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January 6, 2021

1Molly3028
Editado: Ene 4, 2021, 4:03 pm



https://www.mediaite.com/election-2020/ben-sasse-reveals-gop-senators-care-about...
Ben Sasse Reveals GOP Senators Care ‘About How They Will Look’ to Trump’s Base While Completely Debunking Election Fraud Claims

My take ~ Many GOPers want to hang on to Trump's
white nationalist cult voters come hell or high water.
Continually shooting themselves in the foot appears to
be a long-term plan of those GOPers ~ their 21st
Century suicide mission continues.

2Limelite
Dic 31, 2020, 6:59 pm

Pence Asks Judge To Toss GOP Bid To Overturn EC Votes

Vice President Pence on Thursday asked a federal judge to reject a bid by Rep. Louie Gohmert (R-Texas) and other Republicans to broaden Pence’s powers in a manner that would effectively allow him to overturn President-elect Joe Biden’s electoral win. A ploy to look coy; a sincere effort to dissociated himself from lawmakers' madness and Trump's apron strings; or a fake protest because he intends to remain loyal to Trump and try to steal the election come hell or high water, in a bid for his 2024 ambitions?

It's apparent that Sen. Hawley of MO has presidential ambitions and is pinning his hopes on Trumpty Dumbpties shifting their allegiance to him in the next national election cycle. He's one of the most ambitious and shrewd Republicans in the Senate.
Pence said he was not a proper defendant to the suit.

A suit to establish that the Vice President has discretion over the count, filed against the Vice President, is a walking legal contradiction,” a Department of Justice attorney representing Pence wrote in the filing.

The Republican lawsuit seeks to invalidate the law as an unconstitutional constraint on the vice president's authority to choose among competing claims of victory when state-level election results are disputed.

Republicans in several key battleground states have disputed Biden's win and offered alternate "slates" of pro-Trump electors.
Imagine, if you will, Gohmert's suit prevails and Pence is immediately "endowed" with actual power in a heretofore ceremonial circumstance. Pence, who has publicly resisted Republican efforts to involve him in the anti-legitimate election is suddenly is in the spotlight he would have us believe he doesn't seek. Trump's pressure to exercise his new power, declare the EC validation invalid, and replace recognized electors with imposters will be enormous.

On his own, Pence's mind will be turning over his personal presidential calculations regarding his position January 6th vs. that of Hawley, and the mood of the Republican electorate. Should he "go" or should he "stay"? All the time he's fully aware of the vulture hovering behind him in Trump's form, a la Hillary Clinton.

I'll be watching from the edge of my seat with my bag of popcorn soaked in real butter, anxious to see Pence sweat.

3Molly3028
Editado: Ene 4, 2021, 4:03 pm

https://www.mediaite.com/election-2020/vp-joe-biden-overruled-objections-to-elec...

Joe Biden Overruled Democratic Objections to Electoral College Certification for President-Elect Trump in 2017

Wishful thinking? ~ I doubt that "mother" (Pence's
wife), or his other family members, will want Mike to
shirk his Constitutional duty to the country on January
6.

4Molly3028
Editado: Ene 1, 2021, 12:32 pm

https://www.mediaite.com/news/gop-congressman-slams-mark-levin-over-calling-him-...
GOP Congressman Slams Mark Levin Over Calling Him A ‘Reckless Politician’: ‘Godfather Of Outrage For Profit’

Truer words have never been spoken. GOP wingnut
radio and TV hosts have been playing the outrage-for-
profit scheme for years. They are Trump-like con men
with cult listeners and viewers who are the most
clueless, gullible people on the planet.

5Molly3028
Editado: Ene 1, 2021, 12:29 pm

https://www.newsweek.com/william-cohen-donald-trump-josh-hawley-republicans-new-...
Ex-GOP Senator Says Republicans Must Form New Party or Be Trump Hostages

AMEN ~ TOO many power hungry GOPers have become
disenchanted with states-rights advocacy during this
post-election process.

