 Cat_Lover1414: Oki vivy i like that name
207Cat_Lover1414
Este usuario ha sido eliminado por spam.
208Cat_Lover1414
Este usuario ha sido eliminado por spam.
209Jak3y
>208 Cat_Lover1414: OFC I LOVE SANS I LOVE ALL THE AUS!!!!!
211Cat_Lover1414
Este usuario ha sido eliminado por spam.
212Jak3y
>211 Cat_Lover1414: RLLAHAA YEEEEE} ITS BEEN SO LONG SINCE IVE FOUND SM THT LIKE AUS
213Cat_Lover1414
Este usuario ha sido eliminado por spam.
215Owltherian
*coughs in has to do work but is prob not gonna do it*
216Cat_Lover1414
Este usuario ha sido eliminado por spam.
218Jak3y
>216 Cat_Lover1414: OOOOO SOunds cewl
219Cat_Lover1414
Este usuario ha sido eliminado por spam.
221Jak3y
>219 Cat_Lover1414: Y e s m o s t d e f a n t l y
222Cat_Lover1414
Este usuario ha sido eliminado por spam.
225Cat_Lover1414
Este usuario ha sido eliminado por spam.
227Owltherian
Like broooo why they so freaking prettyyyyyy
228Jak3y
>227 Owltherian: Thats not even it for me its the fact that most of the girls in my school are above 5'6 (im 5'6)
229Cat_Lover1414
Este usuario ha sido eliminado por spam.
231Jak3y
>229 Cat_Lover1414: Oop 0-0 im in 8th i dont even have a crush
2321hope
>53 Owltherian: its just the bots running the site, just sent a request to get the acc unbanned
234Owltherian
*cries in has a crush but im pretty sure she only likes men*
235Jak3y
awww thats sad :{ Ykw i like how its fine for women to like women but its not ok for me to like men -_-
237Cat_Lover1414
Este usuario ha sido eliminado por spam.
238Owltherian
yeah- im pretty sure the bible misinterpreted the part where it said something about gay peeps
239Jak3y
>237 Cat_Lover1414: yeahhhh sureeeeee ur lookin mighty suspishus
2411hope
>238 Owltherian: suree.....
243Owltherian
Im not allowed sadly T^T
245Owltherian
>241 1hope: They did though- i can show you
2471hope
>242 Jak3y: yes
theres a server
theres a server
248Jak3y
>244 1hope: Who?!?!
2501hope
>248 Jak3y: them
251Jak3y
>247 1hope: Ohhhh when i get me phone back ima join it
252Jak3y
>250 1hope: Oh God OH NO GET THE DEFENCES
2531hope
>252 Jak3y: they havent done anything against the tos yet so they fine
255Cat_Lover1414
Este usuario ha sido eliminado por spam.
256Jak3y
>253 1hope: good
261Cat_Lover1414
Este usuario ha sido eliminado por spam.
262Owltherian
For the last two decades, Pew Research Center has reported that one of the most enduring ethical issues across Christian traditions is sexual diversity. For many Christians, one of the most frequently first-asked questions on this topic is, “What does the Bible say about attraction to someone of the same sex?”
Although its unlikely that the biblical authors had any notion of sexual orientation (for example, the term homosexual wasn't even coined until the late 19th century) for many people of faith, the Bible is looked to for timeless guidance on what it means to honor God with our lives; and this most certainly includes our sexuality.
While the six passages that address same-sex eroticism in the ancient world are negative about the practices they mention, there is no evidence that these in any way speak to same-sex relationships of love and mutuality. To the contrary, the amount of cultural, historical and linguistic data surrounding how sexuality in the cultures of the biblical authors operated demonstrates that what was being condemned in the Bible is very different than the committed same-sex partnerships we know and see today. The stories of Sodom and Gomorrah (Genesis 19) and the Levite’s concubine (Judges 19) are about sexual violence and the Ancient Near East’s stigma toward violating male honor. The injunction that “man must not lie with man” (Leviticus 18:22, 20:13) coheres with the context of a society anxious about their health, continuing family lineages, and retaining the distinctiveness of Israel as a nation. Each time the New Testament addresses the topic in a list of vices (1 Corinthians 6:9, 1 Timothy 1:10), the argument being made is more than likely about the sexual exploitation of young men by older men, a practice called pederasty, and what we read in the Apostle Paul’s letter to the Romans is a part of a broader indictment against idolatry and excessive, self-centered lust that is driven by desire to “consume” rather than to love and to serve as outlined for Christian partnership elsewhere in the Bible. While it is likely that Jews and Christians in the 1st century had little to no awareness of a category like sexual orientation, this doesn’t mean that the biblical authors were wrong. What it does mean, at a minimum, is that continued opposition toward same-sex relationships and LGBTQ+ identities must be based on something other than these biblical texts, which brings us back to a theology of Christian marriage or partnership.
If neither sex differentiation nor gender complementarity are the basis for Christian partnership, then what is?
While the work to undo the decades-long, dominant and exclusionary interpretations of these passages is important, its emphasis over and against the affirming dimensions of Christian theology for LGBTQ+ people has stifled exploration of a deeper meaning of sexuality for everyone. From Genesis 2, to Matthew 19, to Ephesians 5, what these passages make explicit (and is echoed throughout the rest of Scripture) is something mentioned earlier: marriage is sacred for Christians because it can represent the enduring love between Christ and the Church. Christian partnership creates an opportunity to live out God’s love. While some kind of difference seems to be important in embodying this metaphor, understanding that all our differences can lead to empathy, compassion, good listening, sacrifice, and what it means to “love our neighbor as ourselves,” there is scant evidence that it is our biology or our views of gender that are the required difference. Anyone who has ever been in an intimate relationship of any kind can testify to the range of differences (and resulting conflicts) that are an inherent part of any two personalities attempting to integrate their lives. And remember, those who are not married but are not LGBTQ+, like single people or people whose spouses have passed, are embraced as Christians. The larger point here is that God’s design for Christian partnership is about reflecting the truest and sweetest love that anyone could know; that is the self-giving, ever-enduring, liberating love between God and creation made possible for us through Christ. A tall order, but nevertheless something countless LGBTQ+ individuals and couples have been living into and continue to live into today.
All things considered, it is important to remember that throughout church history, new information about people and the world have frequently led Christians to reconsider their beliefs. This need not be a reason to distrust Scripture, but rather should serve as an invitation to wrestle with the contexts of the biblical writers and our own lived experiences. As it stands today, there are millions of faithful Christians around the world who have come to recognize the work of God in and through the relationships of LGBTQ+ people (click here to see a list of denominational positions on LGBTQ+ people within Christianity). As New Testament Scholar Daniel Kirk has pointed out, Christians today would do well by the tradition of the apostles and our current witness in the world to recognize that theological abstractions aside, God has already clearly embraced LGBTQ+ people into full communion, and it is now the church’s responsibility to simply honor that reality and rejoice (Luke 15).
What Does the Bible Say About Transgender People?
For several decades, political and theological debates related to LGBTQ+ issues have centered around same-sex relationships for lesbian, gay and bisexual people. While an exploration of that topic is important, the volume of faith resources dedicated to it have often excluded reflection on the unique considerations related to gender identity. Mistakenly, some Christians have suggested that taking the Bible seriously requires people of faith to stand in opposition to the existence, health and humanity of transgender people. Consequently, gender-expansive people of all demographics and Christian traditions have been made to feel that they must choose between their faith and living a whole, healthy and authentic life. Whether you are a ministry leader, the family member of a transgender person or a trans person of faith yourself, this page seeks to serve as a brief overview of the Bible’s precedent for affirming the full inclusion of transgender, non-binary and other gender-expansive people in the full life of Christian community.
The language we use
Sometimes it can feel overwhelming to learn new terms and new concepts, especially if we see those terms change in meaning or use from one context to another. Whether we are talking about transgender issues or about faith, this seems to be true. This resource aims only to offer a starting place for a dialogue on both. For the purposes of our writing, when we use gender identity we are referring to one’s internal sense of being male, female, both or neither. When we use the phrase “sex assigned at birth,” what we mean is the sex that was assigned by a doctor at birth based on some combination of sex chromosomes, genes, gonads and internal and external genitalia, as well as physiological hormones. When we use the word transgender, we are describing a person whose gender identity is different than the sex they were assigned at birth. It is an adjective, a descriptive word, and can encompass any variety of non-binary and gender-expansive identities. For example, consider Josh, a transgender man who grew up with his parents assuming he was a girl. For as long as he could remember, he knew himself to be a boy. But he didn’t know about transgender people until he was older and could finally see himself in their stories and come out. Or consider Sam, a non-binary person who uses they/them pronouns. Sam grew up being told they were a boy but they never knew themselves to be a boy. They came out as non-binary to reflect their authentic experience with their gender identity.
When we use gender expression, we are talking about the way that a person may outwardly reflect their internal sense of gender through presentation, such as through clothing, hair, voice and body language. Sexual orientation, which describes whom a person is physically and/or emotionally attracted to, is a separate category, and doesn’t influence someone’s gender identity or gender expression. It’s important to understand that gender expression and sexual orientation are different from gender identity. In our examples above, Josh could be a transgender man who is gay, bisexual or straight. Sam could be a non-binary person who expresses their gender consistently in a more traditionally masculine or feminine way, or neither or both at the same time. If you’re looking to answer what the Bible has to say about same-sex relationships, you can find that on an additional resource page here.
When we use the term affirming, what we are referring to is the theological view that all expressions of gender are an integral part of God’s design for diversity within the created order. When we use non-affirming, we are referring to the theological view that transgender and other expressions of gender variance are either a) sinful within themselves or b) that they are morally neutral but nevertheless a kind of disorder, mental illness or other brokenness. Whether you already feel confident in your position or are searching for new possibilities, our hope is that researching, studying and wrestling with the Scriptures and questions most relevant to trans experiences are part and parcel of what it means for Christians to “love God with all of one’s heart, soul, and mind” (Deuteronomy 6:5, Matthew 22:37, Luke 10:7).
1 A part of the reason this seems to be so successful is the overwhelming number of people who say they do not have a personal close friend who is transgender. In a PRRI survey conducted in 2019, it was found that less than one-quarter (24%) of Americans report having a close friend or family member who is transgender, compared to 46% who report having a bisexual close friend or family member, and nearly seven in ten (68%) who report having a gay or lesbian close friend or family member.
2 The Human Rights Campaign’s Reporting Guide is another helpful tool developed so that reporters and media makers can begin to improve trans coverage. It provides insight for anyone seeking to use appropriate language, understand common shortcomings, and discover steps they can take to address trans communities more respectfully.
