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1scaifea
Ene 14, 1:29pm



Hey, everybody!

I'm Amber, a one-time Classics professor, turned stay-at-home parent/lady of leisure, turned part-time library assistant, turned once again Classics professor. I spend my free time sewing, writing, knitting, baking, and, of course, reading.

My reading life is happily governed by lists, which means that I read a healthy variety of things across various genres.

I'm 45 going on 12 and live in Ohio with my husband, Tomm; our son, Charlie, and Mario the Golden Retriever.

Here I am in Dr. Scaife Mode (you can tell that because my hair is, for once, actually combed and not just in a messy bun):



Favorite Books from 2020
The Lumberjanes collected comic volumes
Call Down the Hawk
New Kid
The Wise Man's Fear
The Slow Regard of Silent Things
Pride and Prejudice
Silver in the Wood
A Tale of Two Cities

2scaifea
Editado: Ene 22, 9:32am



What I'm Reading Now:
-Lord Foul's Bane (BSF Award)
-Return of the Thief (series read)
-Song for a Whale (Schneider Award)
-Camp (romance list)
-A Promised Land (audiobook)
-The Queen of Attolia (family bedtime read-aloud)
-The Book Thief (books I'm reading with my friend, Rob)
-The Daylight Gate (Read Soon! shelves)

Books on Deck:
-Guard of Honor (Pulitzer list)
-Uncle Silas (books by year - 1864)
-(an unread book from my shelves)
-(a book from my Read Soon! shelves)
-The Experience of Insight (Buddhist reading list)
-A Likely Story (cozy mysteries)
-Henry VI Part 1 (Shakespeare re-read)
-The Ugly American (Banned Books)
-The King of Elfland's Daughter (Green Dragon 1001 Fantasy list)

The five-ish or so books I have going at once and the On Deck books nearly all come from the following categories and lists:

1. A book from the 100 Banned Books book (at least currently. As soon as I finish this list, I'll replace it with another, and oh, I've got tons of lists).

2. A children's book, for Charlie's library. I'm trying to collect books from various award lists, and I like reading them before reading them to Charlie or deciding to add them to Charlie's shelves. For this category, I’m currently working through three lists:
a. 1001 Children’s Books You Must Read Before You Die
b. The Newbery Honor books
c. Cooperative Children's Book Center list

3. A book from the Green Dragon 1001 Fantasy List, in chronological order.

4. A list I'm working through together with my best friend, Rob: The Hugo/Nebula/WFA/Bram Stoker (and other) lists (combined, in chronological order)

5. For this category, I cycle through 9 different stacks:
a. Agatha Christie's bibliography (in chronological order)
b. Stephen Fry's bibliography (in chronological order)
c. John Boyne bibliography (in chronological order, sort of)
d. Neil Gaiman's bibliography (in some order other than chronological (don't
ask)).
e. Christopher Moore's bibliography (in chronological order)
f. Maggie Stiefvater's bibliography (in chronological order)
g. The NEH Timeless Classics list
h. The National Book Award list (in alpha order by title)
i. The Pulitzer list (in alpha order by author)

6. An unread book from my shelves.

7. A book from my Read Soon! shelves.

8. A book on Buddhism or from the Dalai Lama's bibliography.

9. Book-a-year challenge: Three years ago, along with a few others in this group (*cough* Paul *cough*), I made a year-by-year list to see how far I could go back with consecutive reads. I've since been trying to fill in the gap years.

10. A book from the couple of series that I'm reading together with my mom.

11. A full-on re-read through Shakespeare's stuff.

12. A read-aloud-to-Charlie-at-bedtime book (or two).

13. An audio book, which I listen to as I knit/sew/otherwise craft/drive.

14. A romance novel, using as a guideline an excellent list of authors and works curated by lycomaflower (I know virtually nothing about this genre, but I now work in a library where many, many lovely people come through to check out books of this genre, and I want to know something about it).

15. This slot is reserved for books that just grab me and shout that they need to be read Right Now.

3scaifea
Editado: Ene 22, 9:35am

Books Read

JANUARY
1. Spinning Silver (Alex Award) - 10/10 = A+
2. Swamp Thing: Twin Branches (Stiefvater bibliography) - 8/10 = B
3. Manchild in the Promised Land (Banned Books list, AlphaKIT: M) - 9/10 = A-
4. The Wish Giver (Newbery Honor Book) - 8/10 = B
5. Silas Marner (audiobook) - 8/10 = B-
6. The Story of Tracy Beaker (1001 Children's Books) - 8/10 = B-
7. Thick as Thieves (series reread) - 10/10 = A+
8. Lumberjanes #16: Mind over Mettle (series read) - 10/10 = A+
9. Pilgrimage (Green Dragon 1001 Fantasy Books) - 7/10 = C
10. Each Tiny Spark (Schneider Honor Book) - 7/10 = C
11. The House on the Borderland (Green Dragon 1001 Fantasy list) - 6/10 = D
12. Beyond Religion (books on Buddhism) - 9/10 = A
13. Outlander (romance list) - 6/10 = D
14. Commodore Perry in the Land of the Shogun (Newbery Honor Book) - 7/10 = C
15. Far Away Across the Sea (1001 Children's Books) - 10/10 = A+

4scaifea
Ene 14, 1:30pm

My buddies, Charlie & Mario:



5scaifea
Editado: Ene 14, 1:52pm

As requested by Jim, here are the specific citations for my Classical Mythology course readings, sorted by lecture topic:

The Gods and Their Traits
Metamorphoses:
1.602-802 (Jupiter & Io)
2.445-592 (Jupiter & Callisto)
2.925-971 (Jupiter & Europa)
3.268-342 (Jupiter & Semele)
3.343-370 (Jupiter, Juno, & Teiresias)
4.189-211 (Mars & Venus)
10.259-331 (Pygmalion)
1.470-601 (Apollo & Daphne)
3.148-267 (Diana & Actaeon)
6.163-360(Diana, Apollo & Niobe)
2.756-790 (Mercury & Battus)
6.1-162 (Minerva & Arachne)

Creation and Succession
Theogony & Works and Days (all of both - they're not long)
Metamorphoses 1.1-453 (Creation, The Ages, The Flood)

Nymphs, Satyrs, Centaurs, and Other Type Creatures
Metamorphoses:
3.371-561 (Echo & Narcissus)
4.321-424 (Salmacis & Hermaphroditus)
12.247-616 (Lapiths v. Centaurs)

Initiation Rites & Mystery Cults
Homeric Hymns: The Hymn to Demeter
Metamorphoses: 10, 11.1-91 (Orpheus)
Euripides' Bacchae
(We'll also look back at the stories of Io, Callisto, and Europa in the Metamorphoses)

Death and the Underworld
The Odyssey: 11
The Aeneid: 6

Heroes I: Hercules, Theseus, Jason, & Perseus
Metamorphoses:
4.669-901 & 5.1-289 (Perseus)
7.1-486 (Jason)
9.1-304 (Heracles)

Heroes II: Oedipus
Oedipus Rex
Antigone

Heroes III: The Trojan War
The Iliad: 1-3, 6, 22, 24

Heroes IV: Homecomings: Agamemnon & Odysseus
Oresteia
The Odyssey 1, 9-10, 21-23

Women in Myth
Metamorphoses: 6.472-780 (Procne & Philomela)
The Aeneid: 7.958-end & 11.530-end (Camilla (The real Wonder Woman))
Euripides' Electra & Medea
(We'll revisit the following here, too: Jupiter & Io, Jupiter & Callisto, Jupiter & Europa, Jupiter & Semele, Apollo & Daphne, Works & Days, The Odyssey)

Myth in Greek Drama
The Frogs
(And we'll revisit all the previous plays we're read here, too)

The Roman Hero
The Aeneid: 1-2, 4, 6, 8.694-844, 12

Myth in History
Herodotus' The Histories: Book 1
Livy's The Early History of Rome: Book 1

A Return to Heroes, Ovid-Style
The Heroides: Ariadne to Theseus & Medea to Jason

Myth in Satire
The Apocolocyntosis

Modern Retellings
The Sandman: The Kindly Ones

NB: The line number citations for the Metamorphoses and The Aeneid are based on Stanley Lombardo's translations and will vary between other translations.

6MickyFine
Ene 14, 1:37pm

Happy new one, Amber!

7katiekrug
Ene 14, 1:41pm

New thread greetings, Amber!

8PersephonesLibrary
Ene 14, 1:51pm

Don't mind me .. just passing through.

9ffortsa
Ene 14, 1:53pm

>5 scaifea: goodie. No guarantees I'll keep up, but I do miss school.

10scaifea
Ene 14, 1:53pm

>5 scaifea: Hi, Micky! And hello there, Dean...

>6 MickyFine: Hi, Katie!

>7 katiekrug: Kathy: Ha! I love it!

11scaifea
Ene 14, 1:54pm

>9 ffortsa: Judy: Ha! It's not an assignment, of course, but I'm happy to chat with anyone who reads any of it. I'll probably be posting some of it as counting toward my year's total, anyway.

12Crazymamie
Ene 14, 1:58pm

Happy newness, Amber!

>5 scaifea: Thanks for this!

13figsfromthistle
Ene 14, 2:00pm

Happy 3rd thread!!

14scaifea
Editado: Ene 14, 2:01pm

>12 Crazymamie: Thanks, Mamie - and you're welcome!

>13 figsfromthistle: Thank you!

