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January 6, 2021

1Molly3028
Editado: Ene 4, 4:03pm



https://www.mediaite.com/election-2020/ben-sasse-reveals-gop-senators-care-about...
Ben Sasse Reveals GOP Senators Care ‘About How They Will Look’ to Trump’s Base While Completely Debunking Election Fraud Claims

My take ~ Many GOPers want to hang on to Trump's
white nationalist cult voters come hell or high water.
Continually shooting themselves in the foot appears to
be a long-term plan of those GOPers ~ their 21st
Century suicide mission continues.

2Limelite
Dic 31, 2020, 6:59pm

Pence Asks Judge To Toss GOP Bid To Overturn EC Votes

Vice President Pence on Thursday asked a federal judge to reject a bid by Rep. Louie Gohmert (R-Texas) and other Republicans to broaden Pence’s powers in a manner that would effectively allow him to overturn President-elect Joe Biden’s electoral win. A ploy to look coy; a sincere effort to dissociated himself from lawmakers' madness and Trump's apron strings; or a fake protest because he intends to remain loyal to Trump and try to steal the election come hell or high water, in a bid for his 2024 ambitions?

It's apparent that Sen. Hawley of MO has presidential ambitions and is pinning his hopes on Trumpty Dumbpties shifting their allegiance to him in the next national election cycle. He's one of the most ambitious and shrewd Republicans in the Senate.
Pence said he was not a proper defendant to the suit.

A suit to establish that the Vice President has discretion over the count, filed against the Vice President, is a walking legal contradiction,” a Department of Justice attorney representing Pence wrote in the filing.

The Republican lawsuit seeks to invalidate the law as an unconstitutional constraint on the vice president's authority to choose among competing claims of victory when state-level election results are disputed.

Republicans in several key battleground states have disputed Biden's win and offered alternate "slates" of pro-Trump electors.
Imagine, if you will, Gohmert's suit prevails and Pence is immediately "endowed" with actual power in a heretofore ceremonial circumstance. Pence, who has publicly resisted Republican efforts to involve him in the anti-legitimate election is suddenly is in the spotlight he would have us believe he doesn't seek. Trump's pressure to exercise his new power, declare the EC validation invalid, and replace recognized electors with imposters will be enormous.

On his own, Pence's mind will be turning over his personal presidential calculations regarding his position January 6th vs. that of Hawley, and the mood of the Republican electorate. Should he "go" or should he "stay"? All the time he's fully aware of the vulture hovering behind him in Trump's form, a la Hillary Clinton.

I'll be watching from the edge of my seat with my bag of popcorn soaked in real butter, anxious to see Pence sweat.

3Molly3028
Editado: Ene 4, 4:03pm

https://www.mediaite.com/election-2020/vp-joe-biden-overruled-objections-to-elec...

Joe Biden Overruled Democratic Objections to Electoral College Certification for President-Elect Trump in 2017

Wishful thinking? ~ I doubt that "mother" (Pence's
wife), or his other family members, will want Mike to
shirk his Constitutional duty to the country on January
6.

4Molly3028
Editado: Ene 1, 12:32pm

https://www.mediaite.com/news/gop-congressman-slams-mark-levin-over-calling-him-...
GOP Congressman Slams Mark Levin Over Calling Him A ‘Reckless Politician’: ‘Godfather Of Outrage For Profit’

Truer words have never been spoken. GOP wingnut
radio and TV hosts have been playing the outrage-for-
profit scheme for years. They are Trump-like con men
with cult listeners and viewers who are the most
clueless, gullible people on the planet.

5Molly3028
Editado: Ene 1, 12:29pm

https://www.newsweek.com/william-cohen-donald-trump-josh-hawley-republicans-new-...
Ex-GOP Senator Says Republicans Must Form New Party or Be Trump Hostages

AMEN ~ TOO many power hungry GOPers have become
disenchanted with states-rights advocacy during this
post-election process.

6Limelite
Ene 1, 7:29pm

Let the Dissent Begin

Mitt Romney's voice in the wilderness of madness is being joined, if one or two others voicing their objections to Josh Hawley's gamble with political suicide is sufficient to suggest a shift away from the cray-cray. I won't call the growing chorus a return to reason, just a vocal stretch as they feel Trump's power waning. But it is heartwarming to see an increasing sense of willingness on the other side of the aisle to kick him in the butt on his way out the door.
“I think it’s awful. I am going to support my oath to the Constitution. That’s the loyalty test here,” said Sen. Lisa Murkowski (R-Alaska).

Sen. Mitt Romney (R-Utah) called Hawley’s move “disappointing and destructive. And borrowing from Ben Sasse it’s ambition pointing a gun at the head of democracy.” Sasse (R-Neb.) said this week that "adults don’t point a loaded gun at the heart of legitimate self-government."

“I’m going to vote to certify the election,” said Sen. Roger Wicker (R-Miss.) of Hawley’s effort. “I don’t think it’s a good idea and I don’t understand his reasoning.”

Sens. Shelly Moore Capito (R-W.Va.), Susan Collins (R-Maine) and Richard Burr (R-N.C.), who flatly said “no” Friday when asked if he would join Hawley. A simple majority is enough to certify Biden’s win, and there are 48 Senate Democrats.
In the now famous phrase of Sen. Thune -- he whom Trump wants primaried by the bat shit crazy South Dakota Gov. Kristi Noem -- the Dissenters want this empty exercise to "go down like a shot dog." At last, they're starting to pump some bullets into it.

7Molly3028
Editado: Ene 2, 8:16am

Hawley may be on a mission to "kill two birds with one
stone." He wants to gain Trump's favor now, and he
wants to be seen as a hero that Trump's cult followers
could willingly accept as a national candidate in the
future. This move could leapfrog him over Pence and
anyone else contemplating a national run. With Trump
and his cult followers on his side, he could give the
GOP leaders one of three fingers.