Wrestling with Scripture
Creation and the Gender Binary - Genesis 1:27; Genesis 2:18-24
When Christians think about gender, they tend to go back to the beginning. In Genesis, we find two stories about how things came to be, one of which says “So God created humankind in his image, in the image of God he created them; male and female he created them” (Genesis 1:27, NRSV). If you grew up hearing these stories and living with people who seemed to fit inside these gender boxes, the existence of transgender people might seem to fly in the face of God’s created order. However, when we look just a little closer at each of these passages we find a much more complex and beautiful world. For instance, when God creates men and women in Genesis 1, it’s after creating opposites in every other corner of creation--day and night, land and sea, flying birds and swimming fish. Humans, then, are also created in an opposite pair--male and female. But the problem with a literal reading of this text that even though Genesis 1 sets up these binaries, God’s creation exists in spectrums.
In between day and night we have dawn and dusk; between land and sea we have coral reefs and estuaries and beaches; between flying birds and swimming fish we have penguins and high jumping dolphins, not to mention that uncategorizable favorite the platypus! No one would argue that a penguin is an abomination for not fitting the categories of Genesis 1, or that an estuary isn’t pleasing to God because it’s neither land nor sea. In the same way, God gives every human a self that is unique and may not always fit neatly into a box or binary. Among cisgender people -- that is those whose gender identities align with the sex they were assigned at birth, or non-transgender people -- there is a wide variety in height, strength, hair distribution, size and shape of reproductive organs, and nearly all other physical characteristics, which makes it hard for every single person on earth to fit neatly inside one culture’s categories of man or woman. There is, too, a diversity among transgender and non-binary people when it comes to bodies, personalities, beliefs and experiences. But rather than writing Genesis 1 off as fiction that doesn’t match reality, many affirming Christians recognize that the stories set down in this chapter were never meant to catalogue all of creation (in which case, it would just be an encyclopedia), but rather to point us towards God’s power and love. Not every microbe and constellation must be named in this chapter in order to have a purpose and a blessing.
Genesis 2 gives us a different perspective on the creation story, and here a non-gendered human is created first and then later a piece of the first person, Adam, is made into the second person, Eve. Based on the order of creation in this story, some theologians argue that this passage upholds a structure called gender complementarity. Gender complementarity asserts that God created two fundamentally different genders which have strict corresponding societal roles; in short, men were created to lead and women were created to follow. We don’t have the space here to explore the rich biblical scholarship that has demonstrated the theological and pastoral need for Christian Egalitarianism, but suffice to say these views, even when held with the best intentions, have a consistent history of leading to emotional, spiritual and physical violence against anyone, regardless of their assigned sex or their gender identity or presentation, who does not completely and unwaveringly conform to gendered expectations. Alternatively, moving away from gender complementarity frees Christians up to explore other biblical alternatives for identity, community and relationship--alternatives based on the example Jesus set and called for in his teachings, rather than on gender difference.
One of the ways that Christians have historically understood the existence of suffering in the world is to attribute it to the idea that things are not now as they were originally created before the sin of Adam and Eve later in Genesis. Since the Fall, humans have experienced and caused things that are out of sync with God’s plan, and some may question whether the existence of transgender people may be a result of the Fall, rather than something that God intended from the beginning. However, it’s important to know that transgender people have existed across cultures and times -- dating back thousands of years. We also know that when it comes to the suffering that transgender and non-binary people experience, most is linked to the stress and oppression caused by other people. Studies show that when transgender people are affirmed and loved, their well-being also benefits.. With this in mind, it would be more likely that sin is at play in the oppressive and damaging ways we treat each other, and not in the very fact of someone’s existence.
3 For more on the diversity of creation, especially when it comes to assigned sex, see Evolution's Rainbow: Diversity, Gender, and Sexuality in Nature and People by Joan Roughgarden (University of California Press, 2013)
4 To read more about gender complementarity and where this understanding falls short see Point #4 on The Reformation Project’s ‘The Brief Biblical Case for LGBTQ Inclusion’ and Bible, Gender, Sexuality: Reframing the Church’s Debate on Same-Sex Relationships by James V. Brownson (Eerdmans, 2013).
5 Many studies have been done on the effect of minority stress on transgender and gender non-conforming individuals, including Expecting Rejection: Understanding the Minority Stress Experiences of Transgender and Gender-Nonconforming Individuals by Brian A. Rood, Sari L. Reisner, et al, in Transgender Health (2016)
6 See Chosen Name Use Is Linked to Reduced Depressive Symptoms, Suicidal Ideation, and Suicidal Behavior Among Transgender Youth by Stephen T. Russell, Amanda M. Pollitt, et al in Journal of Adolescent Health (2018) and Mental Health of Transgender Children Who Are Supported in Their Identities by Kristina R. Olson, Lily Durwood, et al in Pediatrics (2016) and Intervenable Factors Associated with Suicide Risk in Transgender Persons: A Respondent Driven Sampling Study in Ontario, Canada by Greta R. Bauer, Ayden I. Scheim, et al in BMC Public Health (2015) among others.
Clothing and gender expression - Deuteronomy 22:5
Deuteronomy 22:5, “A woman shall not wear a man’s apparel, nor shall a man put on a woman’s garment; for whoever does such things is abhorrent to the LORD your God,” (NRSV) is the only verse in all of Scripture that directly references gender-based notions of clothing. While in many cases transgender people are not in fact “cross-dressing” (a term that implies one is crossing their gender identity rather than confirming it), but instead are affirming and reflecting their gender identity through the clothes they wear. This verse has still served as a stumbling block for enough Christians to warrant some exploration. Both affirming and non-affirming biblical scholars have a range of views on why this prohibition was written for its original audience. Some are convinced that forbidding the Hebrew people from dressing in clothes associated with a gender different than their own was a way to be set apart from Canaanite and Syrian religion where this phenomena was a part of certain worship rituals. Other scholars believe the prohibition was more of a way to reinforce previous instructions from the Torah that forbid “mixing” (for example, not blending fabrics, planting variations of seed or eating shellfish), given the way Israel’s national purity and their maintenance of rigid categorical differences were bound together. A third perspective is that Deuteronomy 22:5 was written to keep a gender-segregated society truly segregated. This would prevent things like men and women engaging in various forms of forbidden sexual contact, women from entering the temple, men evading military service, women signing up for military service and other behaviors perceived as contrary to the boundaries between the distinct parts of God’s created order.
Beyond understanding why this verse was originally penned, a more pressing question for Christians to ask is whether or not we are supposed to follow the prohibitions present throughout all of Deuteronomy. The answer for most Christians today would be no, on account of the theological conviction that Jesus, through his life and death, has fulfilled the requirements of the laws Moses presented at Mt. Sinai in the story of Exodus and because they do not believe that maintaining the integrity of God’s creation prohibits mixing. In fact, the incarnation of God as Jesus, the mixing of the fully divine and the fully human, is often viewed as the necessary context for humanity’s salvation altogether. Christians who maintain non-affirming perspectives on transgender and non-binary people must ask themselves why it is that this command is being upheld when they believe that most, if not all, of the other directives around it have been nullified.
7 Ian Cairns, Deuteronomy: Word and Presence. (William B. Eerdmans, 1992.)
8 Patrick D. Miller, Deuteronomy: Interpretation: A Bible Commentary for Teaching and Preaching (John Knox Press, 1990)
9 Although the term ‘mixing’ to talk about Jesus can be associated with the heresy of Eutychianism (Jesus’ natures were so thoroughly combined that the result was that Jesus was not able to relate as a true human), the term used here is in keeping with the view that Jesus was truly God and truly man. Read more in ‘Constructing Hybridity and Heterogeneity: Asian American Biblical Interpretation from a Third-Generation Perspective’ by Frank M. Yamada in Ways of Being, Ways of Reading: Asian American Biblical Interpretation edited by Mary F. Foskett and Jeffrey Kah-Jin Kuan (Chalice Press, 2006)
10 Human Rights Campaign Glossary of Terms
Changing names - Genesis 32:28; Numbers 13:16; Matthew 16:17-18
Names are very important and in many cultures they are inseparable from how people connect with one another and establish meaning for their lives. While some transgender and non-binary people do not feel that affirming their gender identity requires a change in name or pronouns, many do. To this end, it feels important to lift up the way that Scripture is filled with stories of people having their name changed as well as stories of people changing the name by which they called upon God. These stories demonstrate that name change can be about proclaiming who one is to become, recognizing and confirming who one has always been or some combination of the two. In Genesis 32 we read of a fearful patriarch, Jacob, on a pilgrimage back to his family from whom he was estranged several years prior as the result of his own wrong-doing. The night before he returns, Jacob is awoken by an attacker, a man whom he wrestles until daybreak leaving him with a displaced hip, a new name and a blessing. Through the violent encounter Jacob is told he will now be called Israel, because he had “struggled with God and with humans and had overcome” (Gen 32:28, NIV). While the name Israel is interpreted differently from scholar to scholar, for the most part, it seems to confirm the longer character arc of Jacob, and perhaps the nation of Israel as a metaphor for a community that has indeed long struggled with God and yet persevered.
In Genesis 16 Hagar, the slave of Abram and Sarai, runs away after severe mistreatment and in the wilderness encounters an angel of God. The angel offers encouraging words and consequently Hagar changes God’s name to El-roi, meaning “one who sees.” This does not shift God’s identity so much as it confirms something poignant about God’s character that Hagar had not fully recognized before. Immediately following this story, we see in Genesis 17 a reaffirmation of the promises God made previously to Abram and Sarai. In this passage, God changes Abram’s name to Abraham, which means “father of many nations” and the name of Sarai to Sarah, possibly meaning “princess of many.”
In Numbers 13 we read the story of Moses changing the name of Hoshea, son of Nun, to Joshua, and from there becoming the second-in-command to Moses. Similarly, Matthew 16 describes the interaction between Jesus and Simon where his name is changed to Peter, as a signal that he is to be “the rock” and foundation of the church. The Bible establishes a precedent that name changes can be either an uncovering of who God has always seen a person to be, or as the recognition of a new identity and a new beginning. These too are important principles at play for many transgender and non-binary people in being able to affirm their gender identities with themselves, with their communities and ultimately with God.
Eunuchs as an example of gender diversity - Deuteronomy 23:1; Isaiah 56:1-8; Matthew 19:12; Acts 8:26-40
The word “transgender” is relatively new, but it speaks to a host of age-old experiences. If you got in a time machine and interviewed people in the Bible, you wouldn’t find anyone who would use this word, because it didn’t exist, but you’d still find transgender and non-binary people. Some trans biblical scholars today are especially interested in the experiences of people in scripture referred to as “eunuchs.”
Typically, eunuchs were people who were assigned male at birth who had their reproductive organs changed or removed prior to puberty, but the word “eunuch” in the ancient world would also sometimes be used for those who we would now call intersex. Trans scholars today aren’t interested in these individuals because they believe that eunuchs identified as transgender, but rather because some of the things the eunuchs in scripture experienced are similar to what trans people -- and intersex people -- experience today, particularly in terms of discrimination, oppression and dehumanization.