15drneutron
Ene 14, 2:08pm

Happy new thread! Thanks for posting the list - I've saved it for future reference.

16scaifea
Ene 14, 2:09pm

>15 drneutron: You're welcome, Jim!

17ChelleBearss
Ene 14, 3:20pm

Happy new thread!

18quondame
Ene 14, 3:23pm

Happy new thread!

20avatiakh
Ene 14, 4:22pm

Happy New Thread. I really enjoyed Martin Millar's comical The Goddess of Buttercups & Daisies about Aristophanes and his comedy 'Peace'.

21jnwelch
Ene 14, 4:45pm

Happy New Thread, Amber!

Lovely calm photo up top.

I left my favorite literary character on your last thread: Lizzie Bennet.

22scaifea
Ene 14, 4:58pm

>20 avatiakh: Ha! That looks interesting.

>21 jnwelch: Hi Joe! And thanks!

23FAMeulstee
Ene 14, 5:26pm

Happy new thread, Amber!

>5 scaifea: Thanks for sharing. I see I am well on my way with having read Metamorphoses, The Iliad, The Odyssey, and The Aeneid, in Dutch translation of course. Euripides and Herodotus are on my list, will look for the others.

24thornton37814
Ene 14, 5:37pm

Happy new thread! You are doing well on your 2021 reading.

25scaifea
Ene 14, 5:38pm

>23 FAMeulstee: Well done, Anita! You're in for a real treat with Herodotus and Euripides, then.

>24 thornton37814: Thanks, Lori!

26RebaRelishesReading
Ene 14, 5:40pm

3rd thread already! You go girl!!

27scaifea
Ene 14, 6:29pm

28PaulCranswick
Ene 14, 6:34pm

>27 scaifea: Happy number three, Amber. Great to see your thread so buzzin' this year. xx

29justchris
Ene 15, 2:43am

Wow. I get busy/locked out of my computer a few days, and I miss a whole thread of yours! Glad I made it to #3 before this too shall pass.

30scaifea
Ene 15, 6:52am

>28 PaulCranswick: Thanks, Paul! You'll be starting your #3 soon, I suspect, if you haven't already...

>29 justchris: No worries. It's not as if you've missed crucial content here. *grins*

31scaifea
Ene 15, 6:58am

Today's agenda:
Grocery pickup, weekly bill sorting, some baking, some reading.

I did manage to get started on the CAP course proposal yesterday and I'm happy with how it's going so far. Not sure that I'll work on it again until Monday, but I'm glad to be over the starting bump with it.

On the reading front:
I read a few pages in The Book Thief and Each Tiny Spark yesterday. I think today's reading time may be spent with Return of the Thief.

What We're Watching:
An episode of GBBS, one of Arrow, and one of the Mary Berry home cook show last night.

32msf59
Ene 15, 7:21am

Happy Friday, Amber! Happy New Thread! All ready on #3? You go girl! Rockin' in the new year.

33scaifea
Ene 15, 7:50am

>32 msf59: Morning, Mark! And thanks!

34katiekrug
Ene 15, 8:40am

I'm glad to be over the starting bump with it.

Yes. This is always the hardest part for me. Once I start, even with the teeny-tiniest step, the stress melts away.

35scaifea
Ene 15, 8:45am

>34 katiekrug: Katie: Right? Brains. So silly.

36Crazymamie
Ene 15, 11:05am

Morning, Amber! Happy Friday!

37scaifea
Ene 15, 11:19am

>36 Crazymamie: Morning, Mamie! WOOT for Friday!!

38MickyFine
Ene 15, 12:20pm

Glad you got started and it went well.

Which season of Arrow are you on?

39scaifea
Ene 15, 12:31pm

>38 MickyFine: Thanks, Micky!

I'm about halfway through season three, but Tomm started later, so when we watch together on Thursdays, we're still in season one.

40MickyFine
Ene 15, 1:13pm

>39 scaifea: I will always have a soft spot for season one because it's one of the first shows Mr. Fine and I started watching together when we were dating. Also, so much Felicity charm in season one. Three is a pretty good season. We're on season 6 and while I still adore Felicity, I'm probably enjoying the show least of all the Arrowverse shows right now. So much angst and baggage, which you love on SPN, so I assume you'll love this season. ;)

41scaifea
Ene 15, 1:45pm

>40 MickyFine: Felicity is the best! I love her. And yeah, I'm well versed in angst, so I'm sure it'll be okay.

42MickyFine
Ene 15, 1:48pm

43scaifea
Ene 15, 1:53pm

>42 MickyFine: Same, Felicity, same. Now if only I could look that good while being a spaz...

44MickyFine
Ene 15, 1:58pm

>43 scaifea: Right?!

45scaifea
Ene 15, 2:00pm

>44 MickyFine: YES. It's ridiculous how adorable she always manages to be. And her wardrobe is amazing!

46scaifea
Editado: Ene 16, 10:51am

This week's Friday After School Treat is Mr. Goodbars:



Soooo healthy. Special K cereal, corn syrup, sugar, peanut butter, butterscotch chips, chocolate chips. Sooooo delicious.

Recipe:
Ingredients:
• 6 cups Special K cereal
• 1 cup light corn syrup
• 1 cup sugar
• 1 ½ cups peanut butter
• 6 oz. semi-sweet chocolate chips
• 6 oz. butterscotch chips

1. In large pan over high heat boil syrup and sugar, stirring constantly.
2. Remove from heat and stir in peanut butter until smooth.
3. Stir in cereal.
4. Press into 9x13-inch pan.
5. Melt together chocolate and butterscotch chips; spread over top of cereal layer.
6. Cut as soon as topping is set.

I can never wait for the chocolate to set, as is clear from the photo...
Also, I highly recommend spraying your pans with cooking spray first, which will make it *much* easier to clean (corn syrup is The Actual Devil to wash out).
I've had this recipe forever and have no recollection of its provenance. I think maybe a friend in grad school gave it to me?

47katiekrug
Ene 15, 2:10pm

Special K is healthy(ish)!

48Crazymamie
Ene 15, 2:24pm

>46 scaifea: Yes, please!

49PersephonesLibrary
Ene 15, 2:29pm

>46 scaifea: The beauty of it! 😍

50scaifea
Ene 15, 2:59pm

>47 katiekrug: Katie: *snork!* #truth

>48 Crazymamie: Help yourself, Mamie!

>49 PersephonesLibrary: Kathy: *big grin*

51MickyFine
Ene 15, 3:15pm

>45 scaifea: I know. I want at least half her dresses.

>46 scaifea: Mmmm, I'll take a piece please.

>47 katiekrug: Excellent source of fibre. ;)

52scaifea
Ene 15, 3:58pm

>51 MickyFine: I also wouldn't mind having the body that could fit into those dresses...but not enough to stop eating things like >46 scaifea:

53johnsimpson
Ene 15, 5:13pm

Hi Amber my dear, happy new thread. Hope all is well with you, Tomm and Charlie, we had snowfall yesterday and it was a decent amount for a change. Today has been icy with freezing fog and snow is forecast from midnight until 6 pm tomorrow so i may have to get my shovel out to clear a path down the driveway so that i can take Karen to work.

Sending love and hugs to you all from both of us dear friend.

54scaifea
Ene 15, 5:22pm

>53 johnsimpson: Hi, John! Oh, I envy you that snow. We had some flurries today but nothing stuck. Gah.

55fairywings
Ene 15, 7:14pm

Happy new thread Amber

56scaifea
Ene 16, 8:38am

>55 fairywings: Thank you!

57scaifea
Ene 16, 8:45am

On the agenda for today:
A bit of laundry, a bit of baking, maybe some sewing, definitely some reading.

I tried a new pancake recipe this morning, which was essentially banana bread as pancake, and it was good, but a little too sweet (and that's saying something coming from me). In future I'll just stick with making french toast out of leftover actual banana bread, I think.

I'm going to to another new recipe today, this one for Peanut Butter Icebox Dessert. Suuuper healthy: a crushed NutterButter base, then layers of chocolate pudding and Cool Whip. #HealthyLiving

Tomm's in charge of dinner tonight, and I've been informed that the menu consists of cheeseburgers and tater tots.

In the sewing room, I'm still working on piecing together a quilt for our bed, so I may try to get more squares done today before occupying the rocking chair with a cup of tea and Outlander.

On the reading front:
I made some progress with Return of the Thief (*so* good, because of course it is), Each Tiny Spark (hasn't really sparked yet for me, but I'm only about 1/4 through), and A Promised Land (I only listen to about 10 minutes a day right now, so it's really slow going, but I'm also really enjoying it).

What We're Watching:
Old Graham Norton episodes last night. Comfort watching.

58katiekrug
Ene 16, 8:49am

Cheeseburgers and tater tots sounds pretty darn good. I love tater tots. One of my friends/colleagues, who is British but lives in Dubai, had never experienced the glory of tater tots until I introduced her when she was over here several years ago. She is now obsessed. And she called me from Dubai on the day she found a bag of Ore-Ida tater tots in her local supermarket. We were reminiscing about this just yesterday over Teams chat during yesterday's boring meeting :)

59scaifea
Ene 16, 8:51am

>58 katiekrug: Tater tots are one of life's delights, really. It's God's Own Work you're doing, spreading the good word about them, Katie.

60katiekrug
Ene 16, 9:02am

I try...

62katiekrug
Ene 16, 9:27am

Accurate.