Power-hungry Congressional senators are turning out
to be hard-to-herd cats!

8Limelite
Ene 1, 11:36pm

Loony Looey's Bizzaro Lawsuit Dismissed

Judge Jeremy Kernodle, a Trump appointee isn't having any of it. Crack! goes another Kraken! No legal standing, again. Gohmert sued the wrong person by naming Pence a defendant and as far as Gohmert's co-plaintiffs, the Republican fake electors of AZ, are concerned, they "allege an injury that is not fairly traceable to the Defendant, the Vice President of the United States." In other words, "What the hell are you fake electors doing in my court? Get thee hence." Just like all the other judges.

There are no "competing electors." There are the electors for Biden and the fake wannabe Republican electors put forward by crackpots in AZ for The Biggest LOSER. If Gohmert doesn't like the ECA law and wants to file a lawsuit, then his defendants would have to be the US House and Senate, not the VP.
It is well established that a plaintiff lacks standing where it is ‘uncertain that granting the plaintiff the relief it wants would remedy its injuries.’ Accordingly, the Court finds that the Nominee-Electors lack standing. . . The Court therefore DISMISSES the case without prejudice.

9MsMixte
Ene 2, 12:09am

>8 Limelite: Some may ask why this was dismissed without prejudice (meaning, normally, that a suit could be reworked and filed again). The answer, apparently, is that any time a federal court dismisses a claim for lack of jurisdiction, the dismissal is necessarily "without prejudice" because the court didn't decide the merits. Since these plaintiffs lack standing in the first place, it will preclude them from bringing the same claims again in any federal court. Now, if they happen to find someone with standing, the suit could be re-filed. That's not very likely, though.

10Molly3028
Editado: Ene 2, 4:27pm

Saturday, January 2
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2021/01/02/cruz-johnson-9-other-gop-sena...

My take ~
The GOP's 21st Century suicide mission continues. A
number of lunatic senators, headed by Cruz, are
working to destroy Lincoln's party before the brown
demographic wave has the opportunity to commence
the destruction. New brown voters will not be joining
the white nationalist cult that remains in its place.

11Limelite
Ene 2, 8:23pm

>9 MsMixte:

Thanks for your comment. Helpful!

12MsMixte
Editado: Ene 2, 9:44pm

>11 Limelite: You are welcome. Note that the ridiculous follow-up appeal filed by Goober Gohmert got knocked out of the stadium in what was probably a record smackdown. Judges noted that they, the administrative panel, had the benefit of the briefing before the court, and therefore didn't need to waste time saying NO, YOU CLOWNS (they put it more politely, however).

GET OUT AND STAY OUT OF OUR COURT.

13Molly3028
Editado: Ene 3, 9:40am

The modern-day GOPers are making Nixon and his era
look better & better every single day of this disgusting
Trump era. They love wearing flag pins, but they hate
our 21st Century democracy.

When Trump decided to run as a GOPer in 2015, he
saw a con man's paradise. Events have shown him to
be 100% correct.

14John5918
Ene 2, 11:14pm

Senators in final bid to derail certification of Biden's victory (BBC)

A group of US senators say they will refuse to certify Joe Biden's election victory unless a commission is set up to investigate alleged voter fraud. The 11 senators and senators-elect, led by Ted Cruz, want a 10-day delay to audit the unsubstantiated allegations. The move is not expected to succeed as most senators are expected to endorse Mr Biden in the 6 January vote...

it is clear - if it wasn't already - that the party's heart continues to be with Donald Trump's efforts to overturn his presidential loss. The effort will be futile, given the Democratic majority in the House of Representatives, but the goal for many of these politicians is not to pull off a miraculous reversal of fortune for the president. Instead, it is to curry favour with Trump's loyal base. They are wagering that the road to success in the Republican Party will continue to run through Trump and his faithful, whose support could be invaluable to senators with presidential ambitions, like Ted Cruz of Texas or Josh Hawley of Missouri, or ones concerned about future primary opposition from pro-Trump politicians...

It is a sign that the partisan rancour in the US, exacerbated by Trump's scorched-earth fight to hold on to the presidency, will not fade away anytime soon...

15Molly3028
Editado: Ene 4, 4:08pm

https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2021/01/what-republicans-are-doing-wor...

by Tom Nichols ~
*a Never Trump life-time conservative
*an academic specialist on international affairs who
often appeared on Crossfire on CNN
*now a professor at the U.S. Naval War College in R.I.
*was a 1970's student in the high school where I was teaching

"The sedition caucus is worse than a treasonous
conspiracy. At least real traitors believe in something.
These people instead believe only in their own fortunes
and thus will change flags and loyalties as
circumstances require. They will always become what
they pretend to be, and so they cannot—and must not
—be trusted ever again with political power."

My take about the GOPers' actions ~ the coming brown
demographic wave is scaring the hell out of them!

16Limelite
Ene 4, 4:16pm

"Sedition Caucus" could not be more precise. If Democrats win the Senate, I certainly hope they will react appropriately to that group's ultimate disregard for their oaths of honor to the Constitution. What they have done and intend to do is actual tampering with an election, for which there are state and federal laws that criminalize such behavior.

The Sedition Caucus, and Trump should be charged with sedition, beyond the chamber disciplines available, i.e. censure. They are truly working to overthrow a legitimately elected government placed in power by the American people from whom all power flows. Nancy Pelosi should exercise her legal powers as Speaker to impose punishment on any House members who have signed on as well.

Regardless. This tape is Trump's legacy. The words, more importantly his tone.

17Limelite
Ene 4, 8:31pm

The 13 Republicans aligning themselves with Trump's interminable efforts to overturn the election are no different from necrophiliacs.