In Deuteronomy 23:1 a law forbids people assigned male at birth who had their reproductive organs crushed or cut off from being part of the community of Israel. This meant that there were probably relatively few eunuchs in Israelite communities for many years, and they’re mentioned rarely. However, once the Israelites were captured by Babylon and Persia, two cultures in which castration was more common, we begin to see more stories concerning eunuchs and their position in society. We see that eunuchs are allowed to move back and forth between men’s and women’s spaces, that they take on tasks and roles related to both genders, and because they were either intersex or physically changed before puberty they often looked different from cisgender men and women. This was normal in Babylonian and Persian society, but still looked down on by the Isrealites.
Once the people of Israel are freed from captivity, several prophets, including Isaiah, guide them in the rebuilding of their homeland. In Isaiah 56:1-8 God speaks through Isaiah and says that even though Deuteronomy 23 outlawed the participation of eunuchs in Israelite society, in the new Israel they will have a special place--God says, “I will give, in my house and within my walls, a monument and a name better than sons and daughters; I will give them an everlasting name that shall not be cut off” (Isaiah 56:5, NRSV). This wide welcome would have been a relief for the eunuchs, but warring theological factions meant that as far as we know, this prophecy was never fulfilled.
Many years later, Jesus mentions eunuchs in Matthew 19:12, where he notes that there are many kinds of eunuchs, including “eunuchs who have been so from birth,” “eunuchs who have been made eunuchs by others,” and “eunuchs who have made themselves eunuchs for the sake of the kingdom of heaven” (NRSV). While the first group might include intersex people, and the second group people who were castrated by force, Christians have been arguing for centuries about who might be included in that third category. Regardless of whom he was referencing, what we do know is that in this moment, Jesus first of all does not denigrate eunuchs like others in his society may have done, and beyond that he actually lifts eunuchs up as a positive example. The fact that Jesus positively mentions people who are gender-expansive in his own time and place gives hope to many gender-expansive people today.
Finally, we see another important eunuch in Acts 8:26-40 who travels all the way from Ethiopia hoping to worship in the temple in Jerusalem, and who meets Philip, one of Jesus’ followers, on the way home. Up to that point, we don’t have a record of eunuchs becoming part of the early Christian church, but in this story in Acts we hear about this Ethiopian eunuch who, after hearing about Jesus, asks Philip “What is to prevent me from being baptized?” (Acts 8:36, NRSV). While Philip could have said that there was no precedent for this situation--that the Ethiopian’s ethnicity as a non-Israelite or his identity as a eunuch might indeed prevent him--instead, Philip baptizes him with no questions asked and no strings attached. This story of a gender-expansive person of color welcomed as one of the first Christian converts is a powerful part of our spiritual history.
11 There’s quite a lot of writing from trans people on this subject, but for an overview see Towards a Transgender Theology: Que(e)rying the Eunuchs by Lewis Reay in Trans/Formations by Marcella Althaus-Reid and Lisa Isherwood (SCM Press, 2009). Additionally, for a perspective from transgender theologians who don’t find eunuchs to be a helpful point of connection, see chapter 5, “What Does the Bible Say” in Transfaith: A Transgender Pastoral Resource by Chris Dowd and Christina Beardsley (Darton Longman & Todd Ltd, 2018).
12 For more on intersex people in scripture, and especially connections to the word “eunuch,” see Sex Difference in Christian Theology: Male, Female, and Intersex in the Image of God by Megan K. DeFranza (Eerdmans, 2015).
13 Violence Against the Transgender and Gender Non-Conforming Community in 2020. (HRC 2020)
Being wonderfully made - Psalm 139:13-14
Psalm 139:13-14’s reference to “being wonderfully made” in the “womb,” is frequently referenced within non-affirming theologies to support the idea that being transgender or non-binary and pursuing medically necessary health care is a rejection of God as the designer of life. But that is a severely limiting interpretation, with implications well beyond transgender experiences. Psalm 139 implies that we are all created with love and intention and that every part of us was divinely formed with dignity --both our bodies and our inner knowledge of self. There is no textual reason to believe this excludes our gender identities or gender expressions. While it is true that physical transformation can be rooted in shame, unrealistic beauty standards and body-negativity generally, for many people it can also stem from a position of love, care and stewardship for their body. Transgender and non-binary people pursue physical change, not as an act of revulsion, but as an expression of being committed to integrity in body and spirit. They are acting on the conviction that being “fearfully and wonderfully made” means that peace and wholeness is actually what God wants for us and for the world, whatever that journey looks like to each person.
Often times, transgender people know God through their transgender journeys. Trans experiences can be a rich source through which God speaks different words both to that person and to the people around them; a message that God loves diversity and variation; a message that God invites people into collaboration and co-creating how we will move in and shape the world around us; a message that sometimes knowledge about who we are and who God made us to be can come in different stages and evolve over time.
Gender in Christian community - Galatians 3:28
One of the most difficult things human beings have had to learn how to do is to work together despite our differences, and that’s no less true in the church. There are times when we emphasize the things that we share, and times when we have to emphasize our different gifts and talents even when they seem to put us at odds. We see this tension play out in many of the Apostle Paul’s letters to the early Christian churches, and in his letter to the Galatians he toes this line again when he says, “There is no longer Jew or Greek, there is no longer slave or free, there is no longer male and female; for all of you are one in Christ Jesus” (Galatians 3:28, NRSV). While on the surface this verse may suggest that we ignore or even try to get rid of our differences, it’s also clear from the rest of Paul’s letters that he took these differences seriously during his ministry. He probably was not suggesting that a person ceased to be male or female after baptism, and yet perhaps, when we die and rise again with Christ, we might be made free from the cultural power dynamics that cause one person to oppress another based on race, ethnicity, class, ability, gender or any other difference we may have. Instead, rather than trying to destroy or ignore a facet of humanity that makes us all different, we might consider dissolving the harmful power dynamics that tear us apart. This balance between sameness and difference, between the individual and the communal, is necessary for life together in Christ.
But what if these interpretations are wrong?
The answer to this question will be different depending on the tradition of the person asking. For example, for some Christians, affirming or not affirming transgender and non-binary people is connected to salvation and eternity. For other Christians, the afterlife isn’t their main concern, but instead their focus is determining what it means for Christians to contribute to human flourishing and to the moral integrity of the church. Whatever is at stake for the person asking, it is important to note the role of humility, grace and having a consistent standard to apply in discerning what is true of God. We read in Paul’s letter to the Corinthians that until Christ returns we are bound to see truth in a way that is incomplete, a mere reflection, “as in a mirror, dimly” (1 Corinthians 13:12, NRSV). The Bible calls its interpreters to the awareness that even if ultimate truth about any subject isn’t always in our grasp, we can still remain committed to the task of trying to find it.
As we wrestle, though, we can find solace in knowing that our salvation is not based on our ability to read God’s mind, or our ability to be absolutely perfect and hold all the right views--we are saved by grace through faith alone (Ephesians 2:8, NRSV). Additionally, for many Christians, the metric Jesus provided in the Gospel of Matthew about good fruit and bad fruit is one of the most important tools for interpretation: “...Every good tree bears good fruit, but a bad tree bears bad fruit. A good tree cannot bear bad fruit, nor can a bad tree bear good fruit” (Matthew 7:17-18, NRSV). A quick survey of the destructive fruit that has come from non-affirming teaching on transgender communities demonstrates the need to explore what other theologies might have to say. Conversely, the outcome of affirming theologies on gender identity lead to words and actions that are reconciliatory, restorative and profoundly “good news” -- not just for individuals, but families, churches and entire communities.
Conclusion
If you are new to this conversation, it’s normal to feel overwhelmed, or fearful that other people will accuse you of affirming transgender and non-binary people merely because it seems politically correct or trendy. However, even though it is true that there has been an increase in transgender and non-binary visibility in media, our society has never seen as many trans-exclusionary bills in state legislatures, public faith statements made against transgender people in churches or higher rates of recorded crimes and violence committed against transgender people. Having the biblical and theological precedent demonstrated throughout this writing doesn’t guarantee anyone protection from continued discrimination. It is always a profound act of courage to come out to yourself and to your community. Similarly, for the friends and family of transgender and non-binary people, to publicly express your love and support in many contexts can be an act of critical solidarity.
In the midst of fear, stress or confusion, it’s important to remember that we are invited to pause, breathe and simply observe the work God is already doing. The experiences of gender diversity can be found in nearly every culture throughout recorded human history. Traditionally gender non-conforming people were given communal roles as spiritual leaders, healers, conflict mediators and cultural conduits.
While not all of these experiences map perfectly on to contemporary trans experiences, what we do see similarly today are countless examples of transgender and non-binary people across denominations operating in specialized roles within the church whether formally recognized or not. Transgender and non-binary people are actively preaching, teaching, leading, pastoring and offering their time, energy and various gifts for ministry and service. What this tells us is that the real issue here is not whether a person can be transgender and Christian, but whether the church will acknowledge and empower those whom God is already working through to enrich the whole life of the body of Christ. As we all approach this topic with compassion, humility and courage, we may call to mind the words of Gamaliel, a teacher who defended the persecuted apostles of the early church: “...If this plan or this undertaking is of human origin, it will fail; but if it is of God, you will not be able to overthrow them—in that case you may even be found fighting against God!” (Acts 5:34-39, NRSV).
Although its unlikely that the biblical authors had any notion of sexual orientation (for example, the term homosexual wasn't even coined until the late 19th century) for many people of faith, the Bible is looked to for timeless guidance on what it means to honor God with our lives; and this most certainly includes our sexuality.
While the six passages that address same-sex eroticism in the ancient world are negative about the practices they mention, there is no evidence that these in any way speak to same-sex relationships of love and mutuality. To the contrary, the amount of cultural, historical and linguistic data surrounding how sexuality in the cultures of the biblical authors operated demonstrates that what was being condemned in the Bible is very different than the committed same-sex partnerships we know and see today. The stories of Sodom and Gomorrah (Genesis 19) and the Levite’s concubine (Judges 19) are about sexual violence and the Ancient Near East’s stigma toward violating male honor. The injunction that “man must not lie with man” (Leviticus 18:22, 20:13) coheres with the context of a society anxious about their health, continuing family lineages, and retaining the distinctiveness of Israel as a nation. Each time the New Testament addresses the topic in a list of vices (1 Corinthians 6:9, 1 Timothy 1:10), the argument being made is more than likely about the sexual exploitation of young men by older men, a practice called pederasty, and what we read in the Apostle Paul’s letter to the Romans is a part of a broader indictment against idolatry and excessive, self-centered lust that is driven by desire to “consume” rather than to love and to serve as outlined for Christian partnership elsewhere in the Bible. While it is likely that Jews and Christians in the 1st century had little to no awareness of a category like sexual orientation, this doesn’t mean that the biblical authors were wrong. What it does mean, at a minimum, is that continued opposition toward same-sex relationships and LGBTQ+ identities must be based on something other than these biblical texts, which brings us back to a theology of Christian marriage or partnership.
If neither sex differentiation nor gender complementarity are the basis for Christian partnership, then what is?