6Limelite
Ene 1, 2021, 7:29 pm

Let the Dissent Begin

Mitt Romney's voice in the wilderness of madness is being joined, if one or two others voicing their objections to Josh Hawley's gamble with political suicide is sufficient to suggest a shift away from the cray-cray. I won't call the growing chorus a return to reason, just a vocal stretch as they feel Trump's power waning. But it is heartwarming to see an increasing sense of willingness on the other side of the aisle to kick him in the butt on his way out the door.
“I think it’s awful. I am going to support my oath to the Constitution. That’s the loyalty test here,” said Sen. Lisa Murkowski (R-Alaska).

Sen. Mitt Romney (R-Utah) called Hawley’s move “disappointing and destructive. And borrowing from Ben Sasse it’s ambition pointing a gun at the head of democracy.” Sasse (R-Neb.) said this week that "adults don’t point a loaded gun at the heart of legitimate self-government."

“I’m going to vote to certify the election,” said Sen. Roger Wicker (R-Miss.) of Hawley’s effort. “I don’t think it’s a good idea and I don’t understand his reasoning.”

Sens. Shelly Moore Capito (R-W.Va.), Susan Collins (R-Maine) and Richard Burr (R-N.C.), who flatly said “no” Friday when asked if he would join Hawley. A simple majority is enough to certify Biden’s win, and there are 48 Senate Democrats.
In the now famous phrase of Sen. Thune -- he whom Trump wants primaried by the bat shit crazy South Dakota Gov. Kristi Noem -- the Dissenters want this empty exercise to "go down like a shot dog." At last, they're starting to pump some bullets into it.

7Molly3028
Editado: Ene 2, 2021, 8:16 am

Hawley may be on a mission to "kill two birds with one
stone." He wants to gain Trump's favor now, and he
wants to be seen as a hero that Trump's cult followers
could willingly accept as a national candidate in the
future. This move could leapfrog him over Pence and
anyone else contemplating a national run. With Trump
and his cult followers on his side, he could give the
GOP leaders one of three fingers.

Power-hungry Congressional senators are turning out
to be hard-to-herd cats!

8Limelite
Ene 1, 2021, 11:36 pm

Loony Looey's Bizzaro Lawsuit Dismissed

Judge Jeremy Kernodle, a Trump appointee isn't having any of it. Crack! goes another Kraken! No legal standing, again. Gohmert sued the wrong person by naming Pence a defendant and as far as Gohmert's co-plaintiffs, the Republican fake electors of AZ, are concerned, they "allege an injury that is not fairly traceable to the Defendant, the Vice President of the United States." In other words, "What the hell are you fake electors doing in my court? Get thee hence." Just like all the other judges.

There are no "competing electors." There are the electors for Biden and the fake wannabe Republican electors put forward by crackpots in AZ for The Biggest LOSER. If Gohmert doesn't like the ECA law and wants to file a lawsuit, then his defendants would have to be the US House and Senate, not the VP.
It is well established that a plaintiff lacks standing where it is ‘uncertain that granting the plaintiff the relief it wants would remedy its injuries.’ Accordingly, the Court finds that the Nominee-Electors lack standing. . . The Court therefore DISMISSES the case without prejudice.

9MsMixte
Ene 2, 2021, 12:09 am

>8 Limelite: Some may ask why this was dismissed without prejudice (meaning, normally, that a suit could be reworked and filed again). The answer, apparently, is that any time a federal court dismisses a claim for lack of jurisdiction, the dismissal is necessarily "without prejudice" because the court didn't decide the merits. Since these plaintiffs lack standing in the first place, it will preclude them from bringing the same claims again in any federal court. Now, if they happen to find someone with standing, the suit could be re-filed. That's not very likely, though.

10Molly3028
Editado: Ene 2, 2021, 4:27 pm

Saturday, January 2
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2021/01/02/cruz-johnson-9-other-gop-sena...

My take ~
The GOP's 21st Century suicide mission continues. A
number of lunatic senators, headed by Cruz, are
working to destroy Lincoln's party before the brown
demographic wave has the opportunity to commence
the destruction. New brown voters will not be joining
the white nationalist cult that remains in its place.