182wonderY
Ene 4, 9:57pm

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2021/01/04/proud-boys-leader-arrested...

Tarrio was arrested for an offense from his December visit. But he also had ammunition and a “high capacity feeding device” today. Mischief planned?

19Molly3028
Editado: Ene 5, 8:28am

https://www.mediaite.com/election-2020/george-will-says-cruz-and-hawley-are-wors...

George Will Says Cruz and Hawley Are Worse Than ‘Demented’ Conspiracy Theorists in Scathing Op-Ed

As Will sees it, the willingness of Hawley and Cruz to question the results of the November general election—despite there being no reliable evidence in support—is entirely about each of the senator’s craven political ambitions for a 2024 run to the White House.

and

My take on the Georgia election ~ If the GOP keeps
control of the U.S. Senate, God forbid, the crap we
have been experiencing the last two months is going to
be continuing every single day of the next four years.
Torturing Americans is what the GOP does best in 21st
Century America.

202wonderY
Ene 5, 12:24pm

>19 Molly3028: He sounds pretty disgusted with his party.

21Limelite
Ene 5, 1:18pm

>20 2wonderY:

Ex-party.

Will left the Repub. P. long ago and may still be an Independent. "In June 2016, citing his disapproval of Trump, Will told journalist Nicholas Ballasy in an interview that he had left the Republican party and was registered as an unaffiliated voter."

22Limelite
Ene 5, 1:25pm

A ghastly thought just occurred to me.

If the GA runoff is tight like the national election was, and since Trump has already said that the runoff is fixed and votes for Repubs "won't count," how much you wanna bet Perdue and Loeffler pull the same kind of kabuki and chaos act of endless baseless contention, with the help of wing nut Republicans, that Trump has pulled over his loss in the state?

Then, Congressional governance will remain sick and Moscow Mitch will be even more anxious to shove judges thru and block meaningful legislation. Hawley and Cruz will chortle and carry on like they're doing now, suffering no punishment or consequences. Americans will suffer even more than they have been this past year for the sake of some deplorable senators' personal ambitions.

GAK!

23kiparsky
Ene 5, 2:09pm

Since each of member of the sedition caucus was re-elected on the same ballots they're challenging, I think it would be only right to demand that they step down before they're allowed to bring their challenges. If the election was fraudulent, then clearly they're not representatives.

24davidgn
Ene 5, 3:53pm

For anyone who hasn't seen the Steve Schmidt/Ali Veshi interview from the 3rd...
https://twitter.com/SteveSchmidtSES/status/1345748737902202880

26Molly3028
Ene 6, 5:27am

Time has come for Pence to carry out his Constitutional duties!

27margd
Ene 6, 6:39am

>22 Limelite: Unfortunately, bitterness and rancor may become a regular feature now of state and national elections...

In Pennsylvania State Senate, Repugs are refusing to seat a Dem while they battle his election in the courts. "...a departure from the normally staid and sedate workings of the chamber...potentially sets the stage for a tumultuous two-year session, which will include debate over key legislative priorities such as redistricting..."

https://www.inquirer.com/politics/pennsylvania/spl/john-fetterman-pennsylvania-s...

28mamzel
Ene 6, 2:18pm

Watching scene outside Capitol and inside Senate. What a zoo!
I have to admit I'm more than a little nervous.

29kiparsky
Ene 6, 2:54pm

I wonder if our token Trumpists are going to acknowledge that they are on the side of anarchy* and violence, and that they stand against America, or if they're going to try to pretend that they're somehow not traitors looking to destroy this country.

We'll see.

* as distinct from anarchism...

30LolaWalser
Ene 6, 3:10pm

>29 kiparsky:

(* as distinct from anarchism...

Thank you! :))

31margd
Editado: Jun 30, 2:37pm

Horror to watch...again, only this time with guide to times and locations and groups and communications:

Day of Rage: An In-Depth Look at How a Mob Stormed the Capitol (40:21)
Dmitriy Khavin, Haley Willis, Evan Hill, Natalie Reneau, Drew Jordan, Cora Engelbrecht, Christiaan Triebert, Stella Cooper, Malachy Browne and David Botti • June 30, 2021

A six-month Times investigation has synchronized and mapped out thousands of videos and police radio communications from the Jan. 6 Capitol riot, providing the most complete picture to date of what happened — and why.

https://www.nytimes.com/video/us/politics/100000007606996/capitol-riot-trump-sup...

32Limelite
Jun 30, 5:07pm

First Boogaloo Arrest Signals More To Come

Have a look at how the accused, Steven Thurlow, dresses to go to a peaceful protest.

Ahh nothing like a new pair of 511’s and fresh set of level IV SAPI’s in the plate As it says in the affidavit about his image posted to Facebook, quoting Thurlow: Ahh nothing like a new pair of 511’s and fresh set of level IV SAPI’s in the plate carrier to go “peacefully protest” with.(sic) And from the FBI special agent investigater about the image included in the affidavit:
"Image 1 shows a man in camouflage tactical gear with a 'Boogaloo' patch on his chest, as well as a 'Torii' patch on the body armor," the affidavit reads. "Based on my training, experience, and other investigations, I know that the 'Boogaloo' is a term referencing a violent uprising or impending civil war. The term is sometimes used by militia extremists and racially or ethnically motivated violent extremists (RMVE), who allude to it using shorthand such as 'big igloo' or 'big luau' and imagery such as igloos or Hawaiian shirts."
"'SAPI' refers to a Small Arms Protective Insert, and that a Level IV 'SAPI' plate is a high-level ballistic body armor plate that is rated to withstand a direct hit by a high-muzzle velocity armor piercing bullet."