63ChelleBearss
Ene 16, 9:29am

>57 scaifea: Love Tomm's dinner idea! I adore tatertots but Chloe dislikes them. I think she is the only kid in the world that dislikes tatertots!

64scaifea
Ene 16, 9:32am

>62 katiekrug: Katie: *snork!* Agreed.

>63 ChelleBearss: Chelle: WHAT. How?!

65katiekrug
Ene 16, 9:33am

>63 ChelleBearss: - Does. Not. Compute.

66scaifea
Ene 16, 9:42am

67ChelleBearss
Ene 16, 9:44am

>64 scaifea: >65 katiekrug: >66 scaifea: Ha! I tell her all the time that it's weird! But I can get her to eat salmon or greek salad. She's an adorable oddball.

68scaifea
Ene 16, 9:46am

>67 ChelleBearss: She actually sounds a lot like Charlie, who will happily eat vegetables before anything else. (But he does like tater tots)

69ChelleBearss
Ene 16, 9:49am

>68 scaifea: Yeah, she is all about whatever her teachers say and they learned about healthy eating and eating their healthy choices from her lunchpail first. So she will happily eat her fruits and veggies.
I just got Ellie to eat broccoli. She won't eat it unless it's cut up tiny and how dare I even think about putting cheese on it!!
Feeding these weird kids is a full time job!

70katiekrug
Ene 16, 9:53am

>68 scaifea: - Tater tots are a vegetable.

71Crazymamie
Ene 16, 9:59am

This conversation is taking me back. When Rae was little she would not eat any of the things that kids are supposed to love - no mac n cheese, no peanut butter and jelly, no pizza.. I thought maybe they sent the wrong baby home with me, but it was too late to return her because we had fallen in love with her, so we just had to persevere.

Katie is right. Tater tots are a vegetable.

72scaifea
Ene 16, 10:21am

>69 ChelleBearss: Chelle: Ha! Yeah, Charlie too that Healthy Eating lesson in school right to heart and early, and he's stuck with it. I love that he enjoys healthy foods, but it does make me feel bad about my own crappy eating habits...

>70 katiekrug: Katie: *SNORK!!*

>71 Crazymamie: Mamie: Aw, Rae! I love it!!

73thornton37814
Ene 16, 10:41am

Cheeseburgers and tater tots works. However, I'm craving onion rings. I am not certain if I have an onion on hand or not. They are so easy to make from scratch. I wonder how they would work in the air fryer? I guess I'll see how adventurous I get if I have an onion on hand.

74scaifea
Ene 16, 10:46am

>73 thornton37814: Even one bite of anything with onions in sends Tomm on a trip to the ER, so no onions allowed in our house, sadly. Best of luck with the air fryer adventure - I bet it'll work pretty well.

75katiekrug
Ene 16, 10:51am

>73 thornton37814: - Lori, I think onion rings would be great in the air fryer. I haven't tried it yet, but SKinnytaste.com has a recipe for them, I believe. Do report back, please! I luuuurve onion rings.

76scaifea
Ene 16, 10:52am

I've added the recipe to >46 scaifea: if anyone is interested in following my #healthyliving diet.

77scaifea
Ene 16, 10:52am

>74 scaifea: Katie: I still haven't decided whether to buy an air fryer or not. *tsk*

78katiekrug
Ene 16, 10:55am

>77 scaifea: - I say go for it, though I know you're worried about space. But I am famous for being super gung-ho about things and then never using them again, so...... ?

79katiekrug
Ene 16, 10:55am

I really liked tater tots in the AF, if that helps :)

80scaifea
Ene 16, 10:57am

>78 katiekrug: Ha! Yeah, I'm the same, hence the hesitation this time. But Tomm is also interested in an air fryer, so we probably will do it eventually.

>79 katiekrug: *SNORK!* YAS!!

81Crazymamie
Ene 16, 11:00am

OH!! The recipe - thanks for that! Totally making those.

I also love onion rings, so if someone does them in the air fryer I need to know about it.

82scaifea
Ene 16, 11:26am

>81 Crazymamie: You're welcome, Mamie! Please report back on how you like 'em.

I love onion rings, too, but only get them occasionally when we go out to eat (=not at all lately, of course). I'm academically interested in others' air fryer ring results, though.

83RebaRelishesReading
Ene 16, 11:50am

I did Brussels Sprouts in the AF at Christmas and was most pleased -- easy, healthy and very, very tasty. I bought so broccolini yesterday, you're now making me wonder how that would do...

84scaifea
Ene 16, 11:53am

>83 RebaRelishesReading: Not sure how your actual healthy stuff fits in with my thread, Reba...

(Kidding! I actually love brussel sprouts and broccoli.)

85MickyFine
Ene 16, 11:58am

*whispers* I don't like tater tots. They have a weird aftertaste.

Icebox cake sounds delicious though.

86scaifea
Ene 16, 12:12pm

>85 MickyFine: Micky: I think it's more normal for adults not to care for them, so you're good.

Icebox dessert is in the icebox now, so we'll see how it tastes for dinner dessert.

88jayde1599
Editado: Ene 16, 12:23pm

The youngest is a really healthy eater - any veggies and fruits but her weakness is chips and onion dip. The oldest is more picky with veggies in the original form but will try most recipes. They are meh in tater tots.

Air fryer = amazing. It is up there with the InstaPot for our most used small appliances.

89jnwelch
Ene 16, 12:43pm

Morning/Afternoon, Amber.

Oh, The Book Thief! We love that book. We were just talking about it. It sounds like you're early on, but I hope you end up getting a full heart from the read. I asked Debbi your favorite literary character question, and she said, Liesel from The Book Thief. That's another one on my "really want to re-read" list.

90quondame
Ene 16, 1:06pm

>85 MickyFine: I think it's the aftertaste, which to me is very strong, that is addictive. I'm not a fan now, but there was a time...

91scaifea
Ene 16, 1:27pm

>88 jayde1599: Charlie is definitely not a fan of chips/crisps, which is also strange for a kiddo, I think.

>89 jnwelch: I am really enjoying it so far, Joe. Interesting that Debbi chose Liesel - I love her to bits, but I don't know that she's in my top 10 favorites. So far, at least.

>90 quondame: Interesting. I don't experience an aftertaste, really.

92SandDune
Ene 16, 2:31pm

When Jacob was young he absolutely refused to eat any of the gooey stuff that is usually served at children’s birthday parties, like birthday cake. And he did raise a few eyebrows aged 5 when he ordered the cheese board rather than any dessert when we out for Sunday lunch one time. Stilton was fine, gooey puddings were most definitely not.

93scaifea
Ene 16, 2:56pm

>92 SandDune: Rhian: Ha! Sounds just like Charlie!

94katiekrug
Ene 16, 3:10pm

>85 MickyFine:, >86 scaifea:

Micky: I think it's more normal for adults not to care for them, so you're good.

No, this is also wrong. Micky, I am concerned that you have only had sub-par tater tots. Otherwise you would delight in the crunchy and pillowy texture contrast of God's Most Perfect Food.

95rosalita
Ene 16, 3:27pm

I really resent that every thread I've visited this morning (OK, yours and Katie's) is chock full of chatter about delicious-sounding food, and as far as I can tell nobody is coming to Iowa to make me some! Sheesh, some people.

96scaifea
Ene 16, 3:51pm

>94 katiekrug: *SNORK!* I was trying to be nice and inclusive, Katie. Cripes.

>95 rosalita: Julia: Ha! I guess you just need to take matters into your own hands and make yourself some tots.

97rosalita
Ene 16, 3:57pm

>96 scaifea: On it! I have some Ore-Ida Crowns in the freezer, which are just flat tater tots, essentially.

98katiekrug
Editado: Ene 16, 4:11pm

>96 scaifea: - I have VERY strong opinions about food.

>97 rosalita: - Oooh, crowns are deeee-lightful! Sometimes I prefer them to tots because of the crisp to fluff ration...

*ponders whether I should invest less energy in thinking about potato products...*

99rosalita
Ene 16, 4:20pm

>98 katiekrug: Yes! The crisp-to-fluff ratio is the main attraction for me with those. Sometimes I want the extra fluff of an honest-to-goodness tater tot, but if you offer me either, I'm happy.

* I think your potato-production cognitive effort is on point, personally.

100katiekrug
Ene 16, 4:32pm

>99 rosalita: - *fist bump*

101scaifea
Ene 16, 5:30pm

>97 rosalita: >98 katiekrug: >99 rosalita: Crowns are actually what we're having tonight. We prefer them to the full tot as well. Clearly we all have extremely sophisticated potato palates.

102rosalita
Ene 16, 5:35pm

>101 scaifea: Clearly!

103katiekrug
Ene 16, 5:56pm

>103 katiekrug: - Women of refined taste...

104drneutron
Ene 16, 6:43pm

Hmmm. Missed the tot topic. Mmmmm, good!

105scaifea
Ene 17, 8:46am

>102 rosalita: >103 katiekrug: *raises champagne flute of Hawaiian Punch to toast*

>104 drneutron: Tot discussions are welcome at any time here, Jim.

106scaifea
Ene 17, 8:50am

Today's agenda:
House cleaning (gross), a bit of sewing, some baking (pan rolls to go with tonight's dinner: meatloaf, mashed potatoes, and cooked carrots), and then afternoon reading.

On the reading front:
Outlander day yesterday. It's coming along and I'm enjoying it so far, but dang, it is *long.* My eyes go a bit cross-eyed at the clan details.