11Limelite
Ene 2, 2021, 8:23 pm

>9 MsMixte:

Thanks for your comment. Helpful!

12MsMixte
Editado: Ene 2, 2021, 9:44 pm

>11 Limelite: You are welcome. Note that the ridiculous follow-up appeal filed by Goober Gohmert got knocked out of the stadium in what was probably a record smackdown. Judges noted that they, the administrative panel, had the benefit of the briefing before the court, and therefore didn't need to waste time saying NO, YOU CLOWNS (they put it more politely, however).

GET OUT AND STAY OUT OF OUR COURT.

13Molly3028
Editado: Ene 3, 2021, 9:40 am

The modern-day GOPers are making Nixon and his era
look better & better every single day of this disgusting
Trump era. They love wearing flag pins, but they hate
our 21st Century democracy.

When Trump decided to run as a GOPer in 2015, he
saw a con man's paradise. Events have shown him to
be 100% correct.

14John5918
Ene 2, 2021, 11:14 pm

Senators in final bid to derail certification of Biden's victory (BBC)

A group of US senators say they will refuse to certify Joe Biden's election victory unless a commission is set up to investigate alleged voter fraud. The 11 senators and senators-elect, led by Ted Cruz, want a 10-day delay to audit the unsubstantiated allegations. The move is not expected to succeed as most senators are expected to endorse Mr Biden in the 6 January vote...

it is clear - if it wasn't already - that the party's heart continues to be with Donald Trump's efforts to overturn his presidential loss. The effort will be futile, given the Democratic majority in the House of Representatives, but the goal for many of these politicians is not to pull off a miraculous reversal of fortune for the president. Instead, it is to curry favour with Trump's loyal base. They are wagering that the road to success in the Republican Party will continue to run through Trump and his faithful, whose support could be invaluable to senators with presidential ambitions, like Ted Cruz of Texas or Josh Hawley of Missouri, or ones concerned about future primary opposition from pro-Trump politicians...

It is a sign that the partisan rancour in the US, exacerbated by Trump's scorched-earth fight to hold on to the presidency, will not fade away anytime soon...

15Molly3028
Editado: Ene 4, 2021, 4:08 pm

https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2021/01/what-republicans-are-doing-wor...

by Tom Nichols ~
*a Never Trump life-time conservative
*an academic specialist on international affairs who
often appeared on Crossfire on CNN
*now a professor at the U.S. Naval War College in R.I.
*was a 1970's student in the high school where I was teaching

"The sedition caucus is worse than a treasonous
conspiracy. At least real traitors believe in something.
These people instead believe only in their own fortunes
and thus will change flags and loyalties as
circumstances require. They will always become what
they pretend to be, and so they cannot—and must not
—be trusted ever again with political power."

My take about the GOPers' actions ~ the coming brown
demographic wave is scaring the hell out of them!

16Limelite
Ene 4, 2021, 4:16 pm

"Sedition Caucus" could not be more precise. If Democrats win the Senate, I certainly hope they will react appropriately to that group's ultimate disregard for their oaths of honor to the Constitution. What they have done and intend to do is actual tampering with an election, for which there are state and federal laws that criminalize such behavior.

The Sedition Caucus, and Trump should be charged with sedition, beyond the chamber disciplines available, i.e. censure. They are truly working to overthrow a legitimately elected government placed in power by the American people from whom all power flows. Nancy Pelosi should exercise her legal powers as Speaker to impose punishment on any House members who have signed on as well.

Regardless. This tape is Trump's legacy. The words, more importantly his tone.

17Limelite
Ene 4, 2021, 8:31 pm

The 13 Republicans aligning themselves with Trump's interminable efforts to overturn the election are no different from necrophiliacs.

182wonderY
Ene 4, 2021, 9:57 pm

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2021/01/04/proud-boys-leader-arrested...

Tarrio was arrested for an offense from his December visit. But he also had ammunition and a “high capacity feeding device” today. Mischief planned?

