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1enevada
I have never fully recovered from the realization that I am not, in fact, Ada Veen, but she remains for me Nabokov's ideal woman (well, except for Vera, of course, but she was not of his making). And, the field is not terribly crowded, but in the interest of discussion how many Adas are out there?
Should we form a self-help group? Wouldn't she despise the very notion?
Should we form a self-help group? Wouldn't she despise the very notion?
2timspalding
I don't think Ada and Van are really held up as models—or even particularly nice people, do you?
3enevada
Van is odious. As odious as Vronsky. Ada is lovely. As lovely as Anna.
Both are flawed, the human condition. Lucette? Didn't stand a chance. Such weakness, we see her again in Hazel Shade.
Would you have any of them to dinner? Only Ada, if I were a man.
Both are flawed, the human condition. Lucette? Didn't stand a chance. Such weakness, we see her again in Hazel Shade.
Would you have any of them to dinner? Only Ada, if I were a man.
4timspalding
I'd invite Pnin.:)
5timspalding
Good possible thread... whom do we invite for dinner?
6enevada
Timofey Pavlovich, certainly. And, for me, Demon. John Shade would be a downer, but he has a colorful new neighbor we could ask.
On the menu? Cognac and salted almonds. Sherry for Shade, if he shows.
On the menu? Cognac and salted almonds. Sherry for Shade, if he shows.
8Cateline
I rather liked Vadim Vadimovich of Look at the Harlequins! and would have to invite him and surprise him with his daughter Belle. What a lovely reunion that would be!
Timofey Pnin goes without saying and wouldn't it be just perfect if we could resurrect Mira, his true love.
Maybe even Sirin would grace us with a visit. :)
Timofey Pnin goes without saying and wouldn't it be just perfect if we could resurrect Mira, his true love.
Maybe even Sirin would grace us with a visit. :)
9enevada
Sirin! The sylph. Quite a coup if you get him to attend.
Did anyone think to invite Sebastian?
Did anyone think to invite Sebastian?
12Cateline
Oh sure, we can invite Lo, why not? :D But what about Margot Peters? Certainly if Lo can be there it might be interesting to see her along side one of her predecessors, yes?
I think that just might guarantee Sirin's presence.
I think that just might guarantee Sirin's presence.
13enevada
Actually, I was thinking of seating her between Ada and Van, and letting them devour her. A bit of sport between soup and fish.
15enevada
OK, Karlus (Kinbot?) we'll assign you to Lolita duty, if you so desire. You can regale her with tales of Zembla.
17AsYouKnow_Bob
Tim at #5: Good possible thread... whom do we invite for dinner?
This was probably before your time, but, back in the '70s, Steve Allen did a PBS show called Meeting of Minds - which was a talk show where three or four historical figures would sit around over dinner and toss ideas around.
Allen's execution of the conceit was occasionally painful to watch, but agreed, it's certainly an interesting idea for a thread.
Nabokov? Edmund Wilson? Thomas Jefferson?
This was probably before your time, but, back in the '70s, Steve Allen did a PBS show called Meeting of Minds - which was a talk show where three or four historical figures would sit around over dinner and toss ideas around.
Allen's execution of the conceit was occasionally painful to watch, but agreed, it's certainly an interesting idea for a thread.
Nabokov? Edmund Wilson? Thomas Jefferson?
18Cateline
I loved that series AsYouKnow_Bob...remember it well, in fact thanks for the name...couldn't remember it. :D
Can't invite Vladimir without Véra though.
Can't invite Vladimir without Véra though.
21enevada
Yes, but us - we'd be happier, or less well behaved if she weren't. We can invite her to tea another day.
22citygirl
enevada, why is Van odious and Ada lovely? They are very similar, no? I think Van will be one of my favorite characters of all time. He would definitely be invited to dinner.
23enevada
That does seem a bit harsh to equate Van with Vronsky. Van is, at least, a creative artist, while Vronsky is merely a cad. But, I need to back up a bit to answer your question, Citygirl.
Ada simply is. Intact, complete, whole. In my reading of Ada, she is life itself. Ego-bound Van can only respond to her, in this case through his writing. His encounter with Ada is that of an actor or being responding to life. I call it the re-creative response and it results in all manner of original thought, often codified as a book, or a musical composition, or a math equation - the product doesn't matter, the response does.*
In Nabokov, sex is revelational and what it reveals is protocreativity (yes, I make up words when I need to but so does Nabokov). It is the pin-point where life force meets creative response.
*I'll have to repeat some of this in my answer to you on Lucette, in the other thread.
Ada simply is. Intact, complete, whole. In my reading of Ada, she is life itself. Ego-bound Van can only respond to her, in this case through his writing. His encounter with Ada is that of an actor or being responding to life. I call it the re-creative response and it results in all manner of original thought, often codified as a book, or a musical composition, or a math equation - the product doesn't matter, the response does.*
In Nabokov, sex is revelational and what it reveals is protocreativity (yes, I make up words when I need to but so does Nabokov). It is the pin-point where life force meets creative response.
*I'll have to repeat some of this in my answer to you on Lucette, in the other thread.