While the work to undo the decades-long, dominant and exclusionary interpretations of these passages is important, its emphasis over and against the affirming dimensions of Christian theology for LGBTQ+ people has stifled exploration of a deeper meaning of sexuality for everyone. From Genesis 2, to Matthew 19, to Ephesians 5, what these passages make explicit (and is echoed throughout the rest of Scripture) is something mentioned earlier: marriage is sacred for Christians because it can represent the enduring love between Christ and the Church. Christian partnership creates an opportunity to live out God’s love. While some kind of difference seems to be important in embodying this metaphor, understanding that all our differences can lead to empathy, compassion, good listening, sacrifice, and what it means to “love our neighbor as ourselves,” there is scant evidence that it is our biology or our views of gender that are the required difference. Anyone who has ever been in an intimate relationship of any kind can testify to the range of differences (and resulting conflicts) that are an inherent part of any two personalities attempting to integrate their lives. And remember, those who are not married but are not LGBTQ+, like single people or people whose spouses have passed, are embraced as Christians. The larger point here is that God’s design for Christian partnership is about reflecting the truest and sweetest love that anyone could know; that is the self-giving, ever-enduring, liberating love between God and creation made possible for us through Christ. A tall order, but nevertheless something countless LGBTQ+ individuals and couples have been living into and continue to live into today.
All things considered, it is important to remember that throughout church history, new information about people and the world have frequently led Christians to reconsider their beliefs. This need not be a reason to distrust Scripture, but rather should serve as an invitation to wrestle with the contexts of the biblical writers and our own lived experiences. As it stands today, there are millions of faithful Christians around the world who have come to recognize the work of God in and through the relationships of LGBTQ+ people (click here to see a list of denominational positions on LGBTQ+ people within Christianity). As New Testament Scholar Daniel Kirk has pointed out, Christians today would do well by the tradition of the apostles and our current witness in the world to recognize that theological abstractions aside, God has already clearly embraced LGBTQ+ people into full communion, and it is now the church’s responsibility to simply honor that reality and rejoice (Luke 15).
What Does the Bible Say About Transgender People?
For several decades, political and theological debates related to LGBTQ+ issues have centered around same-sex relationships for lesbian, gay and bisexual people. While an exploration of that topic is important, the volume of faith resources dedicated to it have often excluded reflection on the unique considerations related to gender identity. Mistakenly, some Christians have suggested that taking the Bible seriously requires people of faith to stand in opposition to the existence, health and humanity of transgender people. Consequently, gender-expansive people of all demographics and Christian traditions have been made to feel that they must choose between their faith and living a whole, healthy and authentic life. Whether you are a ministry leader, the family member of a transgender person or a trans person of faith yourself, this page seeks to serve as a brief overview of the Bible’s precedent for affirming the full inclusion of transgender, non-binary and other gender-expansive people in the full life of Christian community.
The language we use
Sometimes it can feel overwhelming to learn new terms and new concepts, especially if we see those terms change in meaning or use from one context to another. Whether we are talking about transgender issues or about faith, this seems to be true. This resource aims only to offer a starting place for a dialogue on both. For the purposes of our writing, when we use gender identity we are referring to one’s internal sense of being male, female, both or neither. When we use the phrase “sex assigned at birth,” what we mean is the sex that was assigned by a doctor at birth based on some combination of sex chromosomes, genes, gonads and internal and external genitalia, as well as physiological hormones. When we use the word transgender, we are describing a person whose gender identity is different than the sex they were assigned at birth. It is an adjective, a descriptive word, and can encompass any variety of non-binary and gender-expansive identities. For example, consider Josh, a transgender man who grew up with his parents assuming he was a girl. For as long as he could remember, he knew himself to be a boy. But he didn’t know about transgender people until he was older and could finally see himself in their stories and come out. Or consider Sam, a non-binary person who uses they/them pronouns. Sam grew up being told they were a boy but they never knew themselves to be a boy. They came out as non-binary to reflect their authentic experience with their gender identity.
When we use gender expression, we are talking about the way that a person may outwardly reflect their internal sense of gender through presentation, such as through clothing, hair, voice and body language. Sexual orientation, which describes whom a person is physically and/or emotionally attracted to, is a separate category, and doesn’t influence someone’s gender identity or gender expression. It’s important to understand that gender expression and sexual orientation are different from gender identity. In our examples above, Josh could be a transgender man who is gay, bisexual or straight. Sam could be a non-binary person who expresses their gender consistently in a more traditionally masculine or feminine way, or neither or both at the same time. If you’re looking to answer what the Bible has to say about same-sex relationships, you can find that on an additional resource page here.
When we use the term affirming, what we are referring to is the theological view that all expressions of gender are an integral part of God’s design for diversity within the created order. When we use non-affirming, we are referring to the theological view that transgender and other expressions of gender variance are either a) sinful within themselves or b) that they are morally neutral but nevertheless a kind of disorder, mental illness or other brokenness. Whether you already feel confident in your position or are searching for new possibilities, our hope is that researching, studying and wrestling with the Scriptures and questions most relevant to trans experiences are part and parcel of what it means for Christians to “love God with all of one’s heart, soul, and mind” (Deuteronomy 6:5, Matthew 22:37, Luke 10:7).
1 A part of the reason this seems to be so successful is the overwhelming number of people who say they do not have a personal close friend who is transgender. In a PRRI survey conducted in 2019, it was found that less than one-quarter (24%) of Americans report having a close friend or family member who is transgender, compared to 46% who report having a bisexual close friend or family member, and nearly seven in ten (68%) who report having a gay or lesbian close friend or family member.
2 The Human Rights Campaign’s Reporting Guide is another helpful tool developed so that reporters and media makers can begin to improve trans coverage. It provides insight for anyone seeking to use appropriate language, understand common shortcomings, and discover steps they can take to address trans communities more respectfully.
Wrestling with Scripture
Creation and the Gender Binary - Genesis 1:27; Genesis 2:18-24
When Christians think about gender, they tend to go back to the beginning. In Genesis, we find two stories about how things came to be, one of which says “So God created humankind in his image, in the image of God he created them; male and female he created them” (Genesis 1:27, NRSV). If you grew up hearing these stories and living with people who seemed to fit inside these gender boxes, the existence of transgender people might seem to fly in the face of God’s created order. However, when we look just a little closer at each of these passages we find a much more complex and beautiful world. For instance, when God creates men and women in Genesis 1, it’s after creating opposites in every other corner of creation--day and night, land and sea, flying birds and swimming fish. Humans, then, are also created in an opposite pair--male and female. But the problem with a literal reading of this text that even though Genesis 1 sets up these binaries, God’s creation exists in spectrums.
In between day and night we have dawn and dusk; between land and sea we have coral reefs and estuaries and beaches; between flying birds and swimming fish we have penguins and high jumping dolphins, not to mention that uncategorizable favorite the platypus! No one would argue that a penguin is an abomination for not fitting the categories of Genesis 1, or that an estuary isn’t pleasing to God because it’s neither land nor sea. In the same way, God gives every human a self that is unique and may not always fit neatly into a box or binary. Among cisgender people -- that is those whose gender identities align with the sex they were assigned at birth, or non-transgender people -- there is a wide variety in height, strength, hair distribution, size and shape of reproductive organs, and nearly all other physical characteristics, which makes it hard for every single person on earth to fit neatly inside one culture’s categories of man or woman. There is, too, a diversity among transgender and non-binary people when it comes to bodies, personalities, beliefs and experiences. But rather than writing Genesis 1 off as fiction that doesn’t match reality, many affirming Christians recognize that the stories set down in this chapter were never meant to catalogue all of creation (in which case, it would just be an encyclopedia), but rather to point us towards God’s power and love. Not every microbe and constellation must be named in this chapter in order to have a purpose and a blessing.
Genesis 2 gives us a different perspective on the creation story, and here a non-gendered human is created first and then later a piece of the first person, Adam, is made into the second person, Eve. Based on the order of creation in this story, some theologians argue that this passage upholds a structure called gender complementarity. Gender complementarity asserts that God created two fundamentally different genders which have strict corresponding societal roles; in short, men were created to lead and women were created to follow. We don’t have the space here to explore the rich biblical scholarship that has demonstrated the theological and pastoral need for Christian Egalitarianism, but suffice to say these views, even when held with the best intentions, have a consistent history of leading to emotional, spiritual and physical violence against anyone, regardless of their assigned sex or their gender identity or presentation, who does not completely and unwaveringly conform to gendered expectations. Alternatively, moving away from gender complementarity frees Christians up to explore other biblical alternatives for identity, community and relationship--alternatives based on the example Jesus set and called for in his teachings, rather than on gender difference.
One of the ways that Christians have historically understood the existence of suffering in the world is to attribute it to the idea that things are not now as they were originally created before the sin of Adam and Eve later in Genesis. Since the Fall, humans have experienced and caused things that are out of sync with God’s plan, and some may question whether the existence of transgender people may be a result of the Fall, rather than something that God intended from the beginning. However, it’s important to know that transgender people have existed across cultures and times -- dating back thousands of years. We also know that when it comes to the suffering that transgender and non-binary people experience, most is linked to the stress and oppression caused by other people. Studies show that when transgender people are affirmed and loved, their well-being also benefits.. With this in mind, it would be more likely that sin is at play in the oppressive and damaging ways we treat each other, and not in the very fact of someone’s existence.
3 For more on the diversity of creation, especially when it comes to assigned sex, see Evolution's Rainbow: Diversity, Gender, and Sexuality in Nature and People by Joan Roughgarden (University of California Press, 2013)
4 To read more about gender complementarity and where this understanding falls short see Point #4 on The Reformation Project’s ‘The Brief Biblical Case for LGBTQ Inclusion’ and Bible, Gender, Sexuality: Reframing the Church’s Debate on Same-Sex Relationships by James V. Brownson (Eerdmans, 2013).
5 Many studies have been done on the effect of minority stress on transgender and gender non-conforming individuals, including Expecting Rejection: Understanding the Minority Stress Experiences of Transgender and Gender-Nonconforming Individuals by Brian A. Rood, Sari L. Reisner, et al, in Transgender Health (2016)
6 See Chosen Name Use Is Linked to Reduced Depressive Symptoms, Suicidal Ideation, and Suicidal Behavior Among Transgender Youth by Stephen T. Russell, Amanda M. Pollitt, et al in Journal of Adolescent Health (2018) and Mental Health of Transgender Children Who Are Supported in Their Identities by Kristina R. Olson, Lily Durwood, et al in Pediatrics (2016) and Intervenable Factors Associated with Suicide Risk in Transgender Persons: A Respondent Driven Sampling Study in Ontario, Canada by Greta R. Bauer, Ayden I. Scheim, et al in BMC Public Health (2015) among others.