19Molly3028
Editado: Ene 5, 2021, 8:28 am

https://www.mediaite.com/election-2020/george-will-says-cruz-and-hawley-are-wors...

George Will Says Cruz and Hawley Are Worse Than ‘Demented’ Conspiracy Theorists in Scathing Op-Ed

As Will sees it, the willingness of Hawley and Cruz to question the results of the November general election—despite there being no reliable evidence in support—is entirely about each of the senator’s craven political ambitions for a 2024 run to the White House.

and

My take on the Georgia election ~ If the GOP keeps
control of the U.S. Senate, God forbid, the crap we
have been experiencing the last two months is going to
be continuing every single day of the next four years.
Torturing Americans is what the GOP does best in 21st
Century America.

202wonderY
Ene 5, 2021, 12:24 pm

>19 Molly3028: He sounds pretty disgusted with his party.

21Limelite
Ene 5, 2021, 1:18 pm

>20 2wonderY:

Ex-party.

Will left the Repub. P. long ago and may still be an Independent. "In June 2016, citing his disapproval of Trump, Will told journalist Nicholas Ballasy in an interview that he had left the Republican party and was registered as an unaffiliated voter."

22Limelite
Ene 5, 2021, 1:25 pm

A ghastly thought just occurred to me.

If the GA runoff is tight like the national election was, and since Trump has already said that the runoff is fixed and votes for Repubs "won't count," how much you wanna bet Perdue and Loeffler pull the same kind of kabuki and chaos act of endless baseless contention, with the help of wing nut Republicans, that Trump has pulled over his loss in the state?

Then, Congressional governance will remain sick and Moscow Mitch will be even more anxious to shove judges thru and block meaningful legislation. Hawley and Cruz will chortle and carry on like they're doing now, suffering no punishment or consequences. Americans will suffer even more than they have been this past year for the sake of some deplorable senators' personal ambitions.

GAK!

23kiparsky
Ene 5, 2021, 2:09 pm

Since each of member of the sedition caucus was re-elected on the same ballots they're challenging, I think it would be only right to demand that they step down before they're allowed to bring their challenges. If the election was fraudulent, then clearly they're not representatives.

24davidgn
Ene 5, 2021, 3:53 pm

For anyone who hasn't seen the Steve Schmidt/Ali Veshi interview from the 3rd...
https://twitter.com/SteveSchmidtSES/status/1345748737902202880

252wonderY
Ene 5, 2021, 7:39 pm

26Molly3028
Ene 6, 2021, 5:27 am

Time has come for Pence to carry out his Constitutional duties!

27margd
Ene 6, 2021, 6:39 am

>22 Limelite: Unfortunately, bitterness and rancor may become a regular feature now of state and national elections...

In Pennsylvania State Senate, Repugs are refusing to seat a Dem while they battle his election in the courts. "...a departure from the normally staid and sedate workings of the chamber...potentially sets the stage for a tumultuous two-year session, which will include debate over key legislative priorities such as redistricting..."

https://www.inquirer.com/politics/pennsylvania/spl/john-fetterman-pennsylvania-s...

28mamzel
Ene 6, 2021, 2:18 pm

Watching scene outside Capitol and inside Senate. What a zoo!
I have to admit I'm more than a little nervous.

29kiparsky
Ene 6, 2021, 2:54 pm

I wonder if our token Trumpists are going to acknowledge that they are on the side of anarchy* and violence, and that they stand against America, or if they're going to try to pretend that they're somehow not traitors looking to destroy this country.

We'll see.

* as distinct from anarchism...

30LolaWalser
Ene 6, 2021, 3:10 pm

>29 kiparsky:

(* as distinct from anarchism...