33lriley
Jun 30, 6:58pm

I was in the local hospital when this happened and on pain meds and that night was taken on a two hour ambulance ride to the cancer center in Rochester. So oblivious to what happened that day this is what I woke up to on Jan. 7 and I can remember how furious these assclowns made me and I’m still really angry with them but even more so with Trump and his congressional enablers.

34Limelite
Jul 1, 1:22pm

>33 lriley: Never mind the "thems." How are you?

35lriley
Jul 1, 6:45pm

#34–doing pretty good. The transplant had me in the hospital again for another 15 days but the side effects are over. The back is still bugging me but I can walk more or less okay.

The transplant doctor suggested I get revaccinated for Covid in August. NYS not having a policy for that I decided to bug my state Senator (a republican—but almost anyone elected around here is a republican). Anyway his office got back to me and it looks like we’re going to work it out. In October I get measles, chickenpox, polio etc. etc. all over again.

36mamzel
Jul 2, 3:07pm

I am also a transplant patient but I haven't heard anything about a COVID booster from any of my doctors. Guess I'll have to bring it up to them. Will try to find article(s) on the topic to quote.

37lriley
Jul 2, 4:20pm

#36–not about a booster shot. It’s about getting re-vaccinated or both shots again. The transplant was two months ago and their concern is that the transplant wiped the vaccine out of my system. I had an appt. with my local oncologist today and he agreed with the transplant doctor’s suggestion and said he would fax over a request. The myeloma specialist also agreed with that assessment.

I would think if you were vaccinated for Covid after your transplant that you should be fine.

38margd
Editado: Jul 2, 7:29pm

I think your MD can confirm whether vaxx took with tests?

39Limelite
Jul 2, 10:56pm

>37 lriley: So sorry to hear about all you've been through and hope that you're feeling better soon. Sounds wise for you to get revaccinated.

As an older person, I know that vaccine efficacy isn't as robust in people once we get past 50. That's why there are two levels of flu vaccines -- the one for us old folks is a stronger dose necessary to elicit an immune response. If you're not a young sprout AND have a transplant for which you receive immunosuppressants in order to maintain the transplant, you have a double whammy working against your immune response.

The doctor's advice seems reasonable when you take all that into account. And if you've had chemo, well, as the oncologists say, "The body remembers." In short, maybe you're not producing all the types of white blood cells at normal healthy levels. Another inhibition of your immune system.

But I bet you've been all through this with your medicos and I'm managing to do a good imitation of "man 'splaining." Take care and know your friends on LT want the best for you.

40John5918
Jul 3, 12:16am

>39 Limelite: Take care and know your friends on LT want the best for you

Yes indeed. Let me endorse that sentiment. All the best, Larry.

41lriley
Jul 3, 9:27am

#38,39,40–well for all I’m not doing badly at all and I expect my back will sooner or later come around. Covid is the main but not only reason I’ll be keeping a low profile for a while. I’m scheduled for vaccination for all the childhood stuff—measles, chickenpox, polio etc. etc. in October. Apparently I can potentially get the chickenpox again. I basically need to recharge my entire immune system.

42mamzel
Jul 3, 2:05pm

>41 lriley: Would it be chicken pox "again" or shingles which I understand is horrible.

43lriley
Editado: Jul 3, 5:32pm

#42–I have been taking valcyclovir (sp?) every day since the beginning of my treatment which is to keep the shingles away. From what I understand that will go for at least a year. Somewhere around the 9 month post transplant mark I’ll get a first shingles shot and the second 3 months after that. That’s more or less the chickenpox thing I would suppose.

I also know flu shots, polio, mmr (measles, mumps, rubella), hepatitis, pneumonia and tetanus are all on the menu.

44Limelite
Editado: Jul 3, 8:32pm

'Enough of This Crap!' Former Republican Explodes Against Opposition to ‘Absolutely Friggin' Necessary’ 1/6 Investigation

Former Rep. Denver Riggleman (R-Va.) shared his reaction to a recent report about an individual who participated in the U.S. Capitol ins When asked by CNN if Minority Leader Kevin McCarthy will try to “muck up” this committee, Riggleman said McCarthy is “going to have to make fun of it” and attack it as partisan to discredit it. Not a very strong position, considering the lack of success Republicans have had attacking Biden's bills and character.
It is time for us, for Americans to do something to find out in analysis what happened on January 6th, how it happened. And we need to go back a year or two. We need to actually get everybody in the same room — domestic individuals, transnational threats… We need to look at the gaps and the priorities that we need to actually look at that law enforcement didn’t have time to do to see why this happened. This is absolutely friggin’ necessary.
I wonder what Riggleman knows or suspects about his fellow Republican legislators from his time in the House that he wants the inquiries to go back in time two years? Maybe we'll find out this summer.

45lriley
Editado: Jul 4, 9:59am

Groups like the proud boys and the Oathkeepers made gains between Charlottesville and the Capitol riot. The Trump presidency gave them encouragement and the respectability they craved from those on the conservative side of things. The proud boys had already staged themselves outside of congress even before Trump’s speech was over on that day. They had a plan and believed trump had their back come hell or high water. Trump is actually the one who stood down on that day. He watched to see if Pence and Pelosi would be intimidated and they weren’t diverted and then also he saw the rioters finally cleared from the Capitol building with their tails between their legs. It all collapsed for him with those two events.

46margd
Editado: Jul 10, 6:24am

CPAC...

Andrew Solender (Forbes) @AndrewSolender | 5:35 PM · Jul 9, 2021:
CPAC attendee sent me this pic of a card they were handed about a
“7-pt. plan to restore Donald J. Trump in days, not years,”
which involves installing Trump as speaker and ousting Biden & Harris.