What' We're Watching:
My pick last night, so I introduced Charlie to Hook. Love that movie. I cry every time when Wendy says, "Hello, boy." *sigh*

107scaifea
Ene 17, 9:01am

So, we're in desperate need of new cooking pans. I am completely done with non-stick stuff, so any suggestions for quality stainless steel cookware?

108MickyFine
Ene 17, 9:24am

>106 scaifea: Yup, all of Claire and Jamie's adventures are doorstoppers but there's a lot of good stuff in all those pages. If you're drowning in clan info I'm assuming you're in the section with the gathering?

109scaifea
Ene 17, 9:29am

>108 MickyFine: Micky: I'm beyond that bit now and into the, um, married bliss section. But they come up for air occasionally and then Jaime yammers on about his family and the pickle he's in between the clans? Or something? I try to pay attention and then I get distracted by the vision of him pulling Claire's head to his shoulder and...*sigh*

110MickyFine
Ene 17, 10:32am

>109 scaifea: Ah yes the "I come from a long line of hot and irresistible Scots now let us snog" section ;). Enjoy!

111PaulCranswick
Ene 17, 10:34am

I will also read Outlander and Dragonfly in Amber this year. Love love love the TV series.

Have a great weekend, Amber.

112scaifea
Ene 17, 10:42am

>110 MickyFine: Micky: *SNORK!* Exactly.

>111 PaulCranswick: I may have to give the show a try at some point, Paul.

113rosalita
Editado: Ene 17, 12:25pm

>107 scaifea: As someone whose primary relationship to the kitchen is the freezer and the toaster oven, I have no useful recommendations other than to point you toward my favorite review-type site: https://www.nytimes.com/wirecutter/kitchen-dining/cookware/

I appreciate the way they take the time to explain what their criteria is and why it's important, so I can decide whether I agree with their recommendations or not. Something like this, combined with the excellent advice you will get here, should see you through!

And if not, there's always the toaster oven ...

114scaifea
Ene 17, 11:46am

>113 rosalita: OhmyGOSH, Julia, that's an amazing site!! Thanks so much! I think it will be extremely helpful.

115lauralkeet
Ene 17, 12:32pm

>113 rosalita: Ooh, I love wirecutter too. They've helped me make many a decision. We don't really *need* new cookware yet but I will still watch this topic with interest.

116scaifea
Ene 17, 1:11pm

>115 lauralkeet: Laura: It seems like a pretty great site - I'm definitely bookmarking it for future use, too.

117scaifea
Ene 17, 1:23pm



10. Each Tiny Spark by Pablo Cartaya (Schneider Honor Book) - 7/10 = C
Emilia Torres has ADHD, which causes attention issues for her at school. The struggle gets more challenging when her mother leaves for a week-long business trip and at the same time her father returns from an 8-month deployment with the Marines and she finds her relationship with him awkward and strained. Throw in a well-meaning but overbearing grandmother, and things get stressful. Also, Emilia and her best friend, Gus, deal with the rippling repercussions of their town's plan to rezone the school districts and the racial issues this dredges up.
While I am a *huge* fan of the recent trend for more #ownvoices and broader diversity and representation in MG and YA books, this one doesn't work for me. There are *so* many Big Issues crammed in here (Emilia's ethnicity, her ADHD, her father's mental health post-deployment, the town redistricting, issues of class and race and acceptance at school,...) and all of them are battling for attention, that the book seems to be 10,000 After-School Specials all at once. Add to this the forced and clunky dialogue, which is just a half-step from "Oh. Look. A. Poor. Old. Hispanic. Man. Living. On. The. Poor. Side. Of. Town." "Yes. That's. Sad. And. Unfair." and you have a bit of an unfortunate mess. There are so many books out there now that are getting it right - representation across all the spectra, but well-written and not forced, and the best of them make that representation NBD - but I'm afraid this one misses the mark.

118scaifea
Ene 17, 6:16pm



11. The House on the Borderland by William Hope Hodgson (Green Dragon 1001 Fantasy list) - 6/10 = D
If Edgar Allan Poe and George Romero had a child in whom they were both slightly disappointed because he had fallen in with Stanley Kubrick and lots of psychedelic substances, it would be this book. A fever dream populated with possibly time-travelling pig men, a house that seems to be a portal through time and space, and the sad death of not one but TWO dogs. Weird in a definitely not good way. So yeah, that's a big NOPE from me.

119katiekrug
Ene 17, 7:17pm

>118 scaifea: - Hard pass from me.

But I love your opening line!

120MickyFine
Ene 17, 7:39pm

Excellent review of what sounds like a bad book. Nicely done, Amber.

121scaifea
Ene 18, 8:35am

>119 katiekrug: Yeah, spare yourself, Katie.

And thanks!

>120 MickyFine: Thanks, Micky!

122scaifea
Editado: Ene 18, 8:40am

Today's Agenda:
It's my last real vacation day (classes don't start for me until Wednesday, but I'll spend tomorrow working anyway) and I didn't sleep well last night, so today will be filled with Not Much At All, aka sitting in my rocking chair with a book and lots of tea. Peanut Soup and a big salad for dinner tonight, I think.

On the reading front:
After finishing up the Hodgson, I read a bit of Outlander and started Commodore Perry in the Land of the Shogun. I also listen to a small chunk of A Promised Land, which is a lovely listen so far.

What We're Watching:
Charlie's pick last night, so more Gilmore Girls. Rory has moved into the pool house and everyone is making bad decisions. We're moving into The Dark Days of GG - not my favorite part.

123Crazymamie
Ene 18, 9:17am

Morning, Amber! I love your review, and I gave it my thumb. I also did not sleep well last night, and I am grumpy because of it. And because Monday.

124scaifea
Ene 18, 9:20am

>123 Crazymamie: Morning, Mamie! And thanks!

And yeah, I think I may be a little on the less-sunshiny side of things today, too. Blech. But also? It's not *really* Monday since it's a break day - it's Second Sunday.

125rosalita
Ene 18, 10:34am

Speaking of Mondays, I don't have to work today but was looking forward to doing some LibraryThing work this morning, including writing a couple of reviews and some general catalog tidying up. So of course, my internet connection is down. >:(

But then I discovered I can use my phone as a hotspot so I am temporarily less grumpy. I'm sure it won't last, because Monday.

Enjoy your day of Not Much At All, Amber!

126scaifea
Ene 18, 10:36am

>125 rosalita: Oh, yuck, Julia. I hope your internets are up and running again soon.

127rosalita
Ene 18, 10:37am

>126 scaifea: Me, too!

128katiekrug
Ene 18, 11:14am

Enjoy your Day of Nothing!

129MickyFine
Ene 18, 11:32am

Envious of your Day of Nothing. Enjoy it!

130laytonwoman3rd
Ene 18, 12:11pm

Crispy crowns----GOOOOOD!
Tater tots ------- meh.

I'm still using the stainless steel Revere Ware I received as wedding gifts, and a few more pieces I've inherited from my Mom and my aunt....copper bottoms, and all that. Unfortunately, I don't think the stuff they're making now is as heavy as it used to be, so I don't know that I'd recommend it.

>118 scaifea: "If Edgar Allan Poe and George Romero had a child in whom they were both slightly disappointed because he had fallen in with Stanley Kubrick and lots of psychedelic substances" Well, I'm glad you read this piece of dreck, just so you could write that sentence...

131scaifea
Editado: Ene 18, 1:04pm

>127 rosalita: Julia: Fingers crossed!

>128 katiekrug: >129 MickyFine: Thanks for the good wishes. I wouldn't exactly call it "enjoying" since I'm feeling kind of rotten after the bad night's sleep, but I'm certainly grateful for the day off to rest.

>130 laytonwoman3rd: Linda: Oh, good point: heavy bottoms are essential for certain kinds of pans.

Ha! I'm glad you like my review - sometimes a book is bad enough in just the right way that it inspires a certain eloquence, I guess.

132scaifea
Ene 18, 3:15pm



12. Beyond Religion by H. H. the Dalai Lama (books on Buddhism) - 9/10 = A
I breezed right through this lovely little book on how we need to adjust our thinking about ethics and separate them from our notions of religion, teach them more substantially in our schools, and cultivate them more vigorously in ourselves as individuals. In the first half, he sets out his reasonings for these claims, and then proceeds in the second half to instruct the reader on how to go about the personal cultivation of secular ethics with practical suggestions. I enjoyed this one a good deal, even though it was mostly a case of preaching to an already-devout member of his choir (there wasn't much here that was new to me or that went in any way against my already-held beliefs on the subject). Definitely recommended.

133jjmcgaffey
Ene 18, 4:39pm

>77 scaifea: Note that (according to Consumer Reports among others) a convection toaster oven is one step from an air fryer - and some now have faster fans in "air fry" mode. Unless you have a toaster oven you adore (like me), that's a possibility - not another gadget, but a new gadget that's multi-use.

>107 scaifea: Check out Winco pots - I bought my stockpot at a restaurant supply place. I like my ceramic non-sticks (and the cast iron) for frying pans, but I needed a stainless steel stockpot for making cheese (my stockpots are Calphalon, which is good but aluminum). And now I'm using the Winco pot for just about everything, and thinking about going back and seeing what they have for smaller (less than 8-quart) pans. A 3-quart of this quality, with the heavy bottom, would be very interesting...