Clothing and gender expression - Deuteronomy 22:5
Deuteronomy 22:5, “A woman shall not wear a man’s apparel, nor shall a man put on a woman’s garment; for whoever does such things is abhorrent to the LORD your God,” (NRSV) is the only verse in all of Scripture that directly references gender-based notions of clothing. While in many cases transgender people are not in fact “cross-dressing” (a term that implies one is crossing their gender identity rather than confirming it), but instead are affirming and reflecting their gender identity through the clothes they wear. This verse has still served as a stumbling block for enough Christians to warrant some exploration. Both affirming and non-affirming biblical scholars have a range of views on why this prohibition was written for its original audience. Some are convinced that forbidding the Hebrew people from dressing in clothes associated with a gender different than their own was a way to be set apart from Canaanite and Syrian religion where this phenomena was a part of certain worship rituals. Other scholars believe the prohibition was more of a way to reinforce previous instructions from the Torah that forbid “mixing” (for example, not blending fabrics, planting variations of seed or eating shellfish), given the way Israel’s national purity and their maintenance of rigid categorical differences were bound together. A third perspective is that Deuteronomy 22:5 was written to keep a gender-segregated society truly segregated. This would prevent things like men and women engaging in various forms of forbidden sexual contact, women from entering the temple, men evading military service, women signing up for military service and other behaviors perceived as contrary to the boundaries between the distinct parts of God’s created order.
Beyond understanding why this verse was originally penned, a more pressing question for Christians to ask is whether or not we are supposed to follow the prohibitions present throughout all of Deuteronomy. The answer for most Christians today would be no, on account of the theological conviction that Jesus, through his life and death, has fulfilled the requirements of the laws Moses presented at Mt. Sinai in the story of Exodus and because they do not believe that maintaining the integrity of God’s creation prohibits mixing. In fact, the incarnation of God as Jesus, the mixing of the fully divine and the fully human, is often viewed as the necessary context for humanity’s salvation altogether. Christians who maintain non-affirming perspectives on transgender and non-binary people must ask themselves why it is that this command is being upheld when they believe that most, if not all, of the other directives around it have been nullified.
7 Ian Cairns, Deuteronomy: Word and Presence. (William B. Eerdmans, 1992.)
8 Patrick D. Miller, Deuteronomy: Interpretation: A Bible Commentary for Teaching and Preaching (John Knox Press, 1990)
9 Although the term ‘mixing’ to talk about Jesus can be associated with the heresy of Eutychianism (Jesus’ natures were so thoroughly combined that the result was that Jesus was not able to relate as a true human), the term used here is in keeping with the view that Jesus was truly God and truly man. Read more in ‘Constructing Hybridity and Heterogeneity: Asian American Biblical Interpretation from a Third-Generation Perspective’ by Frank M. Yamada in Ways of Being, Ways of Reading: Asian American Biblical Interpretation edited by Mary F. Foskett and Jeffrey Kah-Jin Kuan (Chalice Press, 2006)
10 Human Rights Campaign Glossary of Terms
Changing names - Genesis 32:28; Numbers 13:16; Matthew 16:17-18
Names are very important and in many cultures they are inseparable from how people connect with one another and establish meaning for their lives. While some transgender and non-binary people do not feel that affirming their gender identity requires a change in name or pronouns, many do. To this end, it feels important to lift up the way that Scripture is filled with stories of people having their name changed as well as stories of people changing the name by which they called upon God. These stories demonstrate that name change can be about proclaiming who one is to become, recognizing and confirming who one has always been or some combination of the two. In Genesis 32 we read of a fearful patriarch, Jacob, on a pilgrimage back to his family from whom he was estranged several years prior as the result of his own wrong-doing. The night before he returns, Jacob is awoken by an attacker, a man whom he wrestles until daybreak leaving him with a displaced hip, a new name and a blessing. Through the violent encounter Jacob is told he will now be called Israel, because he had “struggled with God and with humans and had overcome” (Gen 32:28, NIV). While the name Israel is interpreted differently from scholar to scholar, for the most part, it seems to confirm the longer character arc of Jacob, and perhaps the nation of Israel as a metaphor for a community that has indeed long struggled with God and yet persevered.
In Genesis 16 Hagar, the slave of Abram and Sarai, runs away after severe mistreatment and in the wilderness encounters an angel of God. The angel offers encouraging words and consequently Hagar changes God’s name to El-roi, meaning “one who sees.” This does not shift God’s identity so much as it confirms something poignant about God’s character that Hagar had not fully recognized before. Immediately following this story, we see in Genesis 17 a reaffirmation of the promises God made previously to Abram and Sarai. In this passage, God changes Abram’s name to Abraham, which means “father of many nations” and the name of Sarai to Sarah, possibly meaning “princess of many.”
In Numbers 13 we read the story of Moses changing the name of Hoshea, son of Nun, to Joshua, and from there becoming the second-in-command to Moses. Similarly, Matthew 16 describes the interaction between Jesus and Simon where his name is changed to Peter, as a signal that he is to be “the rock” and foundation of the church. The Bible establishes a precedent that name changes can be either an uncovering of who God has always seen a person to be, or as the recognition of a new identity and a new beginning. These too are important principles at play for many transgender and non-binary people in being able to affirm their gender identities with themselves, with their communities and ultimately with God.
Eunuchs as an example of gender diversity - Deuteronomy 23:1; Isaiah 56:1-8; Matthew 19:12; Acts 8:26-40
The word “transgender” is relatively new, but it speaks to a host of age-old experiences. If you got in a time machine and interviewed people in the Bible, you wouldn’t find anyone who would use this word, because it didn’t exist, but you’d still find transgender and non-binary people. Some trans biblical scholars today are especially interested in the experiences of people in scripture referred to as “eunuchs.”
Typically, eunuchs were people who were assigned male at birth who had their reproductive organs changed or removed prior to puberty, but the word “eunuch” in the ancient world would also sometimes be used for those who we would now call intersex. Trans scholars today aren’t interested in these individuals because they believe that eunuchs identified as transgender, but rather because some of the things the eunuchs in scripture experienced are similar to what trans people -- and intersex people -- experience today, particularly in terms of discrimination, oppression and dehumanization.
In Deuteronomy 23:1 a law forbids people assigned male at birth who had their reproductive organs crushed or cut off from being part of the community of Israel. This meant that there were probably relatively few eunuchs in Israelite communities for many years, and they’re mentioned rarely. However, once the Israelites were captured by Babylon and Persia, two cultures in which castration was more common, we begin to see more stories concerning eunuchs and their position in society. We see that eunuchs are allowed to move back and forth between men’s and women’s spaces, that they take on tasks and roles related to both genders, and because they were either intersex or physically changed before puberty they often looked different from cisgender men and women. This was normal in Babylonian and Persian society, but still looked down on by the Isrealites.
Once the people of Israel are freed from captivity, several prophets, including Isaiah, guide them in the rebuilding of their homeland. In Isaiah 56:1-8 God speaks through Isaiah and says that even though Deuteronomy 23 outlawed the participation of eunuchs in Israelite society, in the new Israel they will have a special place--God says, “I will give, in my house and within my walls, a monument and a name better than sons and daughters; I will give them an everlasting name that shall not be cut off” (Isaiah 56:5, NRSV). This wide welcome would have been a relief for the eunuchs, but warring theological factions meant that as far as we know, this prophecy was never fulfilled.
Many years later, Jesus mentions eunuchs in Matthew 19:12, where he notes that there are many kinds of eunuchs, including “eunuchs who have been so from birth,” “eunuchs who have been made eunuchs by others,” and “eunuchs who have made themselves eunuchs for the sake of the kingdom of heaven” (NRSV). While the first group might include intersex people, and the second group people who were castrated by force, Christians have been arguing for centuries about who might be included in that third category. Regardless of whom he was referencing, what we do know is that in this moment, Jesus first of all does not denigrate eunuchs like others in his society may have done, and beyond that he actually lifts eunuchs up as a positive example. The fact that Jesus positively mentions people who are gender-expansive in his own time and place gives hope to many gender-expansive people today.
Finally, we see another important eunuch in Acts 8:26-40 who travels all the way from Ethiopia hoping to worship in the temple in Jerusalem, and who meets Philip, one of Jesus’ followers, on the way home. Up to that point, we don’t have a record of eunuchs becoming part of the early Christian church, but in this story in Acts we hear about this Ethiopian eunuch who, after hearing about Jesus, asks Philip “What is to prevent me from being baptized?” (Acts 8:36, NRSV). While Philip could have said that there was no precedent for this situation--that the Ethiopian’s ethnicity as a non-Israelite or his identity as a eunuch might indeed prevent him--instead, Philip baptizes him with no questions asked and no strings attached. This story of a gender-expansive person of color welcomed as one of the first Christian converts is a powerful part of our spiritual history.
11 There’s quite a lot of writing from trans people on this subject, but for an overview see Towards a Transgender Theology: Que(e)rying the Eunuchs by Lewis Reay in Trans/Formations by Marcella Althaus-Reid and Lisa Isherwood (SCM Press, 2009). Additionally, for a perspective from transgender theologians who don’t find eunuchs to be a helpful point of connection, see chapter 5, “What Does the Bible Say” in Transfaith: A Transgender Pastoral Resource by Chris Dowd and Christina Beardsley (Darton Longman & Todd Ltd, 2018).
12 For more on intersex people in scripture, and especially connections to the word “eunuch,” see Sex Difference in Christian Theology: Male, Female, and Intersex in the Image of God by Megan K. DeFranza (Eerdmans, 2015).
13 Violence Against the Transgender and Gender Non-Conforming Community in 2020. (HRC 2020)
Being wonderfully made - Psalm 139:13-14
Psalm 139:13-14’s reference to “being wonderfully made” in the “womb,” is frequently referenced within non-affirming theologies to support the idea that being transgender or non-binary and pursuing medically necessary health care is a rejection of God as the designer of life. But that is a severely limiting interpretation, with implications well beyond transgender experiences. Psalm 139 implies that we are all created with love and intention and that every part of us was divinely formed with dignity --both our bodies and our inner knowledge of self. There is no textual reason to believe this excludes our gender identities or gender expressions. While it is true that physical transformation can be rooted in shame, unrealistic beauty standards and body-negativity generally, for many people it can also stem from a position of love, care and stewardship for their body. Transgender and non-binary people pursue physical change, not as an act of revulsion, but as an expression of being committed to integrity in body and spirit. They are acting on the conviction that being “fearfully and wonderfully made” means that peace and wholeness is actually what God wants for us and for the world, whatever that journey looks like to each person.
Often times, transgender people know God through their transgender journeys. Trans experiences can be a rich source through which God speaks different words both to that person and to the people around them; a message that God loves diversity and variation; a message that God invites people into collaboration and co-creating how we will move in and shape the world around us; a message that sometimes knowledge about who we are and who God made us to be can come in different stages and evolve over time.