Image https://twitter.com/AndrewSolender/status/1413612849952395265/photo/1

--------------------------------------------------

Stewart Rhodes, founder of right-wing Oath Keepers militia, spotted at CPAC
Multiple federal agencies are investigating the Oath Keepers for their alleged role in the Jan. 6 insurrection
Zachary Petrizzo | July 9, 2021

https://www.salon.com/2021/07/09/stewart-rhodes-founder-of-right-wing-oath-keepe...

47lriley
Jul 10, 7:26am

#46–LOL! at their 7 point plan. No. 1–the congressional black caucus is going to flip over to the republicans en masse. Fantasy world shit.

48margd
Jul 10, 10:50am

>47 lriley: I know! And this is the kind of thinking that led to Jan.6...

49Limelite
Jul 14, 4:16pm

Jan. 6 Select Committee Hearings To Begin July 27

As per MSNBC, the initial hearing will hear from witnesses who are/were members of the police and Capitol police forces. The hearings will proceed as per chairman, Bernie Thompson, for as long as it takes with or without Kevin McCarthy's cooperation in appointing Republican members to the Committee. It is already bipartisan with the participation of Liz Cheney.

50Earthling1
Jul 14, 8:42pm

This member has been suspended from the site.

51margd
Jul 19, 1:08pm

First US Capitol rioter convicted of a felony gets 8 months in prison
Marshall Cohen | July 19, 2021

...a closely watched case that could influence how hundreds of other rioters charged with the same felony are punished.

Paul Hodgkins, a 38-year-old Floridian, is now the first Capitol rioter charged with a felony to be sentenced. He pleaded guilty last month to obstructing congressional proceedings -- specifically, the counting of the electoral votes, which he helped delay by storming the Senate chamber on January 6. He spent about 15 minutes inside, wearing a Donald Trump shirt and carrying a Trump flag.

The sentence is less than the 1.5-year sentence that the Justice Department asked for. Hodgkins was seeking probation...

https://www.cnn.com/2021/07/19/politics/capitol-riot-felony-paul-hodgkins/index....

52Limelite
Jul 19, 2:29pm

New Book Points To Discrepancies in DOJ Timeline

The book is I Alone Can Fix It: DJT's Catastrophic Final Year by Carol Leonnig and Philip Rucker.

Here's the first example noted by Ryan Goodman on his Twitter account. Joint Chiefs' #GenMilley recommended calling up neighboring National Guard units immediately (Army Sec. McCarthy doesn't get around to it until 2.5hrs after Capitol breached).

Here's the Pentagon Timeline


Here's the Passage from the Book


Here's another discrepancy: 4:39pm call between Acting SecDef Miller and White House chief of staff Meadows.

The Pentagon Timeline


The Book


I rec following the link to Goodman's Twitter and reading further where he raises interesting questions about the "facts" that unfolded Jan 6.
I Alone Can Fix It

53mamzel
Jul 19, 3:22pm

>51 margd: And he can't vote now either, right?

54margd
Editado: Jul 19, 4:49pm

>53 mamzel: Once he's out and paid any fines, etc., I think he can vote in Florida? Referendum + state legislation (pay fines)? Might not be able to in 2022?

55John5918
Jul 25, 5:32am

Heavy Metal Guitarist-Turned-Capitol Rioter Has Feces Thrown at Him in Jail (Daily Beast)

Heavy metal band Iced Earth’s guitarist Jon Schaffer, who pleaded guilty to charges related to the Capitol riot, had feces thrown at him and faced death threats during a hellish stint at an Indiana jail, according to his lawyer...


While one certainly cannot condone attacks on a fellow prisoner, nevertheless this sort of thing suggests that ordinary criminals are treating the 6th January insurrectionists with the same contempt with which they regard paedophiles. Maybe ordinary criminals are more "patriotic" (whatever that tired old term means) than the pro-Trump insurrectionists?

56Kuiperdolin
Jul 25, 7:28pm

Jailbirds sure know which party has their back, as do I. Others?

57John5918
Editado: Jul 28, 12:07am

>56 Kuiperdolin:

Do you think it's about parties? Another way of looking at it would be that even ordinary criminals despise people who try to overthrow democracy, such as this insurrectionist.

58Limelite
Jul 27, 4:40pm

>56 Kuiperdolin: For accuracy's sake, let's just say that the prisoners feel about insurrectionists against the rule of law in a more patriotic way than Republicans do. You?

59Limelite
Editado: Jul 27, 6:20pm

Three Days of Infamy

In modern American history, we now have three dates indelibly stamped on our brains. All three were terrorist attacks.

1.Pearl Harbor -- Terrorist attack by Japan on Hawaii
2. 9/11 -- Terrorist attack by Arab Jihadists on America
3. 1/6/21 -- Terrorist attack by Republican MAGAs on America

60Novak
Editado: Jul 27, 6:02pm

>59 Limelite: Agreed. Having a bit of trouble with "2" ? 😎

61Limelite
Jul 27, 6:20pm

>60 Novak: LoL Yes! I have cats.

62margd
Jul 28, 9:00am

Audio shows a profanity-laced voicemail that DC officer Michael Fanone got from a Trump supporter while he was testifying to Congress
Sinéad Baker | 7/28/2021

..."Yeah, this is for Michael Fanone, Metropolitan Police officer. You're on trial right now, lying. You want an Emmy? An Oscar? What are you trying to go for here? You're so full of shit you little f----- f-----. You're a little p----, man. I could slap you up the side your head with a backhand and knock you out, you little f-----.

"You're a punk f-----. You're a lying f---. How about all that scummy Black f---ing scum for two years destroying our cities and burning 'em and stealing all that s--- out of the stores and everything. How about that? Assaulting cops and killing people? How about that, you f-----?