There is a thing called veggie tots. AVOID! It sounds like a good idea, but what you get (baked as per instructions) is a slightly crunchy skin over slimy/gooey. Ugh. I _like_ veg, this is not veg _or_ tots.

134katiekrug
Editado: Ene 18, 5:03pm

Totally agree with >133 jjmcgaffey: - Restaurant supply stores are where it's at. You'll get good quality, long-lasting stuff. The Wayne luuuurves them. Also, they have the advantage that you can pick and choose what pieces you want.

I'll put in one good (well, decent) word for veggie tots - they come out pretty well in the air fryer. Still, not as good as God's Most Perfect Food.

135scaifea
Ene 18, 5:03pm

>133 jjmcgaffey: Thanks for the tips, Jennifer! I'll definitely check out the Winco pots, and I've always kind of wanted a toaster oven, too. Clearly I just need a bigger kitchen...

And yeah, I don't think I'd ever be tempted by something called "veggie tots" anyway. Ha!

136scaifea
Ene 18, 5:04pm

>134 katiekrug: Thanks, Katie! Restaurant supply stores seems like an excellent idea. I'll let you hang on to those...veggie...tots, though.

137justchris
Ene 18, 11:15pm

>130 laytonwoman3rd: I agree--that sentence was worth you suffering for the rest of us, Amber.

>132 scaifea: I'd heard good things about this book before. You're the clincher.

>133 jjmcgaffey: Yup, restaurant supply stores can be a great resource. And cheese! I got all excited about getting into making cheese when I developed problems with dairy. I'm starting to think again about making cheese using nut milks a la Plant-Based Cheesemaking. I'm also dabbling with very, very small amounts of dairy cheeses in my diet. I hope your culinary adventures continue unabated.

138RBeffa
Ene 19, 12:30am

Commenting on a book from part two of your thread, I loved Zenna Henderson's Pilgrimage when I read it in early high school. I read many of the People stories. I even still have that original paperback. I've always thought i would re-read it one day. Maybe I should rethink that and preserve those warm fuzzy memories.

>118 scaifea: The House on the Borderland has a generally good reputation and is considered a classic of that weird genre. I have a copy but have not read it. Surely sounds like it was not the book for you.

Oh, revere pots. We still use a set my mother in law gave us 40 years ago. Use it every day and we have a couple extra inherited ones also. We do have some others that get regular use but the reveres are our staple.

139scaifea
Ene 19, 7:01am

>137 justchris: Ha! I'm glad you all are enjoying the review!

Beyond Religion: I can happily recommend every book of his that I've read so far. He always makes excellent points and his sweetness and lovely personality come through in the writing, too. It's always a pleasure.

I'll leave the cheese making to the experts and stick to the cheese eating, at which I am an absolute pro.

>138 RBeffa: Ron: Oh, don't take my word for it on Henderson *or* Hodgson - these are not my favorite genres to begin with, so I'd go with the more common opinions for both of them.
And thanks for chiming in on the Revere pots - they sound like a very good bet.

140scaifea
Ene 19, 7:19am

Today's agenda:
I'm feeling significantly better than yesterday, other than a nasty headache this morning, still. But now Charlie's running a 100.9 fever, so...yeah. No schoolwork for him today; I've dosed him with tylenol and got him set up on the couch with blankets and plenty of water and Disney+ for the day.

I'll look through his school assignments for today and try to figure out how best to arrange the rest of the week to get him caught up (hopefully it's just a 24-hour bug and he'll be back to normal tomorrow). Then I'll double check (for the eleventieth time) that I'm all set for the first day of classes tomorrow and move on to working on the CAP course proposal more. I need to pop into the library at some point today to pick up holds, too.

On the reading front:
After finishing Beyond Religion yesterday, I read another little chunk of The Book Thief, listened to some of A Promised Land while knitting, and finished up Commodore Perry in the Land of the Shogun. I also read more of Outlander, but, well, yeah. I ran up against a dealbreaker for me and after consulting with trusted sources (aka Laura/lycomayflower) on how that particular moment plays out and what's yet to come in the book, I've decided that I'm out. Done. It's not for me. I enjoyed the Hot Historical Guy in a Kilt aspects, and the plot was mildly entertaining, but I'm not in any way nearly close enough to being in the mood right now for the female main character suffering corporal punishment as a matter of course (just nope) and then seemingly coming to terms with it with the "well, he's sort of right I kind of deserved it" logic (NOPENOPENOPE). Maybe some other year when I might be in a more tolerant state of mind for such things? But probably not. So anyway, I'm ditching Outlander. Apologies to everyone who chimed in with their enthusiasm for it - I *am* happy it has fans and that you all love it. It's just not for me, not right now.

141msf59
Ene 19, 7:32am

Morning, Amber! Glad you are feeling better. Sorry to hear that Charlie is not. Do you have Disney+? We watched "Soul" last night and really enjoyed it. Another fun, inventive film from Pixar, plus I am a jazz fan.

142lauralkeet
Ene 19, 7:36am

>140 scaifea: Amber, I've never been drawn to Outlander, so I had no hesitation in clicking on your spoilery comment and have to agree with you.

I hope Charlie rebounds quickly!

143scaifea
Ene 19, 7:41am

>141 msf59: Morning, Mark! We *do* have Disney+, which is how Charlie is spending his morning. We haven't watched Soul yet, though; I'm happy to hear you enjoyed it!

>142 lauralkeet: Laura: I have been curious about Outlander for a few years now, and some patrons at the library had urged me to give it a try, and I'm not regretful that I did since now I know what it's about, at least. But yeah. Not really my cuppa, in the end.

And thanks! Me, too.

144Crazymamie
Ene 19, 9:04am

Morning, Amber! That's where Outlander lost me, too. Hoping Charlie feels better very soon.

145scaifea
Ene 19, 9:11am

>144 Crazymamie: Mamie: Right? It just yanked me right out of the narrative and I had no real desire to dive back in. And thanks! I hope so, too.

146Crazymamie
Ene 19, 9:12am

Yep. Exactly.

147scaifea
Ene 19, 9:13am

>145 scaifea: *fist bump*

148scaifea
Ene 19, 9:15am



14. Commodore Perry in the Land of the Shogun by Rhoda Blumberg (Newbery Honor Book) - 7/10 = C
A fairly dry and more-than-fairly racially dated account of Perry's interactions with the Japanese. For kids. Really not sure how this won a Newbery Honor. Yoicks.

(NB: I'm counting Outlander as my #13 even though I didn't finish it; I did get halfway through, which is 400-some pages, and so Imma count it. *firm head nod*)

149katiekrug
Ene 19, 9:17am

I finished reading Outlander but never went on with the series because who knew what would be laying in wait for me? I didn't care to find out.

150scaifea
Ene 19, 9:30am

>149 katiekrug: I don't blame you, Katie. Just...ooof.

151ChelleBearss
Ene 19, 9:59am

I second the recommendation for Soul! My kids have seen it approximately 10000 times already

152scaifea
Ene 19, 10:04am

>151 ChelleBearss: Chelle: *snork!* Ah, the days of watching the same show over and over and over and over... Charlie seems to be past that now, but for awhile, I had certain movies and tv episodes completely memorized, word for word. And not in a good way.

153MickyFine
Ene 19, 10:48am

Hope Charlie feels better and your headache disappears. Maybe sneaking in to watch some Disney+ with Charlie is in order until it does. ;)

154scaifea
Ene 19, 10:56am

>153 MickyFine: Micky: Ha! Thanks! I may just do that...

155scaifea
Ene 19, 12:17pm

Important Announcement:

I've checked my roster and I now have three students named Grace. In a course on Classical Mythology. Three Graces.

Three. Graces.

This is so hilariously awesome. Clearly it's going to be a good semester.

156drneutron
Ene 19, 1:10pm

😂 Have fun with that!

157MickyFine
Ene 19, 1:22pm

>155 scaifea: Love it!

158RebaRelishesReading
Ene 19, 1:23pm

>155 scaifea: LOL -- love it!!

159RBeffa
Ene 19, 1:36pm

>155 scaifea: That is very good. As Jim says, have fun with that. Post a picture on the wall and see when someone goes "Aha!".

160scaifea
Ene 19, 2:02pm

>156 drneutron: Jim: Oh, I will have *so* much fun with it, but I suspect the actual Three Graces (not to mention the rest of the class) may tire of my jokes about it long before I do. Yay for captive audiences! Ain't no party like a Dr. Scaife party, 'cuz a Dr. Scaife party is - as Liz Lemon says - MANDATORY.

>157 MickyFine: >158 RebaRelishesReading: Right?! It's just too perfect!

>159 RBeffa: Ron: Oh, I'm already deeply considering photoshopping their roster pictures onto a slide of one of the many statues...

161PersephonesLibrary
Ene 19, 2:05pm

I am glad you feel a bit better. Hopefully Charlie will be up and about in no time. Just stopping by to leave a little balloon...

162jnwelch
Ene 19, 2:18pm

Happy Tuesday, Amber.

I love that you're such a The Dalai Lama fan (can't get the touchstone to work). Me, too, although I'm not as widely read in his books as you are.

I hope you and Charlie keep feeling better.

I love your having the Three Graces in your Classical Mythology class!

163scaifea
Ene 19, 2:59pm

>161 PersephonesLibrary: Thanks so much, Käthe! (Did I get that right? I feel like I've been calling you Kathy, and I apologize!) I'm definitely feeling better; Charlie's fever is being stubborn, though, even with meds. We're pushing the fluids and making sure he rests, so fingers crossed it breaks tonight.

