Big update to Awards and Honors #2

New Thread

I'm looking at filling in the Asimov's Reader Poll (although this also applies to the Locus Award/Poll and the Analog Readers Poll)

Is there a good way of doing the ordering within category?

If we look at http://www.sfadb.com/Asimovs_Reader_Poll_2023 - we see that there is a winner, and then the rest of the pack have an order (based on points determined as part of the voting process).

The only sort orders are -
a) Order Label, Date, Stage, Category (Recommended)
b) Date, Order Label, Stage, Category

Both of which put the Order Label before the Stage (and Category).

As can be seen on https://www.librarything.com/award/5486.0.0.2023/Asimovs-Readers-Award-2023 all the categories are interleaved because there is something in place 2 for all categories, same for 3.

Looking at the Locus Award the positional info has not been entered.

So is this a use-case not catered for? Or should I be looking at something other than using Order?

Is there a best practice for how to list a one time/special recognition within an award that has stages?

I am slowly working on the Audie's but have come across a few which seem to be special recognition awards. For example, Fifty Shades of Grey was awarded a Special Awards Sales Achievement in 2013. No one else is listed as a nominee and the award has not been given out since.

I listed it as both a finalist and winner, but that doesn't feel accurate since there was no other finalists. If I just list it as a winner though, it throws up an error since it is missing from the finalist stage. Is there a better way to articulate special recognition awards or should I just keep listing it in both stages?

>3 greeneyed_ives:

I would just list that as a winner. I would ignore any warnings (and you can dismiss them in the helper hub if you want with a comment along the lines of "special one-off recognition award - no nominees/shortlist process")

>4 andyl: Thanks! I will do that then and be sure to make a note as to why!

>2 andyl: I think we need more options for ordering categories (which often wind up sorting illogically when alphabetical order does not match logical order), as well as within categories. I'll just leave it at that.

Likewise as with images, we're going to need a way to assign descriptions to different segments (categories/stages/hope-for new segments) as well.

That is a sweet org list (and still only half-populated). https://www.librarything.com/award/organizations
Naturally, it's going to require a lot more structure, and infrastructure (combining? meaningful aliasing that actually prevents constant duplicates?). In particular, "affiliate" is a relationship that's badly needed, and maybe sorting by tripartite type of award/honor/list on the org page (helps keep the different newspaper and bookseller designations straight). I'm sure that's all in the works.

#226 in the prior topic mentioned duplicate images: https://www.librarything.com/topic/353768#8241076

There are also occasional wrong images for awards. Would image flagging be a useful feature to add, so as we can deal with both of these issues?

If org names have been deleted, they shouldn't show up in the drop-down to be re-added. Usually they were deleted for a reason.

>10 davidgn: If org names have been deleted, they shouldn't show up in the drop-down to be re-added. Usually they were deleted for a reason.

They should not be doing that. Can you provide an example?

>11 knerd.knitter: Wish I'd noted it down when I saw it. Will try to reproduce (and verify it was the built-in drop-down, not the Chrome one).

>12 davidgn: OK, looks like this was a 4AM problem localized between keyboard and chair, not on your end. Sorry about that. (The ALA still won't stop duplicating itself, though. )

If the Add Multiple feature were able to parse ISBNs with (any of the many varieties of) dashes, that would save quite a lot of time removing them manually over and over again in Geany.

Did I mention we ultimately will want a way to copy images the other direction, from org to award? Because we've gotten to the point where that would be really useful. (Mostly with large publications that have many lists, etc.)

Might need paging on the award user history pages. Mine takes forever to load now. (viz. https://www.librarything.com/award/userhistory/davidgn )

Trying to find out why a perfectly valid award that I've spent time updating got deleted:
https://www.librarything.com/award/6206/Next-Generation-Indie-Book-Awards

Did someone think it was a duplicate of this one? https://www.librarything.com/award/8052/The-Independent-Author-Network-Book-of-t...

>18 Aquila: No, definitely not related in any form.

Honestly, I'm not sure. I undeleted it. That was definitely not intentional.
I think I was trying to delete this: https://www.librarything.com/award/7923/Indy-Book-Award-Finalist (and apparently succeeded).
And either there was a (somewhat disastrous) misclick somewhere, or there's a bug, or something otherwise didn't work as expected.
Sorry about that.

ETA: Thinking about this:

I think I tried combining 7923 into 6206 first, but it didn't archive because I didn't add any works or the name to the larger award, and so "nothing happened." So then I deleted 7923, and this happened -- both 7923 and 6206 got deleted. So thinking that it actually did get combined in some capacity, and that this is a bug.

Put in as a bug report. I honestly don't see myself accidentally misclicking in that particular way, although I can't rule it out. Combine enough thousands of awards, something weird is bound to happen at some point.

Org relationships: we also need "licensor/ee."

Awards with relationships to one another should probably be barred from being combined, as happens with works.

Some way to account for awards that change their organizers (not just sponsors) might be helpful.