"That was s--- on the goddamn Capitol. I wish they woulda killed all you scumbags 'cause you people are scum. They stole the election from Trump and you know that, you scumbag. And f---ing too bad they didn't beat the s--- out of you more. You're a piece of shit. You're a little f--, you f---ing scumbag."...

https://www.businessinsider.com/michael-fanone-plays-explicit-voicemail-during-j...

63Kuiperdolin
Jul 28, 5:43pm

>57 John5918: sure do. Demonrat is the party of pro crime always do criminals favors and persecute the victims. If criminals don't serve as goons for Demonrats, ingrates! Hinckley never assaulted in Butner.

64John5918
Editado: Jul 30, 4:53am

Ex-cop who stormed US Capitol is jailed after buying 37 guns and posting that 'violence' is better than 'peaceful protest' (CNN)

A Virginia police officer who was fired after storming the US Capitol was jailed Wednesday by a federal judge because he ordered a large stockpile of guns and ammunition after his January arrest, and posted online in support of future political violence. Thomas Robertson, a retired Army Reservist who later worked for the Rocky Mount Police Department, was one of the first rioters charged by the Justice Department. He was released in January but re-arrested this month after investigators said they found a rifle and bomb-making material in his home, and also learned that he recently bought another 37 guns on the Internet. The decision from Judge Christopher Cooper means Robertson will stay behind bars until his case is resolved, which could take months or even drag into 2022...

65margd
Ago 1, 9:01am

Already Distorting Jan. 6, G.O.P. Now Concocts Entire Counternarrative
In the Republicans’ disinformation campaign, the arrested Capitol rioters are political prisoners and Speaker Nancy Pelosi is to blame for the attack.
Lisa Lerer and Nicholas Fandos | July 31, 2021

...This rendering of events — together with new evidence that Mr. Trump had counted on allies in Congress to help him use a baseless allegation of corruption to overturn the election — pointed to what some democracy experts see as a dangerous new sign in American politics: Even with Mr. Trump gone from the White House, many Republicans have little intention of abandoning the prevarication that was a hallmark of his presidency.

Rather, as the country struggles with the consequences of Mr. Trump’s assault on the legitimacy of the nation’s elections, leaders of his party — who, unlike the former president, have not lost their political or rhetorical platforms — are signaling their willingness to continue, look past or even expand his assault on the facts for political gain.

...With members of the select committee hinting that they could subpoena Trump aides, allies on Capitol Hill and perhaps Mr. Trump himself, the counterfactual counterattack could pre-emptively undercut an investigation of the riot.The phenomenon is not uniquely American...

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/07/31/us/politics/jan-6-capitol-riot-pelosi.html?re...

66davidgn
Editado: Ago 1, 6:29pm

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/trump-mark-meadows...

Mark Meadows says Trump meeting with ‘cabinet members’ despite not having a cabinet
The president’s close adviser Mark Meadows hinted at an upcoming political “ticket” featuring Mr Trump

Donald Trump may no longer be president, but his allies are still acting like he is as he plots his political comeback, saying he’s been taking meetings with his “cabinet” officials in preparation for a potential 2024 presidential.

“We met with some of our cabinet members tonight,” Mark Meadows, his former White House chief of staff, told Newsmax on Friday.

“We actually had a follow up member meeting with some of our cabinet members and as we are looking into that, we are looking into what does come next. I’m not authorised to speak on behalf of the president, but I can tell you this: we wouldn’t be meeting tonight if we weren’t making plans to move forward in a real way with president Trump at the head of that ticket.”

67John5918
Ago 3, 11:53pm

Fourth officer who responded to US Capitol attack dies by suicide (Guardian)

A fourth police officer who defended the US Capitol during the 6 January insurrection by extremist supporters of Donald Trump is now confirmed to have taken his own life. Washington DC’s Metropolitan police department (MPD) confirmed late Monday that another of their officers, Kyle DeFreytag, died by suicide earlier in July, just hours after declaring that MPD officer Gunther Hashida killed himself on 29 July. In January MPD officer Jeffrey Smith, a 12-year veteran of the force, and Capitol police officer Howard Liebengood, a 16-year veteran, both of whom also responded to the 6 January attack, died by suicide...

68TheToadRevoltof84
Ago 4, 8:29pm

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69John5918
Ago 5, 12:08am

Two stories from CNN

Judge to Capitol riot defendant: 'Patriotism is loyalty to country, loyalty to the Constitution'

A federal judge rejected the argument that US Capitol rioters held in jail are being prosecuted for their political views and disavowed attempts to downplay the magnitude of the deadly insurrection during a sentencing on Wednesday. "You called yourself and everyone else patriots, but that's not patriotism," Judge Amy Berman Jackson said of defendant Karl Dresch. "Patriotism is loyalty to country, loyalty to the Constitution, not loyalty to a head of state. That is the tyranny we rejected on July 4." Jackson, known for her sharp criticism of the Trump administration's moves, called Dresch an "enthusiastic participant" in the effort "to subvert democracy, to stop the will of the people and replace it with the will of the mob"...


Senate unanimously votes to award Congressional Gold Medal to Capitol police and MPD

The Senate has unanimously awarded the Congressional Gold Medal to the officers of the US Capitol Police and the Washington, DC, Metropolitan Police Department, nearly seven months after the insurrection at the Capitol. Senate Majority Leader Chuck Schumer, while introducing the measure, which passed the House in June, said that "January 6th unleashed many horrors, but it also revealed many heroes." The bill now goes to President Joe Biden's desk for his signature. Schumer also criticized the 21 House Republicans who voted against the awarding of the medal, saying that some of them "were some of the same folks who likened the January 6th attack to, quote, a normal tourist visit, who deny the events that day were an insurrection. The same folks who screamed the loudest about the dangers of defunding the police, refuse to defend the police. The very police who shielded them from a vicious mob... For the life of me, I don't know how they sleep at night," Schumer said. But he suggested that the bill would not face any opposition in the upper chamber. "The Senate is different. I expect it will pass unanimously," which it did...