Gender in Christian community - Galatians 3:28
One of the most difficult things human beings have had to learn how to do is to work together despite our differences, and that’s no less true in the church. There are times when we emphasize the things that we share, and times when we have to emphasize our different gifts and talents even when they seem to put us at odds. We see this tension play out in many of the Apostle Paul’s letters to the early Christian churches, and in his letter to the Galatians he toes this line again when he says, “There is no longer Jew or Greek, there is no longer slave or free, there is no longer male and female; for all of you are one in Christ Jesus” (Galatians 3:28, NRSV). While on the surface this verse may suggest that we ignore or even try to get rid of our differences, it’s also clear from the rest of Paul’s letters that he took these differences seriously during his ministry. He probably was not suggesting that a person ceased to be male or female after baptism, and yet perhaps, when we die and rise again with Christ, we might be made free from the cultural power dynamics that cause one person to oppress another based on race, ethnicity, class, ability, gender or any other difference we may have. Instead, rather than trying to destroy or ignore a facet of humanity that makes us all different, we might consider dissolving the harmful power dynamics that tear us apart. This balance between sameness and difference, between the individual and the communal, is necessary for life together in Christ.
But what if these interpretations are wrong?
The answer to this question will be different depending on the tradition of the person asking. For example, for some Christians, affirming or not affirming transgender and non-binary people is connected to salvation and eternity. For other Christians, the afterlife isn’t their main concern, but instead their focus is determining what it means for Christians to contribute to human flourishing and to the moral integrity of the church. Whatever is at stake for the person asking, it is important to note the role of humility, grace and having a consistent standard to apply in discerning what is true of God. We read in Paul’s letter to the Corinthians that until Christ returns we are bound to see truth in a way that is incomplete, a mere reflection, “as in a mirror, dimly” (1 Corinthians 13:12, NRSV). The Bible calls its interpreters to the awareness that even if ultimate truth about any subject isn’t always in our grasp, we can still remain committed to the task of trying to find it.
As we wrestle, though, we can find solace in knowing that our salvation is not based on our ability to read God’s mind, or our ability to be absolutely perfect and hold all the right views--we are saved by grace through faith alone (Ephesians 2:8, NRSV). Additionally, for many Christians, the metric Jesus provided in the Gospel of Matthew about good fruit and bad fruit is one of the most important tools for interpretation: “...Every good tree bears good fruit, but a bad tree bears bad fruit. A good tree cannot bear bad fruit, nor can a bad tree bear good fruit” (Matthew 7:17-18, NRSV). A quick survey of the destructive fruit that has come from non-affirming teaching on transgender communities demonstrates the need to explore what other theologies might have to say. Conversely, the outcome of affirming theologies on gender identity lead to words and actions that are reconciliatory, restorative and profoundly “good news” -- not just for individuals, but families, churches and entire communities.
Conclusion
If you are new to this conversation, it’s normal to feel overwhelmed, or fearful that other people will accuse you of affirming transgender and non-binary people merely because it seems politically correct or trendy. However, even though it is true that there has been an increase in transgender and non-binary visibility in media, our society has never seen as many trans-exclusionary bills in state legislatures, public faith statements made against transgender people in churches or higher rates of recorded crimes and violence committed against transgender people. Having the biblical and theological precedent demonstrated throughout this writing doesn’t guarantee anyone protection from continued discrimination. It is always a profound act of courage to come out to yourself and to your community. Similarly, for the friends and family of transgender and non-binary people, to publicly express your love and support in many contexts can be an act of critical solidarity.
In the midst of fear, stress or confusion, it’s important to remember that we are invited to pause, breathe and simply observe the work God is already doing. The experiences of gender diversity can be found in nearly every culture throughout recorded human history. Traditionally gender non-conforming people were given communal roles as spiritual leaders, healers, conflict mediators and cultural conduits.
While not all of these experiences map perfectly on to contemporary trans experiences, what we do see similarly today are countless examples of transgender and non-binary people across denominations operating in specialized roles within the church whether formally recognized or not. Transgender and non-binary people are actively preaching, teaching, leading, pastoring and offering their time, energy and various gifts for ministry and service. What this tells us is that the real issue here is not whether a person can be transgender and Christian, but whether the church will acknowledge and empower those whom God is already working through to enrich the whole life of the body of Christ. As we all approach this topic with compassion, humility and courage, we may call to mind the words of Gamaliel, a teacher who defended the persecuted apostles of the early church: “...If this plan or this undertaking is of human origin, it will fail; but if it is of God, you will not be able to overthrow them—in that case you may even be found fighting against God!” (Acts 5:34-39, NRSV).
263Owltherian
My. Hands. Hurt. So. Much.
264Cat_Lover1414
Este usuario ha sido eliminado por spam.
265Owltherian
>264 Cat_Lover1414: It hurts so much-
2661hope
>262 Owltherian: are you parents hardcore christains or something?
267Cat_Lover1414
Este usuario ha sido eliminado por spam.
268Owltherian
>266 1hope: My grandparents are
269Jak3y
>265 Owltherian: my intrusive thouhts almost took over O//O//
270Jak3y
>268 Owltherian: my granddad is too
271Owltherian
>269 Jak3y: O/////O
2721hope
>268 Owltherian: do your parents don't support you being gay or non binary or something?
273Jak3y
>271 Owltherian: LOLLLL i was jst messin wit u lolz
274Owltherian
>272 1hope: My parents do but my grandparents dont at all
275Cat_Lover1414
Este usuario ha sido eliminado por spam.
276Jak3y
>272 1hope: i havent told anybody cuz id get hate for it cuz of where i live :{
2771hope
>274 Owltherian: just wait for them to pas-
279Owltherian
It aint gonna fucking pass. THEY CALLED THEIR TRANS NEIGHBOR SLURS WHEN MY MUM WAS GROWING UP, SHE EVEN HAS TO USE THE WRONG PRONOUNS JUST TO NOT TELL THEM
2811hope
>279 Owltherian: wait for them to die is what i was trying to say
282Owltherian
Hah, my great grandma is gonna be 90 this year and is more active than my mamaw/grandma
284Owltherian
Woop alr
287Owltherian
its fine.
288Cat_Lover1414
Este usuario ha sido eliminado por spam.
290Owltherian
What da hec- *creeped out owl noises*
291Jak3y
>287 Owltherian: i swear anytime someone puts a period at the end of a very short sentance i think their either mad or its their autocorrect
292Cat_Lover1414
Este usuario ha sido eliminado por spam.
295Owltherian
>291 Jak3y: Woop- i aint mad lol
297Owltherian
*cries in that is blocked on my school comp*
298Jak3y
>295 Owltherian: ik lol its just cuz- of m-my past thats all lol
im also the person that shows their feelings over text lol im very expressive
im also the person that shows their feelings over text lol im very expressive
299Owltherian
>298 Jak3y: Bro- we had pizza for lunch and i got sick last time so i didn't eat it.
300Jak3y
>299 Owltherian: Yeah i get pizza everyday at my school but its not that good so i usally sneak a chocomilk or 2 and sum extra apple slices
301Cat_Lover1414
Este usuario ha sido eliminado por spam.
305Cat_Lover1414
Este usuario ha sido eliminado por spam.
306Owltherian
kk and Viv ur lucky as hell with the food u get
307Cat_Lover1414
Este usuario ha sido eliminado por spam.
308Owltherian
*cries in has soggy looking fries but doesnt even getting any fries anymore*
309Snapped_Fingers9
idk why but you guys sound like those kids in my life as a courgette to me
310Owltherian
lolz thats funny
311Snapped_Fingers9
it's my favorite childhood movie 😌
312Owltherian
thats nice
3131hope
>296 Jak3y: u can
314Snapped_Fingers9
anybody know who this poor woman is 😞
315Owltherian
i cant see the pic- its blocked for me
316Snapped_Fingers9
oh no that's too bad
317Owltherian
yeah T^T
318Moicah
>262 Owltherian: :D I have a few other words ab dis 1 :D.
319Moicah
>314 Snapped_Fingers9: No... Why, lmao.
320Owltherian
>318 Moicah: :3 Oki
321Owltherian
AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH- My teacher is playing spanish songs and i cant deal with it cuz i have the worst headache everrrrr
323Owltherian
like my head feels like its going to explode
324Snapped_Fingers9
>319 Moicah: she's gonna meet an unfortunate fate
325Owltherian
*cries in about to be with all my sibs and they are all REALLY loud*
326Moicah
>262 Owltherian: Well first, God is a God of absolutes, meaning that there is in fact right and wrong. Using this reasoning provided within the first point, one could say that there are also "in-betweens" to sin and righteousness, which is not true, "Matthew 12:30".
To the second point, no harshness intended, cross-dressing is cross-dressing?
Now, Name changing in itself isn't actually wrong, so I have nothing to say regarding that.
As I've stated before, God specifically says that LGBT+ is wrong, and I don't believe that the verse in Leviticus was referring to pedophilia, as that subject is explicitly mentioned in Matthew 18:6. Another thing that I'd like to address is Lucifer in this.
Rules were set in place by our creator for how mankind is supposed to operate in a healthy and functional manner. The creator has an enemy here on earth with the duty to deceive man and to pervert said rules to fulfill his goal, which is to be like the creator in his own way. Teaching man false doctrines and saying that you can do what the true creator said you'd ought not do.
To the second point, no harshness intended, cross-dressing is cross-dressing?
Now, Name changing in itself isn't actually wrong, so I have nothing to say regarding that.
As I've stated before, God specifically says that LGBT+ is wrong, and I don't believe that the verse in Leviticus was referring to pedophilia, as that subject is explicitly mentioned in Matthew 18:6. Another thing that I'd like to address is Lucifer in this.
Rules were set in place by our creator for how mankind is supposed to operate in a healthy and functional manner. The creator has an enemy here on earth with the duty to deceive man and to pervert said rules to fulfill his goal, which is to be like the creator in his own way. Teaching man false doctrines and saying that you can do what the true creator said you'd ought not do.
327Moicah
>324 Snapped_Fingers9: What. Unfortunate fate?
328Moicah
>314 Snapped_Fingers9: If there's a safesearch for it, I know what it is! :DDDDDDDDDD
Hold on, that sounded wrong.
Hold on, that sounded wrong.
329Snapped_Fingers9
>328 Moicah: no she appears in a hentai anime 💀 don't do it man
330Owltherian
My hands hurt rn....im sitting in the freezing cold
331Moicah
>329 Snapped_Fingers9: O_O GET ME OUT NO ONN ON ON ON ON N ON ON ON N OON OO NO N ONNO NO ONNO
Snapped... How do you know...?
SNAPPED. HOW DO YOU KNOW.
Snapped... How do you know...?
SNAPPED. HOW DO YOU KNOW.