Hey y'all -- new to this process, but I'm playing around with adding North Carolina state organization awards to the new system.

I see that we can update organizations or awards to show Country. Is it possible that we could also get a page that enables browsing by geographic region? I love seeing all of the awards from around the globe, but for my purposes as a library staff member in a specific place, it's helpful to be able to filter and see awards that highlight books from or about my state/region.

Also, are there tips for adding works that aren't on LibraryThing? I'm having to add them to a collection first before the Awards system will recognize them as a real title, but some items won't come up in the Add books search. A way to note titles in years where the record isn't linked to LibraryThing would also be helpful.

>25 tfrose: I understand that improvements to the orgs page (and, hopefully, mechanics) are in the works, but no announcement has been made about specifics or timeframe.
And the best bet is to find a library or source that has the work, ideally using Worldcat to find libraries with holdings (then checking whether we have connectivity with them, or working through to find out which consortium they're a member of, if applicable, and whether we have connectivity with that consortium.) Bowker -- with caveat that the reversed author name will probably need author combining and/or a canonical author set in CK -- or Amazon are good last-ditch choices, especially for US-published stuff, if nothing else seems to have it.

Once the work(s) are added from the sources(s), then add the work(s) to the workbench (option on right-hand column of the work page). That will then allow adding the work from the list of works on the workbench that appears when you go to add a work from within the award. Note that multiple works can be added to the workbench, so this can be done as a batch process where necessary.

>25 tfrose: Found you another few NC awards.
https://www.librarything.com/award/4138/Crooks-Corner-Book-Prize
https://www.librarything.com/award/14821/Brockman-Campbell-Book-Award
https://www.librarything.com/award/14822/North-Carolina-Genealogical-Society-Awa...

And the rest of the North Carolina Book Awards should probably be added (and possibly rolled up, though that's a judgment call).
https://www.ncwriters.org/news/blog/n-c-literary-and-historical-association-anno...

Would also suggest looking at NC Uni (and other) presses and their lists of award-winning books for ideas of things to work on.
https://uncpress.org/awards/
https://www.dukeupress.edu/Books/Browse/Award-Winning-Titles
https://inside.wfu.edu/2020/09/library-partners-press-award-winners-receive-nati...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Book_publishing_companies_based_in_North_...
https://publishersarchive.com/North-Carolina
etc.

And here's NCPedia (which you've probably found already)
https://www.ncpedia.org/literary-awards
Thanks for pitching in.

P.S. Oh, yeah, the NC Great Reads from Great Places still need added (along with most of the other states)
https://read.gov/greatreads/
https://www.librarything.com/award/14288/Great-Reads-from-Great-Places
https://nchumanities.org/program/great-reads/

This may be in the wrong topic, it may be a bug, but the
Awards and Honors*
Helpers Log
All Edits
Last 7 days has been incorrect for over 2 weeks. I have not done 573 entries in the last 7 days. My total of 611 is , I think, correct. I estimate my last 7 days is between 80 and 100.

davidgn (13,437), Nevov (2,492), katemcangus (1,786), gilroy (1,551), Dariah (1,318), andyl (1,311), ablachly (1,030), InfoQuest (921), birder4106 (666), bergs47 (573)
I seriously doubt is Daidgn has done 13000 this week

>28 bergs47: I'm guessing some of those totals are monthly right now for some reason.

>29 davidgn: so david you agree that you never did 13000 last week?

>30 bergs47: I'm prolific, but I'm not that prolific.

A way to flag wrong images would be nice. https://www.librarything.com/award/808/Great-Lakes-Book-Award is an example.
Put a comment, but no flag option.

The past week or so, I've been slowly working on making sure that everything in the site that must not be named's universe exists in our universe as well, properly combined and with org info, links, and alternate/subordinate prize names. I'm going to pause that effort for now. Normally I'd publish where I left off in case anyone else wants to take a few swings at the rock face, but it would help a lot to get the indexing fixed first. As things stand, people will just wind up adding a bunch of inadvertent duplicates.

>33 davidgn: There are so many sites that must not be named... That is a huge undertaking.

>34 gilroy: *snorts*

>34 gilroy: Only one scratches the chip-on-the-shoulder itch. There will be time for systematic projects and raiding of reference works later. For now, sometimes the mouse needs to eat the cat.

A mouse eats a cat one bite at a time. The mouse's fork is broken. Please fix indexing.

ETA: Looks like it's doing better. Let me run a few more tests.
ETA: Thanks.
OK. I'm wrapping up page 75 out of 264 tonight. 76 onwards is open for now. If anyone needs a more specific pointer than that, message me.