70kiparsky
Ago 5, 10:03am

>68 TheToadRevoltof84: You're seriously trying to stretch the ragged and threadbare conspiracy theories about the Clintons to include the suicide of police officers attacked by a rampaging mob of lunatic Trump supporters?

Isn't that kind of pathetic, even by y'all's standards?

71TheToadRevoltof84
Ago 5, 10:05am

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72Limelite
Editado: Ago 5, 8:20pm

>71 TheToadRevoltof84: Except there is direct associated culpability on the insurrectionists. Coincidentally. Second definition.

73John5918
Ago 14, 7:28am

US Capitol riot judges step up as the conscience of democracy while lawmakers squabble (CNN)

A "disgrace to our country." "The tyranny we rejected." "An embarrassment to every American."

In presiding over the cases of hundreds of people accused of breaching the US Capitol on January 6 in support of then-President Donald Trump, federal judges have not held back when describing the unprecedented nature of the events of that day. "You called yourself and everyone else patriots, but that's not patriotism," Judge Amy Berman Jackson told defendant Karl Dresch earlier this month. "Patriotism is loyalty to country, loyalty to the Constitution -- not loyalty to a head of state. That is the tyranny we rejected on July Fourth." As the congressional investigations grow more partisan -- and Democratic and Republican viewpoints on the significance of the Capitol attack grow farther apart -- it's notable that judges appointed by presidents of both parties have described the riot as an existential danger to American democracy. "It means that it will be harder today than it was seven months ago for the United States and our diplomats to convince other nations to pursue democracy," Judge Randolph Moss said at a July 19 sentencing hearing. "It means that it will be harder for all of us to convince our children and our grandchildren that democracy stands as the immutable foundation of this nation. It means that we are now all fearful about the next attack in a way that we never were"...

74John5918
Ago 15, 12:44am

Cybersleuths find men who allegedly attacked officer during US Capitol riot (Guardian)

A group of cybersleuths have tracked down two men who allegedly attacked police officer Jeffrey Smith at the US Capitol during the 6 January insurrection, leaving him with injuries that have been linked to his death days later.

In a new complaint, attorney David P Weber – who represents Smith’s widow, Erin – wrote that David Walls-Kaufman and and Taylor F Taranto appeared to specifically target Smith because his eyes and face were vulnerable. The lawsuit said Walls-Kaufman used a cane, crowbar or similar object to level a brain injury to Smith, who took his own life on 15 January. Jonathan Arden, DC’s former chief medical examiner, has attributed Smith’s death to post-concussion syndrome, which can lead to symptoms like depression and suicidal thoughts.

About a dozen people with the open-source intelligence group Deep State Dogs pored over evidence from the capitol attack for more than a month until they found footage of Smith and his assailants. “We felt we had to do something to honor the memory and family of Officer Smith"...

75lriley
Editado: Ago 15, 8:01am

#74–this Walls-Kaufman has his chiropractor practice some 4 blocks away from the Capitol and its grounds where the attempted coup took place. He’s a would be author and on his website you can see examples of his writings and beliefs and he’s hawking a book published by some right wing publisher. I’ve checked on LT and goodreads and there are 0 people at either site claiming ownership of the book.

He claims to be neither left or right and that politicians in general are crap but he has a real hatred for anything associated at all with Communism, Socialism or Marxism not that that’s unusual in this country but in this long winded essay I started on and didn’t finish it kept on coming up every two/three paragraphs so it’s a bit more than just an obsession. He seems to think that FDR was a socialist/communist. It’s all boilerplate and borrowed. He doesn’t have a serious critique of that which he hates so much because it’s East to tell he’s never attempted to seriously engage with it but this is probably the main thing that brought him out that day and what turned him into a Trump fanatic.

He’s also been practicing Tai Chi forever. He hooked up with this Taranto character who handed him a cane or a crowbar—they’re not sure yet and Taranto also passed him a gun. One of the two of them concussed the Capitol police officer Smith with that cane or crowbar or perhaps both of them did.

76Molly3028
Editado: Ago 19, 1:30pm

January 6 and beyond ~

https://www.mediaite.com/news/stunning-video-emerges-of-alleged-car-bomber-outsi...
Stunning Video Emerges of Alleged Car Bomber Outside Library of Congress: ‘Ready to Die for the Cause’
and
https://www.mediaite.com/news/ex-navy-seal-famous-for-claiming-he-killed-bin-lad...
Ex-Navy SEAL Famous for Claiming He Killed bin Laden Envies Taliban ‘(Taking) Back Their Country’ — Says He Wants To Do Same Here

My take ~ All Americans, women in particular, should be very frightened about these dudes, their insane ilk and their despicable aims. Our votes mean nothing to them. I assume Tucker Carlson is looking forward to interviewing these insane dudes.

77Limelite
Ago 19, 4:40pm

America has a white male problem.

78John5918
Ago 19, 11:58pm

Police identify suspect who surrendered after claiming to have a bomb near US Capitol (CNN)

A man with a history of supporting former President Donald Trump and who has said "all Democrats need to step down" was arrested Thursday after an hours-long standoff near the US Capitol during which he claimed to have an explosive device. Police have identified the suspect as 49-year-old Floyd Ray Roseberry of Grover, North Carolina. The incident prompted multiple buildings in the area to be evacuated Thursday as authorities responded to an "active bomb threat investigation"...

Roseberry had been live-streaming from the scene, Manger said. A roughly half-hour Facebook video showed him inside a truck, holding a cannister that he said was a bomb and speaking about a "revolution"... In video posted Thursday, Roseberry called himself a "patriot." He said he doesn't care if Trump ever becomes president again but also that he thinks "all Democrats need to step down"...