>162 jnwelch: Happy Tuesday to you, too, Joe!

It's funny, but I always think of you when I'm reading one of his works, or anything else on Buddhism. *smiles*

Thanks - as I mentioned to Käthe, I'm better, but Charlie's still struggling with that fever, despite the tylenol. Gah.

And I know I'm ridiculously excited about my Three Graces. How great is that?!

164PersephonesLibrary
Ene 19, 3:35pm

>163 scaifea: I listen to both, no worries. I prefer Käthe to Kathy, but I am not sure if US- and UK-keyboards offer an "ä". 🙂

165quondame
Editado: Ene 19, 3:44pm

>140 scaifea: >144 Crazymamie: >149 katiekrug: I got though Outlander. What really blew any interest in continuing, was well, a lot of things really, from such things that made no sense in the historical context, like Jamie not being fully informed about his sister's situation - I mean really, the men would gossip no end - and Jamie's virginity is pretty far fetched. But fighting off wolves prepared to attack a human, with a stick? as well as feeling the sex scenes as more prurient than erotic, but that's a preference issue, but detailed torture/rape - nope. I'm sure there were others, but those were the ones I couldn't scrape from my brain.

166Crazymamie
Ene 19, 3:53pm

Three Graces!! How awesome is that?!

>165 quondame: It's been a long time since I read what I did of it (pre-LT), but what has stuck with me is what Amber mentioned and the too much detail torture/rape that you mention. The older I get, the less tolerant I am of putting stuff into my head that I can't get back out again.

167scaifea
Ene 19, 4:02pm

>165 quondame: I don't have a big problem with the minor historical inconsistencies (it is historical *fiction* after all and I think that allows for license), but yeah to the other stuff.

>166 Crazymamie: RIGHT?! I mean. Just. *happy sigh*

The older I get, the less tolerant I am of putting stuff into my head that I can't get back out again. Oh, this exactly, Mamie. EXACTLY.

168FAMeulstee
Ene 19, 5:26pm

I finished Outlander, I can't handle not finishing a book ;-)
Then I even read the second, but that was definitly the last one, it was even worse in all those parts as the first one was :-(

I hope Charlie feels better soon.

Three Graces, that is awesome!

169scaifea
Ene 19, 5:50pm

>168 FAMeulstee: I used to be that way about finishing books, too, Anita, so I understand the feeling. But oof, the second was worse than the first? Yoicks.

Thanks for the Charlie well-wishes! I'm hoping the fever breaks tonight.

And right?! Here's hoping they stay Graces and don't turn into Fates or Furies...

170laytonwoman3rd
Ene 19, 6:01pm

Pfooey on Charlie's lingering fever. I suppose Mom's nursing makes HIM feel just dandy, though.

Three Graces, huh? Any chance somebody is pulling the teacher's leg?

171jayde1599
Editado: Ene 19, 6:55pm

>166 Crazymamie: >169 scaifea: The reasons you mentioned for not finishing Outlander is why I can not watch the tv show even though I have read all the books in the series. Reading it is one thing but watching it is a completely different story!
And I read them about a decade and a half ago when certain things were less bothersome. It’s weird how as I age I am more bothered by certain genres (horror = a big nope now).

172Crazymamie
Ene 19, 6:44pm

>171 jayde1599: Visual is definitely more of an impact for me, so I get that. My reading habits have also changed over the years. There are loads of things that I used to read that no longer appeal to me or that I can no longer stomach. I feel like I have reached my limits on some things and on others I am just at a different place because I am a different person. My life experiences have changed who I am as a reader and how I think about what I put into me. I know what my triggers are and what I need to avoid in order to sleep at night. It's not a judgement on any particular genre, more of an understanding about what certain content makes me feel.

173scaifea
Ene 19, 8:34pm

>170 laytonwoman3rd: Linda: Fever's still hanging in there, which means middle-of-the-night checks, which means me and not Tomm, I suspect. Motherhood. (Not that I'm complaining, mind - it's not as if I'll sleep well anyway, fretting about him.)

And no, I don't think there's leg-pulling, unless it goes registrar-deep. There are three Graces on the official roster.

>171 jayde1599: I'm the same with horror - 15 years ago I loved it and now I can't stomach it at all. And yeah, I think I'll give the show a hard pass, even though Jaime looks pretty watchable on his own...

>172 Crazymamie: I agree with all of that, Mamie. Some of the age thing is more experience rather than just simple age; over time, you read broadly enough to know where those boundaries are and how not to cross them. Well said, you!

174justchris
Ene 19, 9:11pm

>173 scaifea: Sorry to hear Charlie's fever is persisting. Hopefully it subsides tonight.

I'm with the rest of you on being choosier about what I put into my eyeballs. No Outlander or Game of Thrones or Breaking Bad or any number of other popular franchises for me. It's not like I'm gonna run out of things to read/watch without them.

I went looking for The Landmark Herodotus and came home with The Landmark Julius Caesar. Excited to dig into it later this year!

175lauralkeet
Ene 19, 9:24pm

I love the Three Graces. I can't wait for class to start now.

176jjmcgaffey
Ene 19, 10:19pm

I've had several of the Outlander series sitting around for...years. My stopper was, I have serious problems with time-travel romance in general; I think I got two or three chapters in to Outlander itself once before I got stopped (he wouldn't have known that! She shouldn't have recognized that!) (I don't actually remember what the stopper was, but that's the general type of thing).

Given your comments...I think I'm just going to preemptively Pearl Rule the lot. I don't care how good the writing is (I have no idea, but given how many people love it it probably is pretty good), I think this goes past my limits.

177BekkaJo
Ene 20, 5:46am

>155 scaifea: HAAAHAAAAA!

Awesome :)

178scaifea
Ene 20, 7:00am

>174 justchris: Thanks, Chris. He's slowly getting better, I think.

You know, I'm with you on Breaking Bad (just...no), but I actually read all the Game of Thrones books and loved them. Makes no sense really, but there you are. I will not, however, even attempt the show.

And woot for Herodotus and Caesar!! They're both *such* a good time. And Caesar's writing style is amazing. Remind me sometime to tell you how he changed up his Latin at key moments in what is nothing short of one of the most brilliant political literary moves in history. The man was a lot of things, but genius is definitely close to the top of the list.

>175 lauralkeet: Hi, Laura! Right?! I feel there's a novel in there somewhere...

179scaifea
Ene 20, 7:04am

>176 jjmcgaffey: Morning, Jennifer! Yeah, you've got to relax your accuracy radar quite a bit to really enjoy time travel stuff. But, if we're willing to believe that someone actually travels through time, it seems a small concession to also look the other way at a few historical inaccuracies.
As far as the writing goes, it's okay, but not something that will mean your life will be somehow less if you skip it. So.

>177 BekkaJo: Agreed, Bekka. So very awesome. I'm pretty excited to get to know this group - I mean, they're already cracking me up!

180jayde1599
Ene 20, 7:12am

>178 scaifea: Yup, I also read some of the GoT books and even the GN versions. DH and I tried 1 episode of the show and could not even finish it. Just can’t do it.
I am reading Duma Key right now, so I can do the supernatural scary - just not the bloodbath, rape, torture scary. And also no animal killing. That is my line.

181scaifea
Ene 20, 7:12am

Today's Agenda:
Our thermometer claims that Charlie is still running a slight fever this morning, even though it assured me throughout the night that he was back to normal and even though he doesn't feel warm to me this morning. And he says he feels better. So. I'm going to keep him dosed with Tylenol today and he's going to start the school day and we'll see how it goes. If at any time he starts feeling not good again, he knows he can stop. The benefit of online school!

So I'll be keeping an eye on him and helping him here and there to catch up, while also doing my last-minute prepping for classes today.

On the reading front:
Yesterday's reading time was spent with Return of the Thief, which is coming along excellently, and I also started Far Away Across the Sea, which is just gorgeous so far, and listened to a bit more A Promised Land.

What We're Watching:
Tomm had his class last night, so Charlie and I did more Queer Eye catching up. We finished the Japan episodes and started the Philly ones. So good, that show.

182scaifea
Editado: Ene 20, 7:14am

>180 jayde1599: Morning, Jess! I may be able to do supernatural scary still, but I'm not sure I'm willing to try. I used to *love* Stephen King, but then one day suddenly I couldn't take it anymore. He's...too good at what he does. Ha!

ETA: Oh I'm right there with you on the animal thing. I. Can. Not.

183katiekrug
Ene 20, 8:01am

Happy Back to School Day!

184scaifea
Ene 20, 8:23am

>183 katiekrug: Aw, thanks, Katie!

185Crazymamie
Ene 20, 9:12am

Morning, Amber! Hoping first day back goes smoothly for you.

186scaifea
Ene 20, 9:25am

>185 Crazymamie: Thanks, Mamie!

187MickyFine
Ene 20, 10:52am

Happy first day of class, Prof!

188scaifea
Ene 20, 11:03am

>187 MickyFine: Ha! Thanks, Micky!

189scaifea
Ene 20, 11:32am

*puts professorial hat on*

Did you know that "inauguration" comes from a Latin term (because of course it does)?
The verb inaugurare can mean "to take the auguries" or "to consecrate a place or install a person into an official position by means of the auguries."

Taking the auguries meant that certain priests (augurs) would interpret the flight patterns of birds, the eating patterns of certain kinds of birds, lightning strikes, and the appearance (as in how they looked, but them randomly showing up in places) of certain animals (bulls and such). They could also be consulted to interpret any strange or unusual happenings.