Thank you! :))

31margd
Editado: Jun 30, 2021, 2:37 pm

Horror to watch...again, only this time with guide to times and locations and groups and communications:

Day of Rage: An In-Depth Look at How a Mob Stormed the Capitol (40:21)
Dmitriy Khavin, Haley Willis, Evan Hill, Natalie Reneau, Drew Jordan, Cora Engelbrecht, Christiaan Triebert, Stella Cooper, Malachy Browne and David Botti • June 30, 2021

A six-month Times investigation has synchronized and mapped out thousands of videos and police radio communications from the Jan. 6 Capitol riot, providing the most complete picture to date of what happened — and why.

https://www.nytimes.com/video/us/politics/100000007606996/capitol-riot-trump-sup...

32Limelite
Jun 30, 2021, 5:07 pm

First Boogaloo Arrest Signals More To Come

Have a look at how the accused, Steven Thurlow, dresses to go to a peaceful protest.

Ahh nothing like a new pair of 511’s and fresh set of level IV SAPI’s in the plate As it says in the affidavit about his image posted to Facebook, quoting Thurlow: Ahh nothing like a new pair of 511’s and fresh set of level IV SAPI’s in the plate carrier to go “peacefully protest” with.(sic) And from the FBI special agent investigater about the image included in the affidavit:
"Image 1 shows a man in camouflage tactical gear with a 'Boogaloo' patch on his chest, as well as a 'Torii' patch on the body armor," the affidavit reads. "Based on my training, experience, and other investigations, I know that the 'Boogaloo' is a term referencing a violent uprising or impending civil war. The term is sometimes used by militia extremists and racially or ethnically motivated violent extremists (RMVE), who allude to it using shorthand such as 'big igloo' or 'big luau' and imagery such as igloos or Hawaiian shirts."
"'SAPI' refers to a Small Arms Protective Insert, and that a Level IV 'SAPI' plate is a high-level ballistic body armor plate that is rated to withstand a direct hit by a high-muzzle velocity armor piercing bullet."

33lriley
Jun 30, 2021, 6:58 pm

I was in the local hospital when this happened and on pain meds and that night was taken on a two hour ambulance ride to the cancer center in Rochester. So oblivious to what happened that day this is what I woke up to on Jan. 7 and I can remember how furious these assclowns made me and I’m still really angry with them but even more so with Trump and his congressional enablers.

34Limelite
Jul 1, 2021, 1:22 pm

>33 lriley: Never mind the "thems." How are you?

35lriley
Jul 1, 2021, 6:45 pm

#34–doing pretty good. The transplant had me in the hospital again for another 15 days but the side effects are over. The back is still bugging me but I can walk more or less okay.

The transplant doctor suggested I get revaccinated for Covid in August. NYS not having a policy for that I decided to bug my state Senator (a republican—but almost anyone elected around here is a republican). Anyway his office got back to me and it looks like we’re going to work it out. In October I get measles, chickenpox, polio etc. etc. all over again.

36mamzel
Jul 2, 2021, 3:07 pm

I am also a transplant patient but I haven't heard anything about a COVID booster from any of my doctors. Guess I'll have to bring it up to them. Will try to find article(s) on the topic to quote.

37lriley
Jul 2, 2021, 4:20 pm

#36–not about a booster shot. It’s about getting re-vaccinated or both shots again. The transplant was two months ago and their concern is that the transplant wiped the vaccine out of my system. I had an appt. with my local oncologist today and he agreed with the transplant doctor’s suggestion and said he would fax over a request. The myeloma specialist also agreed with that assessment.

I would think if you were vaccinated for Covid after your transplant that you should be fine.

38margd
Editado: Jul 2, 2021, 7:29 pm

I think your MD can confirm whether vaxx took with tests?

39Limelite
Jul 2, 2021, 10:56 pm

>37 lriley: So sorry to hear about all you've been through and hope that you're feeling better soon. Sounds wise for you to get revaccinated.

As an older person, I know that vaccine efficacy isn't as robust in people once we get past 50. That's why there are two levels of flu vaccines -- the one for us old folks is a stronger dose necessary to elicit an immune response. If you're not a young sprout AND have a transplant for which you receive immunosuppressants in order to maintain the transplant, you have a double whammy working against your immune response.