332Snapped_Fingers9
>331 Moicah: NO NO DON'T MISUNDERSTAND I CAN EXPLAIN
I WAS JUST SCROLLING THROUGH WAIFUS IN MYWAIFULIST WHEN I SAW HER, AND SHE WAS PRETTY SO I SEARCHED WHAT SERIES SHE WAS IN AND I SAW SOME QUESTIONABLE IMAGES. I SHOULDA READ THE COMMENTS ABOUT HER BEFORE DOING THAT
I WAS JUST SCROLLING THROUGH WAIFUS IN MYWAIFULIST WHEN I SAW HER, AND SHE WAS PRETTY SO I SEARCHED WHAT SERIES SHE WAS IN AND I SAW SOME QUESTIONABLE IMAGES. I SHOULDA READ THE COMMENTS ABOUT HER BEFORE DOING THAT
333Snapped_Fingers9
so she is the wife if this man named Norihito who had a big blow up at work and the company he works at lost millions of money, but his boss agreed to forgive him if his wife started working for him as his secretary. The poor man agreed, and his wife started "Work" there. the boss true intention was to secretly fuck his wife behind his back. The once caring and sweet woman turned into a filthy slut by the end. It broke my heart 😞
336Snapped_Fingers9
>335 1hope: thats their problem 🫥
337Owltherian
lol and omg i hate the 'duplicate message' thing
338Moicah
>333 Snapped_Fingers9: NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
That. Makes me sad. That makes me sad. Why did you tell me that. Why did you tell me that?
Thou art sickened, O creator.
Thou art distressed.
Why hath thou made this thing?
Why hath thou torn up thy mind?
Why hath thou torn up another?
Is it like an sweetness unto you?
Doth thou see it as an great work?
Thou hast torn up minds.
Thou hast torn up others.
Thou hast led them astray.
Thou hast sinned.
O, thou hast sinned.
Repent, O creator.
Repent, O creator.
Seek His grace, O creator.
Seek His forgiveness, O creator.
I put not out a curse upon thee, but I pray for thou, a way unto the Lord.
A way out of thy sin.
A way out of thy sin.
Turn from thyself.
Turn from thy flesh.
Give not unto thyself.
Give not unto that serpent.
Thou hast sinned.
Turn from thyself.
Repent, O creator.
Find His grace.
That. Makes me sad. That makes me sad. Why did you tell me that. Why did you tell me that?
Thou art sickened, O creator.
Thou art distressed.
Why hath thou made this thing?
Why hath thou torn up thy mind?
Why hath thou torn up another?
Is it like an sweetness unto you?
Doth thou see it as an great work?
Thou hast torn up minds.
Thou hast torn up others.
Thou hast led them astray.
Thou hast sinned.
O, thou hast sinned.
Repent, O creator.
Repent, O creator.
Seek His grace, O creator.
Seek His forgiveness, O creator.
I put not out a curse upon thee, but I pray for thou, a way unto the Lord.
A way out of thy sin.
A way out of thy sin.
Turn from thyself.
Turn from thy flesh.
Give not unto thyself.
Give not unto that serpent.
Thou hast sinned.
Turn from thyself.
Repent, O creator.
Find His grace.
339Owltherian
Hey ya'll
340NEZUKO_CHAN16
Hola Moicah!!
342NEZUKO_CHAN16
Hru?
343Moicah
>342 NEZUKO_CHAN16: Good, how about yourself?
346Owltherian
what did u just read exactly?
348Owltherian
ohhh heck nawww- also Montaro by Lil Nas X is a great song in which my mum introduced to meh :3
349Moicah
>348 Owltherian: Inter resting. I personally enjoy Bruyeres by Debussy. Or https://soundcloud.com/user-234764127/tell-em-instrumental-remix
350Owltherian
Soundcloud is blocked for me...
351Moicah
I'm genuinely irked rn. I keep discovering these things that end up disturbing me for days afterward 9-9...
353Owltherian
Also apparently the song i just mentioned pisses Christians off- idk why tho
355Owltherian
I meannn- the only thing that is rlly bad is like he gives the devil a lap dance- that's literally the only thing
356NEZUKO_CHAN16
>343 Moicah: I'm good as well!!
357Owltherian
*vibes in listening to the song again*
358Moicah
>355 Owltherian: *Slow blink*
Uh... Literally every part of the song is a perversion of Biblical stuff O-O.
Uh... Literally every part of the song is a perversion of Biblical stuff O-O.
359NEZUKO_CHAN16
>355 Owltherian: Yea... yea...
360Owltherian
*Vibes to Slumber Party by ashnikko as well*
362NEZUKO_CHAN16
oop~
364Owltherian
Yep! Ashnikko is a very good artist lol
365NEZUKO_CHAN16
Offnce taken!! I'm jk
366Owltherian
Also how is it unhealthy? I listen to that kind of stuff all the time
367Moicah
>366 Owltherian: That isn't spiritually good for you {:/
368Owltherian
Uhhhh- how and why?
369Moicah
>368 Owltherian: You know the lyrics in those songs...? It's extremely immoral.
370Owltherian
Uh- yeah i do actually i happen to really like that song
371Moicah
>370 Owltherian: Despite the clear immorality and evil in the song?
372Owltherian
How is there evil in the song? Its just a song-
373Moicah
>372 Owltherian: The acts stated in the song aren't good. At all. Also, music is powerful and is one of Lucifer's main tools.
374Owltherian
we can like music ya know- its not 'morally evil' or whatever
375Moicah
>374 Owltherian: Yeah ofc! You can like whatever music u want, I just don't agree with it. None of the things stated in either of those songs are Biblically aligned.
376Owltherian
Okay- not everyone believes in the bible and jesus and whatever-
377Moicah
>376 Owltherian: I'm aware. I'm not saying that everyone is.
378Owltherian
Anyways im going back to vibing to my 'morally evil' songs now
380Owltherian
*now vibing to 'Another Empty Bottle'*
381Snapped_Fingers9
>338 Moicah: IM SORRY IM SO SORRY I DID'T WANT TO TERRIFY ANYONE ELSE BUT IT WAS JUST TOO SAD AND TRAGIC I WANTED IT TO BE OUT THERE
382Snapped_Fingers9
poor hisato
383Snapped_Fingers9
it's just too sad...
385Owltherian
Who is Hisato?
386NEZUKO_CHAN16
I'm confused...
387Snapped_Fingers9
>384 Moicah: the thing is the motherfucking asshole (norihito's boss) was doing shit like groping her behind her husbd's back before too. the poor woman had to deal with it
388Owltherian
>386 NEZUKO_CHAN16: So am i bestie
389Moicah
>387 Snapped_Fingers9: ... Speak no more of this shit.
390Snapped_Fingers9
>389 Moicah: im sorry...i'll stop 😢
391Owltherian
My brain feels like i stabbed it through a metal pike over and over.
393Moicah
>391 Owltherian: Why...?
394Owltherian
Head. Ache.
395Snapped_Fingers9
anyway, i knew that because i watched the 5 seconds of the hentai 🤐 . i couldn't find any information on the net. its only one episode . i'll never do anything like it again.
396Owltherian
*bored making rp owl noises*
397Owltherian
hehe- its 1:11am EST for me
398Jak3y
>364 Owltherian: HAIIII GMMMMMM I AGREEEE
399Jak3y
>391 Owltherian: Phineas Gage??
400Owltherian
>399 Jak3y: Nah and omfg my head still hurtssss
403NEZUKO_CHAN16
YOU WENT TO THE BEACH?!?!?!?! GOOD FOR YOU!!! I'M GLAD YOU HAD FUN
404NEZUKO_CHAN16
I WISH I CAN HANG OUT WITH FRIENDS TOO ;-;
405Jak3y
>403 NEZUKO_CHAN16: TYYYYYSMMM oh lord i jut remeberd sm....
406Jak3y
>404 NEZUKO_CHAN16: U gOT MEEEEE lol
407NEZUKO_CHAN16
>406 Jak3y: TYYYYYYY I NEEDED A FRIEND TO TALK TO!!
408NEZUKO_CHAN16
>405 Jak3y: What did you remeber?
409Jak3y
>408 NEZUKO_CHAN16: h e r.....
i saw h e r at the beach.
i saw h e r at the beach.
410NEZUKO_CHAN16
Is it a girl you like or smth? You don't have to tell me if you don't want to tho
411Jak3y
>410 NEZUKO_CHAN16: no ive been friends with her for 5 years...she knows everythin abt me (mostly)
and she messes with me....ALOT
and she messes with me....ALOT
412NEZUKO_CHAN16
Oh, that must be annoying...?
413Jak3y
>412 NEZUKO_CHAN16: not that type of messing with me.... the other way //O///O///
414NEZUKO_CHAN16
Oop~ O-O
415Jak3y
>414 NEZUKO_CHAN16: heres the thing that makes it worse.... im 5'6 shes 9" taller then me...
416NEZUKO_CHAN16
Oop~ I'm literally speechless for you...
417Jak3y
>416 NEZUKO_CHAN16: and uh...when i saw her..i ran behind my friends....and boy thy threw me in the water and...she saw me and boy I SWAM cuz she gives me fear....im genully scared of her....
418NEZUKO_CHAN16
I would be too if I had a friend like that... I feel bad for you
421NEZUKO_CHAN16
YEEEE TELL HER THAT!!
422NEZUKO_CHAN16
Be that brave (boy/girl/person?) that you turly are
423NEZUKO_CHAN16
What pronouns do you perfer?
424NEZUKO_CHAN16
Hello?
425Owltherian
*cries in was only gone a few hours*
426NEZUKO_CHAN16
OWLLLL *Tackle hugs* don't cry I was talking to Trustin, so I wasn't lonley. Now I have YOU!!!
427Owltherian
Haiii- i fell asleep so if u responded to the A Forever Leafbare thing i am sorry
428NEZUKO_CHAN16
It's ok so did I lol but I responded this morning but everything is alll good!
429Owltherian
okay!
430NEZUKO_CHAN16
:DD
431NEZUKO_CHAN16
IS ANYONE ONLINE??????????????
432Snapped_Fingers9
yea i am
433NEZUKO_CHAN16
Oh, hey there!!
435NEZUKO_CHAN16
Hru?
437Jak3y
>423 NEZUKO_CHAN16: Well im genderfluid so he or she work :D
438Jak3y
>422 NEZUKO_CHAN16: My gender kinda depends on my mental state and emotional state
439NEZUKO_CHAN16
>436 Jak3y: IT'S OK!!
440NEZUKO_CHAN16
>437 Jak3y: Ok then!! :D
441NEZUKO_CHAN16
>438 Jak3y: Ok so how are you feeling rn and feel like being?
442Jak3y
>441 NEZUKO_CHAN16: rn im femmm my emotional state rn isssss hmmm serene
443Jak3y
>350 Owltherian: soundcloudmp3.cc
444NEZUKO_CHAN16
>442 Jak3y: Ok then!
446NEZUKO_CHAN16
I'm just hanging out in my room, hbu?
448NEZUKO_CHAN16
Oooo noice I think I've heard bout it but never watched it
451NEZUKO_CHAN16
Then go on vr silly
453NEZUKO_CHAN16
I feel ya lol
455Snapped_Fingers9
come on, just hit 1000 already
457NEZUKO_CHAN16
lol
458Owltherian
*cries in took a 2 hour nap and is not tired and usually struggles to fall asleep*
459Jak3y
>458 Owltherian: yeah same.