Note, I haven't been populating them yet, just combining our own fragmented records and filling the lacunae for now. We have overall better prize coverage (particularly in depth), but the breadth of their universe is relatively better in some areas, particularly (off the top of my head) East and South Asian, Portuguese, Galician, Ecuadorian, Turkish, and assorted Eastern European and Balkan awards, plus English-language romance awards. I'm guessing in total, obscure English-language poetry awards is probably at worst a push, but they've still got a bunch of those we don't as well. With 40 times the subscriber base, it shouldn't be surprising that they'd have some areas of relative strength. ;-)

ETA: OK, I've now completed a (new) backup of their pages just in case (wouldn't be the first time my efforts for LT have made things mysteriously disappear), so I'll link directly:
https://www.goodreads.com/award?page=76&sort=most+winners

>27 davidgn: Just seeing this -- I thought I'd get a notification on replies. Thanks for the list of recommendations and all of the detail in your answers!

I'll keep going as I'm able - it's strangely satisfying to be gathering all of these disparate lists from around the internet into consistently structured lists.

>37 tfrose: Thanks.
I always figured it's such a simple matter with the existence of the open Internet (for the time being) that someone ought to have done it all by now. The absolute baseline should be the consolidation of what is trivially available on the open web. In the scheme of things, it's a large but not impossibly massive project: maybe ten person-years (less, perhaps, with broad native language expertise on-board) and a couple FTE to maintain updates, plus ongoing research into what is not on the web. Unfortunately, there's no funding for it and no immediately apparent way to make it pay, and most people seem content to confine themselves to their silos. Maybe we'll figure it out -- at least for some subsets.

I've put in more effort than I can afford for now, but I'll be back.

>31 davidgn: I think it has fixed itself. this is last weeks stats

davidgn (2,495), katemcangus (845), tfrose (339), Nevov (222), ablachly (204), AbigailAdams26 (199), bergs47 (165), Shortride (154), norabelle414 (147),

as opposed to last weeks

davidgn (13,437), Nevov (2,492), katemcangus (1,786), gilroy (1,551), Dariah (1,318), andyl (1,311), ablachly (1,030), InfoQuest (921), birder4106 (666), bergs47 (573)

Someone want to clean up the Kritikerprisen, and maybe make it clear why we have three records named that? Can't make heads or tails and I'm not about to dive down that rabbit hole if we have relevant expertise here. Thanks.

Is there a way to combine Award Organizations? Specifically:
https://www.librarything.com/award/organization/248/NPR
https://www.librarything.com/award/organization/1550/National-Public-Radio-NPR

>41 norabelle414: Not yet. Hoping that's in the works.

On the award settings page, the award type options are listed as
-Awards
-Distinctions
-Notable Lists

but the "explanation of these types" lists them as
-Awards
-Notable Lists
-Distinctions

That order makes more sense to me since Distinctions is defined as "everything else", but at the very least it should be consistent.

A couple thoughts.

1. Might be a good idea to enable some sort of aliasing or grouping for categories. That would allow for situations where a category remains functionally the same but changes its age range slightly, or where it becomes or ceases to be eponymous, to be entered as they appear without fragmenting the category for purposes of the statistics and "Similar Awards" calculations, etc.

2. The tag info feels like a stub of a feature at this stage. To make the tags more useful at a minimum, there should be the ability to:
(1) click on a tag and get the books *within the award* that have that tag.
(2) see a much longer list of tags.

No doubt there's more that could be done, but as a baseline, that functionality would be pretty powerful for discovery purposes.

A notes field for Announcements would be nice as well.

Example: added a date of 9/15/24 for announcement of winner of The Week Junior Book Awards, which will actually happen at a date TBD in September of '24. Would like to make a note of that. https://www.theweekjuniorbookawards.co.uk/2024

Just wanted to note that we've got a bumper crop of new award announcements for the season (mostly but not exclusively ALA), and there will be more in the next few days as the ALA conference continues. I may be a bit preoccupied, so if anyone wants to pitch in updating the 2024 winners, that would be awesome.

I'm just catching up. A few years back I wanted to identify all books in the "501 Must-Read" books listing, which I've been diligently pursuing for more than a decade now. The Awards portion of Common Knowledge seemed like the most logical place to locate this information (and I received a polite thank you from Tim for doing so).

This information doesn't seem to have been preserved in the new system, probably because it isn't an award per se. How do I confirm that? I can get by with the 501 Must-Read Books Group that I'm administering so I'm not requesting anything, just wondering.

EDIT: Found!! https://www.librarything.com/award/8/501-Must-Read-Books-Emma-Beare-2006

Is that different to this? https://www.librarything.com/award/8/501-Must-Read-Books-Emma-Beare-2006

>48 Aquila:, you were seconds too fast for me, thanks. :)

request:
In the Add a Work / Single Work search box, add an "x" option to clear the previous search.

>50 karenb: In the Add a Work / Single Work search box, add an "x" option to clear the previous search

I'm not sure under what circumstances you would need this. If you go through adding a work and then go back to add another the field is already blanked out.

>51 knerd.knitter: In instances where Work Not Found, the x would be helpful to clear the previous search, rather than having to fully highlight then paste over. Especially if the book title was extra long

>51 knerd.knitter: In instances where Work Not Found, the x would be helpful to clear the previous search, rather than having to fully highlight then paste over. Especially if the book title was extra long

Ah, that makes sense. Thank you