Somewhere along the way the actual augury part fell out; I suppose if a person were struck by lightning while taking the oath with hand on religious text, you could take that as a not-great sign, but if it didn't happen four years ago, I think we're probably safe today.

190MickyFine
Ene 20, 11:38am

>189 scaifea: Cool linguistic/history lesson, Amber. Thanks for sharing!

191scaifea
Editado: Ene 20, 11:45am

>190 MickyFine: You're welcome, Micky! I'll be chatting about it (minus the thinly veiled Trump snark) today in my Latin class, so I thought I'd share it here, too.

192MickyFine
Ene 20, 1:20pm

>191 scaifea: Do you do the origin of testify? *giggles*

193scaifea
Editado: Ene 20, 1:39pm

194justchris
Ene 20, 1:53pm

>178 scaifea: I've never read Julius Caesar's writings, and of course this edition is a translation. But I will certainly keep your comment in mind. I have read Herodotus and was really excited about The Landmark Herodotus when it came out based on the reviews but had sticker shock. I was hoping it was more affordable today, but now it's more about availablility.

>189 scaifea: So I've joined some pagan communities in the last few months as I start to explore spiritual paths. I'm particularly interested in Celtic polytheism, hence my recent book purchases. I am fascinated that people still practice divination using these means--birds, various other nature auguries, bones, etc. Admittedly, most use tarot, oracle cards, and/or runes. But fascinating overall! And the other part that's fascinating is all these people reconstructing and reinvesting in these ancient pagan religions: Hellenic, Gallo-Roman, Kemetic, Babylonian, you name it.

>192 MickyFine: Hee!

195Crazymamie
Ene 20, 2:03pm

196scaifea
Ene 20, 2:17pm

>194 justchris: Chris: I'm actually cringing as I say this, but...the nuances of how Caesar uses language to convey political meaning aren't really at all clear in a translation. It's aaaaalllll in the Latin. I'd be happy to talk to you about it once you've read some of his stuff. But what's still there and still completely fabulous is his ethnography of the Druids. So, so cool.

And YES to divination being universally pervasive throughout cultures and time periods! So interesting.

>195 Crazymamie: Mamie: She's clearly not one of my Graces...

197justchris
Ene 20, 2:28pm

>196 scaifea: No need to cringe. I get it. Lots of nuance is lost in translation, for sure. I'll pay extra attention to the content and its attendant prose and see if I can guess where linguistic judo would make an impact.

198scaifea
Ene 20, 2:38pm

>197 justchris: Chris: I worry that I come off sounding like I'm hangin out in my ivory tower, but yeah, you get it.
You *will* be able to pick up some of his tricks, but one in particular won't come across at all. I won't spoil it for you, but I will say that it's in his civil war commentaries and not the Gallic ones.

199lauralkeet
Ene 20, 3:09pm

>189 scaifea: oh cool. I love that kind of stuff.

200scaifea
Ene 20, 3:11pm

>199 lauralkeet: Laura: Right?! So fascinating.

201katiekrug
Ene 20, 3:56pm

Hey Professor Nerd - how's Charlie doing?

202MickyFine
Ene 20, 4:17pm

203quondame
Ene 20, 4:30pm

>179 scaifea: Strangely perhaps, I'm more willing to relax about historical inaccuracies if I'm not already holding my belief suspended for the time travel. Maybe my belief springs are sprung.

>182 scaifea: I think it was Stephen King that Sheri Tepper had in the next cell in hell in Beauty being tortured by the products of his own imagination. Not that it had to be King, there are enough other candidates!

204scaifea
Ene 20, 4:32pm

>201 katiekrug: It's Dr. Nerd, Katie (I'm adjunct now, not tenure track), and he's much better! Fever free, finally!! It's great of you to ask.

And speaking of nerds, he didn't fall far from the nerd tree: he got caught up on the school work he missed *and* did his normal work for today with time to spare. *eye roll* Overachiever.

>202 MickyFine: Don't act like you didn't provoke that.

205scaifea
Ene 20, 4:34pm

>203 quondame: Ha! Fair enough.

And I wouldn't be surprised if that wasn't too far from the truth about King: how can he not have nightmares with a dark imagination like that?

206jjmcgaffey
Ene 20, 4:39pm

>179 scaifea:, >203 quondame: It's not so much historical inaccuracies (though the crested coach in medieval England did cause me to drop the book), as inaccuracies in people and their outlooks. I have, for various reasons and through various methods, been in situations where I had to deal with "primitive" (for very broad definitions of primitive) things - and every time I do it, I'm surprised at what surprises me. I can handle building a fire and chopping wood for a fire and carrying water and so on - but I still slide my hand along the wall every time I walk into a room, looking for the light switch. That kind of thing. So when someone from the past is able to instantly pick up things like that, without any struggle - or when someone from these times immediately picks up habits that fit the time they've landed in - it makes that character ring false. They stop being people and start being author's puppets - and that's the thing that will drive me from a story every time (time travel or no - I don't read much monthly romance these days, because there's way too many puppets there too).

207scaifea
Ene 20, 8:24pm

>206 jjmcgaffey: Good points, Jennifer! I think I'm probably more than a little hypocritical here; I can be pretty tolerant of such things for the sake of the story unless it's in my own field of expertise, and then I tend to get *super* annoyed if someone's chanting Latin incorrectly or get some detail of Roman culture wrong. So yeah.

208bell7
Ene 20, 8:57pm

I am late on the tater tot commentary, but you're making me want to heat up the leftovers from when I made tater tot hotdish a couple of weeks ago and much on the tots... maybe tomorrow, it's a little late to be cooking now.

Hope you're enjoying class with the Three Graces, and glad to hear Charlie's fully mended and *ahem* caught up on his schoolwork. Sounds about right (and something I would've done too).

209quondame
Ene 20, 10:07pm

>206 jjmcgaffey: It's not so much time-travelers adjustments - because how would the story ever end with out a broken skull when our protagonist is saying what's that? I can't make out what you said? would you repeat that? not even getting into idiom drift kind of like how quickly space travelers are able to communicate with new civilizations but the modern sensibilities in historic characters. If you grow up watching bear baiting and cock fighting, not to mention gladiatorial contests, and the only safe drinks are beer or wine, well the shape of the mind that results isn't one I'd feel all that comfortable around. To say nothing of our bizarrely skewed idea of romance and romantic - we can do pretty well back to Jane Austen's era, but mostly we and they'd be aghast at certain norms.

210justchris
Ene 20, 11:20pm

>198 scaifea: Well, I'm ivory tower adjacent, having remained largely connected to the local university since I moved here for grad school, graduated, and continued living here. Since I've spent the last 9 years in academic publishing, I am well familiar with academese, though admittedly, I've been a science geek all my life. And I have a particular interest in translation issues. I'm not educated enough in Latin to attempt to read the original. The translated edition is a massive enough book as it is, that it will take me awhile to work through it.

>204 scaifea: Stuck in adjunct hell! I hope you are not suffering for it. Sounds like not ATM.
Glad Charlie is better.

>206 jjmcgaffey: I'm right there with you. I tried reading Jane and the Ghosts of Netley, and I couldn't even get through the opening chapter of intrepid Jane Austen going off alone to a secret assignation to a naval vessel to get her new assignment as a special agent or something. Like all the no with respect to social norms and constraints on "gently bred females." There is not enough suspension to get me to swallow that one without choking on it. But people love it. Average 4*. Not for me--turns out to be my yuck to their yum.

211scaifea
Ene 21, 7:47am

>209 quondame: It sounds like maybe historical fiction just isn't your genre, eh?

>210 justchris: Actually, adjunct is exactly the perfect job for me. I did the TT thing (passed my tenure review and everything), but chose to leave that position for a handful of reasons and I have no regrets at all. Right now I want something part time that I can do from home, and that doesn't take up that much of my time. In fact, I'm getting paid considerably more to put in considerably less hours now than I was at the PT library gig. And I don't have to wear real pants. I understand that there are major issues with adjunct positions elsewhere, but this one suits me just fine.

212scaifea
Ene 21, 8:01am

Welp, Charlie's running a slight fever again this morning. Less than before, but it's still frustrating. He's decided to push through and try to do some schoolwork, but I suspect he won't put in a full day. I'm leaving it up to him, though, because he's the one who knows how he's really feeling.
My agenda for the day includes keeping a weather eye on him, menu planning and grocery ordering, trying to figure out how to track down my paycheck stubs online (for a bank thing), a bit of course prep, and maybe (hopefully) some reading time this afternoon.

On the reading front:
I didn't get much reading time in yesterday (and won't now on teaching days), but I did manage to start The Daylight Gate and make a little progress with Far Away Across the Sea.

What We're Watching:
Tomm's pick last night, so a couple of Agents of Shield episodes. I think we're getting to the end and it's getting emotional, although the time loop episode was hilarious...until the end...*sob*.

213London_StJ
Ene 21, 8:57am

>155 scaifea: LOL! I love it! What a great sign.

>212 scaifea: I'm so sorry Charlie is still unwell. :( Poor guy

214drneutron
Ene 21, 8:59am

>207 scaifea: “I tend to get *super* annoyed if someone's chanting Latin incorrectly”

So Harry Potter must drive you crazy... 😂

215scaifea
Ene 21, 9:08am

>213 London_StJ: Right?! I'm inordinately happy about My Three Graces, as I will now always call them.