460NEZUKO_CHAN16
*hugs* don't cry, you'll be a-ok!
461Owltherian
*huggos* I didnt even mean to take a nap T^T
462NEZUKO_CHAN16
Oh well, at least you got some sleep!
463Owltherian
I guess
464NEZUKO_CHAN16
I will be on as long as I can with you so you aren't alone, ok?
465Owltherian
Okay
466Jak3y
>464 NEZUKO_CHAN16: Same! :D
467NEZUKO_CHAN16
>466 Jak3y: YAY!!
468Owltherian
:3 I have the bestest friends
469Owltherian
Also is it bad that i listen to Lil Nas X? I like a bunch of his songs but it makes Christians PISSED.
470NEZUKO_CHAN16
No... The christians are just judgy... I listen to Lil NAs X too
471Owltherian
Yayyyyy another Lil Nas X fannnnnn!!!
472NEZUKO_CHAN16
Yayyyyyyy!!!
473Owltherian
I like his song Montaro (Call Me By Your Name)
474NEZUKO_CHAN16
Same!!
475Owltherian
Like AHHHHHH the only thing bad that my mum made me close my eyes was when he gave the devil a lap dance
476NEZUKO_CHAN16
LMAO, I'm assuming you watched that part behind her back?
477Owltherian
Maybeeeeeeee
478NEZUKO_CHAN16
Lmao, thought so :)
479Owltherian
I like the part that he slid down the stripper pole tho- that was cool
480NEZUKO_CHAN16
Ikr!!
481Owltherian
Like AHHHHHHHH AND HE'S GAYYYYYYYYYY
482NEZUKO_CHAN16
IKR, I felt the same way when that happen!!
483Owltherian
Broooo- Christians be hatin' on musiccccc
485Owltherian
Ashnikko, great artists although Christians freaking HATE her music
486NEZUKO_CHAN16
Really?
487Owltherian
mhm, they say its 'unhealthy' or 'perverted biblical stuff'
488NEZUKO_CHAN16
Well it might be to them, but not everyone thinks the same as them.
489Owltherian
Yeah i guess- i dont believe in religion but that's just me.
490NEZUKO_CHAN16
I wouldn't say I'm a chrstian but I beileive in God in my own way. I'm like a LGBTQ christian but not a christian.
491Owltherian
i think i understand, my grandparents on my mums side are HARDCORE Christians and they especially don't accept LGBTQ+ people
492NEZUKO_CHAN16
I feel ya. I have great grandparents and just grandparents who are HARDCORE Christians
493Owltherian
Yeah, they called their trans neighbor slurs and my moms gf used to be a male and they keep calling her by he/him pronouns and I'm a nonbinary lesbian who uses they/them pronouns irl and they use she/her pronouns for me and it sucks
494NEZUKO_CHAN16
Wow. If only christians just understand that the world is changing and we don't have to follow the ten commandments or the bible like everyone did
495Owltherian
Exactly- Jesus made LGBTQ+ people for a reason, its no mistake at all-
496NEZUKO_CHAN16
REAL!!! They just don't relize or see it cause they're blind af!!
497Owltherian
I guess so but anyone is susceptible to hate, not just LGBTQ, black & people like that
498NEZUKO_CHAN16
Yea, that's true
499Owltherian
Honestly it should be 'ALM' not just BLM and now i have a shirt that says 'Black Lives Matter' all over it when i didn't even want it like that-
500NEZUKO_CHAN16
I agree!!
501Owltherian
Owwww- i just cracked my neck so much and now it hurts
502NEZUKO_CHAN16
Ooooo, I hate that when it happens
503Owltherian
I'ma lay my neck on a stuffed animal i have instead of my pillow that is being washed
504NEZUKO_CHAN16
Good idea
505Owltherian
Ahhh- it helps my back too-
506NEZUKO_CHAN16
Thats good
507Owltherian
At least my back and neck isnt in pain anymore
508NEZUKO_CHAN16
Yea thats good
509Owltherian
For some reason my back just hurts until i lay down and sleep for like a very little amount of time.
510NEZUKO_CHAN16
Huh, that is a little... odd ig
511Owltherian
Guess so- it could also be because i have the literal posture of a giant shrimp (said by my father)
512NEZUKO_CHAN16
Oop~
513Owltherian
Yeah- i laughed by ass off when my dad said this.
514NEZUKO_CHAN16
I bet lol
515Owltherian
like- i spent years slouching over tablets, computers, and phones
516NEZUKO_CHAN16
Same, ike I'm slouching rn lol
517Owltherian
I'm laying down while trying not to fall asleep.
518NEZUKO_CHAN16
I'm def not yawning over here, half asleep.... :D
519Owltherian
lol, im also half asleep & its like 1:07am EST rn
520NEZUKO_CHAN16
It's 11:09 pm southwestern rn
521Owltherian
wow- thats crazy
522NEZUKO_CHAN16
yea.., It's crazy you are still up, I would be passed out by then lol
523Owltherian
yeahhh- i usually am but i sometimes am able to stay up all night.
524NEZUKO_CHAN16
Noice
525Owltherian
Although when i do i usually pass out a bunch
526NEZUKO_CHAN16
Yea same!!
527Owltherian
And even my family gets suspicious and i just tell 'em i read all night on accident
528NEZUKO_CHAN16
Well good thing you tell them that!!
529Owltherian
yeahhh- they would scream if they found out i was lying about it.
530NEZUKO_CHAN16
Same here
531Owltherian
u awake bestie?
532Jak3y
>470 NEZUKO_CHAN16: frrrrr i love lil x
533Jak3y
>473 Owltherian: SAMEEEE MY FAV FR
534Jak3y
>479 Owltherian: Yeah ofc
535NEZUKO_CHAN16
>531 Owltherian: Sorry I accientally fell asleep on you hehe :,)
536NothingOutThereForMe
Este usuario ha sido eliminado por spam.
537Yuuki_TheMarshmallow
Oop- you good?
538NEZUKO_CHAN16
>536 NothingOutThereForMe: Are you ok?
539NEZUKO_CHAN16
*cries because is alone now*
540Yuuki_TheMarshmallow
NO YOUR NOT ALONE
541NEZUKO_CHAN16
YAYYYYY!!
543sillygooberness
I’m cold and I don’t like it
544Owltherian
Yello!
546Owltherian
I'm glad im not the only one online lol
547sillygooberness
I no no wanna school :’(
548sillygooberness
I wanna go to sleep
549Owltherian
I have school off due to presidents day...thank buiscuts for Washington's Birthday
550sillygooberness
Luckyyyy
551Owltherian
You gotta go to school ha lol
552sillygooberness
I got canddydyy
553sillygooberness
From quizleteet
554Owltherian
Noiceee- i hate Quizlet and Quizizz
556sillygooberness
Sry I’m replying so late lol
557Arnson_lover
Este usuario ha sido eliminado por spam.
558Owltherian
Viv? You got ur old acc back?
559Arnson_lover
Este usuario ha sido eliminado por spam.
560Arnson_lover
Este usuario ha sido eliminado por spam.
561Owltherian
*sad owl noises* What happened to the cat lover ACC?
562Arnson_lover
Este usuario ha sido eliminado por spam.
563Owltherian
Well- wanna rp?
564Arnson_lover
Este usuario ha sido eliminado por spam.
566Arnson_lover
Este usuario ha sido eliminado por spam.
567Owltherian
hellur
568Arnson_lover
Este usuario ha sido eliminado por spam.
569Owltherian
Wanna rp now?
570Arnson_lover
Este usuario ha sido eliminado por spam.
571Owltherian
kk i will
572sillygooberness
Hiii
573Arnson_lover
Este usuario ha sido eliminado por spam.
574NEZUKO_CHAN16
Hello!!!
575Owltherian
Haiii
576Arnson_lover
Este usuario ha sido eliminado por spam.
577NEZUKO_CHAN16
REEHEEHEEHEEEHEEE *does a penywise laugh*
578Snapped_Fingers9
1001 members yooooo 🥳
579Owltherian
Yayyyyy
580NEZUKO_CHAN16
YAYYYYY!!!
582Owltherian
Heyyyy- im waiting for my mum to drive meh to school.
585Sxkurablossom
Este mensaje fue borrado por su autor.
588Sxkurablossom
oh damn I hated that
civics was just annoying
civics was just annoying
591Sxkurablossom
mkk
593Sxkurablossom
you in 7th grade then?
595Sxkurablossom
called itt haha
596Sxkurablossom
hows that going 7th grade was hard
598Jak3y
>596 Sxkurablossom: Well i got edgenuity so that sucks ass
601Sxkurablossom
>598 Jak3y: I had engenuity too what subject you retaking? I had to retake science
602Sxkurablossom
>599 Jak3y: I got held back in first grade T^T
603Jak3y
>601 Sxkurablossom: lang arts and math i think... cuz ik i failed math but i didnt think i failed LA
605Sxkurablossom
>600 Jak3y: damn im sorry that sucks
if it makes you feel any better I missed my elementary graduation and talent show that I was in cause of covid
if it makes you feel any better I missed my elementary graduation and talent show that I was in cause of covid
606Jak3y
>605 Sxkurablossom: awww noooo i feel bad....
607Sxkurablossom
its fine TvT
608Jak3y
>605 Sxkurablossom: i think my talent show was..... 4th grade? idr but it was a christmas one and i had to do a solo and sing....
I NAILED ITTTTT (hopefuly) i think i did T^T
I NAILED ITTTTT (hopefuly) i think i did T^T
609Sxkurablossom
lmao
i gtg sorry talk in 2 periods
i gtg sorry talk in 2 periods
610NEZUKO_CHAN16
Ya''l had to redo a grade or two, muhahahahahaha I didn't me good kid, sometimes.... but we don't talk about it.
611Jak3y
im gonna stay in foster care until i finish 7th and 8th grade and im either gonna move to ohio with my aunt or stay in foster care and go to high school
612Jak3y
>609 Sxkurablossom: ight cyaaa
613Jak3y
>610 NEZUKO_CHAN16: its fineeeee
614Jak3y
i gtg to math so i wont be using my computer so ill talk to yall after math and gym T^T UGHHHHH
615Owltherian
Broooo- i have a sub in math YESSSSSS
616Arnson_lover
Este usuario ha sido eliminado por spam.
617Owltherian
I want to bang my head into a brick wall- THIS MATH MAKES NO SENSE
618NEZUKO_CHAN16
I hate math too bro also my irl friend is trying deal with a breakup so if I don't respond immediatly(can't spell today) it's because I'm trying to comfort her.
620Owltherian
Mrow
622Owltherian
Idk- it got too many messages for one person ig
623Owltherian
Try this tongue twister: Betty bought butter but the butter was bitter, so Betty bought better butter to make the bitter butter better.
Este tema fue continuado por teens talk about anything... or if you need help with anything 20!!.
Únete para publicar