79lriley
Ago 20, 10:27am

#78—among the topics, things and people that this Roseberry was ranting about before he surrendered was Greta Thunberg. What is it with so many right wingers here in the United States that they get so worked up over a Scandinavian teenager? Her rise to international fame really is challenging for them.

80John5918
Editado: Ago 27, 12:41am

Capitol Police officer who killed Ashli Babbitt on January 6 speaks publicly for first time: 'I know that day I saved countless lives' (CNN)

The veteran US Capitol Police officer who killed pro-Trump rioter Ashli Babbitt went public Thursday, revealing his identity and defending his actions on January 6. "I know that day I saved countless lives," Lt. Michael Byrd said in an interview with "NBC Nightly News." "I know members of Congress, as well as my fellow officers and staff, were in jeopardy and in serious danger. And that's my job." The officer fatally shot Babbitt in the shoulder while she climbed through a window that led into the Speaker's Lobby, adjacent to the House chamber, while lawmakers were evacuating. "I tried to wait as long as I could," Byrd said of the incident in the doorway. "I hoped and prayed no one tried to enter through those doors. But their failure to comply required me to take the appropriate action to save the lives of members of Congress and myself and my fellow officers"...


Capitol police officers sue Trump and far-right groups over 6 January attack (Guardian)

Capitol police officers who were attacked and beaten during the insurrection at the US Congress on 6 January by extremist supporters of Donald Trump filed a lawsuit on Thursday against the former Republican president, his ally Roger Stone and members of far-right extremist groups. The officers accused them of intentionally sending a violent mob to disrupt the congressional certification of Joe Biden’s victory in the November 2020 election. The suit in federal court in Washington DC alleges Trump “worked with white supremacists, violent extremist groups, and campaign supporters to violate the Ku Klux Klan Act, and commit acts of domestic terrorism in an unlawful effort to stay in power”...

81John5918
Ago 28, 12:22am

California man charged with attacking Capitol police had history of assaulting activists (Guardian)

When David Dempsey was arrested in California on Thursday and charged with attacking police officers defending the US Capitol on 6 January, local activists in Los Angeles were not surprised. Federal prosecutors have accused 34-year-old Dempsey of striking police at the Capitol with improvised weapons, including a crutch and a pole, and spraying them with a chemical agent, according to the criminal complaint against him. Five months earlier, two Los Angeles men said, Dempsey had used the exact same tactics to assault them during tense summer political demonstrations in the Tujunga neighborhood and in Beverly Hills. One of these alleged assaults had happened directly in front of police officers in Beverly Hills, and the other was reported in detail to the Los Angeles police department, according to the two men. Both said that local police failed to follow up or to arrest Dempsey, even though he had previously been charged with using bear mace on anti-Trump protesters in Santa Monica, California, in 2019...

82Limelite
Ago 30, 6:01pm

14,000 Hours of Insurrection Surveillance Video Remain Secret

Capitol surveillance cameras captured more than 14,000 hours of footage between noon and 8 p.m. on Jan. 6. These videos would paint the most complete picture of what happened inside, but the US Capitol Police, backed by federal prosecutors, have strictly controlled who can see them and how much footage can be shared with the public.
The full accounting of the movements of key players that this collection of footage would provide — not just of rioters, but also lawmakers and police officers — is exactly why Capitol security officials don’t want them out there.

The videos would help fill in the timeline of where members of Congress went, what they were doing, and who they were with as rioters breached the building.

Rep. Bennie Thompson, chair of the special House committee investigating Jan. 6, told the Washington Post that they’re exploring information about the activities of Republican members who may have been in contact with former president Donald Trump during the riots.
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The clips of the Senate doorway incident were from a collection of videos prosecutors presented to a judge in arguing that Nathaniel DeGrave — charged with, among other things, being part of the hallway melee — should stay in jail pending trial. The US attorney’s office in Washington released nine videos from DeGrave’s case this month in response to a legal effort by media outlets (including BuzzFeed News), but successfully argued to keep two secret: recordings from surveillance cameras positioned elsewhere in the Capitol.
The reluctance of Capitol Police is explained by its desire to not disclose. . .
. . .this sensitive infrastructure to the public, including hundreds of individuals who have already shown a willingness to storm the Capitol in an attempt to obstruct such crucial proceedings to our democracy.
Further, the reluctance is withstanding legal challenges in criminal trial to release everything viewed by the court, at least in part.
The security concerns inherent in revealing the extent of the Capitol’s closed-circuit camera network have convinced at least one judge so far to keep videos sealed. But the ongoing investigations into Jan. 6 will continue to place pressure on the government’s desire to keep as much of this footage out of the public eye as possible.
(SNIP)
The government has cleared some footage for release in the months since the attack. During Trump’s impeachment trial in February, the Democratic impeachment managers — who were given access to all of the videos — played clips showing just how close lawmakers, congressional staff, and other public officials came to the rioters.
It is also valuable to law enforcement agencies working to capture and bring to justice the perpetrators. It is well within the interests of agencies like the FBI to protect its sources and methods that lead to its success in many cases.
Surveillance footage has been a wellspring of evidence for the FBI agents and prosecutors building cases against the nearly 600 people charged with participating in the riots. They’ve used it to bolster the mountain of evidence scattered across social media and other publicly available sources. Screenshots from these videos frequently crop up in charging papers as the government’s proof that a defendant was in a specific area of the Capitol at a specific time.
The BuzzFeed article is lengthy but important because it parses the many varied circumstances which must be considered before making decisions of full disclosure of the insurrection, especially when a thorough House Select Committee investigation is ongoing and so much preliminary evidence points to the enemy being within before the barbarians at the gates breached the Capitol building that day.