And thanks. I don't like it when those fevers don't break right away. Gah. And he's pushing on with his schoolwork today, which is admirable, but I worry he's pushing himself too hard, but also he's old enough to make that decision himself to a certain extent, so I'm just secretly hand-wringing and watching him for signs that I need to step in and say, "Nope, enough now, rest." Ah, parenting.

>214 drneutron: Jim: *snork!*
(You know? The Latin in the HP books is pretty good, and the pronunciation in the movies is also...pretty good. Buffy and SPN, as dearly as I love them, really needed to hire me as a consultant, though. *eye twitch*)

216lycomayflower
Editado: Ene 21, 9:17am

>215 scaifea: And then there's me, blissfully ignorant of the bad Latin, but launching into space when they pronounce "Samhain"... like it's spelled.

217drneutron
Ene 21, 9:24am

>215 scaifea: Huh. And to me it looks like "pick a verb and add -io". 'Cause -io is obviously the syllable of power. 😂

218scaifea
Ene 21, 9:30am

>216 lycomayflower: *snork!*

>217 drneutron: accio translates to "I summon" and so works perfectly well. The -io ending is a form of the first person present active indicative.

219drneutron
Editado: Ene 21, 9:43am

>218 scaifea: *psst* I'm yanking your chain a bit... 😂😂 I'll stop now.

220scaifea
Ene 21, 9:57am

>219 drneutron: Look, buddy, if you don't want a Latin lesson, then don't provoke me.

221drneutron
Ene 21, 10:02am

As we say in space... Roger that! 😀

222scaifea
Ene 21, 10:44am

>221 drneutron:

Maybe we should switch to pig latin...


223katiekrug
Ene 21, 10:53am

>222 scaifea: - Great gif - The Wayne and I watched Aliens last night!

224scaifea
Ene 21, 11:06am

>223 katiekrug: Ha! That's awesome! It's been *so* long since I've watched it.

225MickyFine
Ene 21, 11:45am

>222 scaifea: Snort. Quite the morning around here.

226drneutron
Ene 21, 11:55am

One of my faves!

227scaifea
Ene 21, 12:03pm

>225 MickyFine: Business as usual, Micky. Slightly controlled chaos is the name of the game.

>226 drneutron: Jim: YES!

228ChelleBearss
Ene 21, 7:40pm

This was a fun thread to read through! So much latin and snorking

Sorry to see that Charlie is still under the weather! Hope that fever scrams soon!

229scaifea
Ene 22, 7:26am

>228 ChelleBearss: Ha! I'm glad you enjoyed the ride, Chelle!
And thankfully, Charlie seems (fingers crossed) better now. Whew.

230scaifea
Ene 22, 7:34am

Today's Agenda:
As I mentioned to Chelle just up there (*points up*), Charlie has seemed to be on the mend for most of yesterday and this morning. Here's hoping it sticks this time.
So he has some schoolwork today that I'll keep half an eye on, then there's the weekly bill sorting, grocery pickup, Friday baking (sweet and savory cut-outs made with pie crust dough), office hours, and some course prep. It's Family Game Night and it's my pick; I'm thinking possibly one of our many Monopoly variations...

On the reading front:
I didn't find much reading time yesterday, but did manage a few more pages in The Book Thief and finished up Far Away Across the Sea (mini-review to come). Still listening to President Obama in small bites here and there.

What We're Watching:
Thursdays. GBBS. Still in The Beginnings. This week's episode was slapped with a Netflix warning for "gore" and I giggled, but as it turns out, poor John cut his finger and ended up with an literal glove full of blood! Wowza. Brendan continues to be adorable, as does Sarah Jane.

231msf59
Ene 22, 7:40am

Morning, Amber! Happy Friday. Glad to hear Charlie is feeling better. Cold here today, so I think I will just hunker down with the books.

232scaifea
Ene 22, 7:45am

>231 msf59: Morning, Mark! Good idea with the hunkering. It's pretty cold down here, too.

233scaifea
Editado: Ene 22, 7:49am

So I frittered away some of my reading time yesterday making these for my classes:

Cicero Denouncing Catiline in the Senate:



Titian's Europa:

234scaifea
Editado: Ene 22, 8:01am



I generally don't mention the picture books that we read here anymore, but we do still explore new offerings that look interesting (and I love that Charlie still likes reading them with me). Last night we read one that really stood out for me as excellent in a lot of ways: Just Like Me. It's a collection of short poems, each in the voice of a different young girl, and all of them expressing a wide variety of outlooks and issues, tones and themes. Very well done, and the artwork is lovely. A couple of my favorites:

Waiting for Friends
I brought an extra sandwich
and a big bag of kisses
and my bright hopes
of making a friend today

Door Buster
Wasn't invited to the party
Wasn't invited to play
Wasn't invited to be a part
But y'all gonna want me one day

I can't promise that I'll be here
then next time you come around
So why don't you just open the door
'cause next time I'm kicking it down

235rosalita
Ene 22, 8:02am

>233 scaifea: Aren't you a clever clogs, Amber! Well done.

236scaifea
Ene 22, 8:05am

>235 rosalita: Julia: Honestly, I was stupidly proud of myself for figuring out how to do it. *eye roll* But it was fun and I think my students will like 'em.

237FAMeulstee
Ene 22, 8:25am

>233 scaifea: LOL!
I love Bernie :-)

238scaifea
Ene 22, 8:32am

>237 FAMeulstee: Me, too, Anita! He's the best.

239drneutron
Ene 22, 8:50am

Yeah, Bernie wins the Internet! The memes are really great.

By the way, a couple of years ago I picked up the Fagles translations of Iliad and Odyssey and have been thinking lately of starting them as a long term project. Any opinion on this version? This would be my first time through both.

240scaifea
Ene 22, 8:53am

>239 drneutron: Morning, Jim!

Bernie is the best. Love him. And the mittens meme have been such a blast!

Fagles is a good, solid translation for both. Not my favorite (Lombardo), but I think you'll be happy with him. Also, WOOT! I hope you love them both! I'm happy to chat about them as you go, if you like.

241Crazymamie
Ene 22, 9:15am

Morning, Amber!

>233 scaifea: LOVE!

I have and love both of those Fagle's translations. Some day I will have to try the Lombardo's.

242scaifea
Ene 22, 9:28am

>241 Crazymamie: Morning, Mamie! Thanks for the Bernie Mittens love!

Fagles is pretty good and remains one of my favorites, but Lombardo bumped that one out of the running for best when he came along. Not sure it's completely worth an entire reread just for the different translation, though, unless you were planning on it anyway. *shrug*

243scaifea
Ene 22, 9:36am



15. Far Away Across the Sea by Toon Tellegen (1001 Children's Books) - 10/10 = A+
I absolutely loved this charming book about a forest full of friends quietly living out their sweet, strange little lives. It's comprised of a collection of vignettes, each one focusing on one or two of the forest inhabitants, each one not about anything in particular and utterly lacking in a progressing plot of any kind, but full of quiet intent and peaceful nuggets of comfy wisdom and tacit joy. It brought a happy handful of sunshine to my heart, and I am grateful for that. Tellegen first created these tales for his young daughter as bedtime stories, but I highly, *highly* recommend them for all ages. An absolute gem.

244Crazymamie
Ene 22, 9:38am

>243 scaifea: Well that looks completely charming.

245scaifea
Ene 22, 9:43am

>244 Crazymamie: Oh, Mamie, it really is! You'd love it, I suspect.

246jnwelch
Ene 22, 9:49am

What Mamie said. Nice review of Far Away Across the Sea. How can I resist?

Sorry to hear that the fever just does not want to let poor Charlie go. I hope this time he shakes it.

Thanks for your Odyssey comments over on my thread. Maybe together we can cajole Richard into finishing that Stanley Lombardo translation.

Happy Friday!

247FAMeulstee
Ene 22, 9:53am

>243 scaifea: So good to see you loved Toon Tellegen, Amber!

248scaifea
Ene 22, 11:07am

>246 jnwelch: Hi, Joe! You should definitely not resist - I thought of you as I was reading it, in fact. It feels a little like John Muth's Zen Shorts.

Charlie seems much better today, thank goodness. Thanks for the well wishes!

You're very sweet to thank me for grousing over on your thread. Such patience you've got there, friend.

And happy Friday right back atcha!

>247 FAMeulstee: I was thinking of you, too, Anita, while I was reading this one! I wondered what your thoughts of his stuff is.

249FAMeulstee
Ene 22, 1:13pm

>248 scaifea: I love Toon Tellegen, Amber!
And so does Richard, he did read Letters to Anyone and Everyone in 2018, and wrote a raving review.

My favorite is De genezing van de krekel (The Curing of the Cricket) sadly that one isn't translated (yet).

250scaifea
Ene 22, 1:23pm

>249 FAMeulstee: Aw, yay! He's not really well known over here, so it's good to see that at least some people are discovering him. Also, excellent memory, Anita!

It's too bad your favorite isn't available as a translation yet.

252quondame
Ene 22, 8:04pm

>240 scaifea: Fagles' is the only one I remember reading. Or maybe I never read it before - all I remember are my mom and older brother reading it aloud back around 1960. I know I'd read tales from, but until Mike got the Fagles translation can't be sure I'd actually read the book itself.

253scaifea
Ene 23, 8:57am

>252 quondame: If it's the only translation you know, it's not a bad one for the job, for sure.
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