The doctor's advice seems reasonable when you take all that into account. And if you've had chemo, well, as the oncologists say, "The body remembers." In short, maybe you're not producing all the types of white blood cells at normal healthy levels. Another inhibition of your immune system.

But I bet you've been all through this with your medicos and I'm managing to do a good imitation of "man 'splaining." Take care and know your friends on LT want the best for you.

40John5918
Jul 3, 2021, 12:16 am

>39 Limelite: Take care and know your friends on LT want the best for you

Yes indeed. Let me endorse that sentiment. All the best, Larry.

41lriley
Jul 3, 2021, 9:27 am

#38,39,40–well for all I’m not doing badly at all and I expect my back will sooner or later come around. Covid is the main but not only reason I’ll be keeping a low profile for a while. I’m scheduled for vaccination for all the childhood stuff—measles, chickenpox, polio etc. etc. in October. Apparently I can potentially get the chickenpox again. I basically need to recharge my entire immune system.

42mamzel
Jul 3, 2021, 2:05 pm

>41 lriley: Would it be chicken pox "again" or shingles which I understand is horrible.

43lriley
Editado: Jul 3, 2021, 5:32 pm

#42–I have been taking valcyclovir (sp?) every day since the beginning of my treatment which is to keep the shingles away. From what I understand that will go for at least a year. Somewhere around the 9 month post transplant mark I’ll get a first shingles shot and the second 3 months after that. That’s more or less the chickenpox thing I would suppose.

I also know flu shots, polio, mmr (measles, mumps, rubella), hepatitis, pneumonia and tetanus are all on the menu.

44Limelite
Editado: Jul 3, 2021, 8:32 pm

'Enough of This Crap!' Former Republican Explodes Against Opposition to ‘Absolutely Friggin' Necessary’ 1/6 Investigation

Former Rep. Denver Riggleman (R-Va.) shared his reaction to a recent report about an individual who participated in the U.S. Capitol ins When asked by CNN if Minority Leader Kevin McCarthy will try to “muck up” this committee, Riggleman said McCarthy is “going to have to make fun of it” and attack it as partisan to discredit it. Not a very strong position, considering the lack of success Republicans have had attacking Biden's bills and character.
It is time for us, for Americans to do something to find out in analysis what happened on January 6th, how it happened. And we need to go back a year or two. We need to actually get everybody in the same room — domestic individuals, transnational threats… We need to look at the gaps and the priorities that we need to actually look at that law enforcement didn’t have time to do to see why this happened. This is absolutely friggin’ necessary.
I wonder what Riggleman knows or suspects about his fellow Republican legislators from his time in the House that he wants the inquiries to go back in time two years? Maybe we'll find out this summer.

45lriley
Editado: Jul 4, 2021, 9:59 am

Groups like the proud boys and the Oathkeepers made gains between Charlottesville and the Capitol riot. The Trump presidency gave them encouragement and the respectability they craved from those on the conservative side of things. The proud boys had already staged themselves outside of congress even before Trump’s speech was over on that day. They had a plan and believed trump had their back come hell or high water. Trump is actually the one who stood down on that day. He watched to see if Pence and Pelosi would be intimidated and they weren’t diverted and then also he saw the rioters finally cleared from the Capitol building with their tails between their legs. It all collapsed for him with those two events.

46margd
Editado: Jul 10, 2021, 6:24 am

CPAC...

Andrew Solender (Forbes) @AndrewSolender | 5:35 PM · Jul 9, 2021:
CPAC attendee sent me this pic of a card they were handed about a
“7-pt. plan to restore Donald J. Trump in days, not years,”
which involves installing Trump as speaker and ousting Biden & Harris.

Image https://twitter.com/AndrewSolender/status/1413612849952395265/photo/1

--------------------------------------------------

Stewart Rhodes, founder of right-wing Oath Keepers militia, spotted at CPAC
Multiple federal agencies are investigating the Oath Keepers for their alleged role in the Jan. 6 insurrection
Zachary Petrizzo | July 9, 2021

https://www.salon.com/2021/07/09/stewart-rhodes-founder-of-right-wing-oath-keepe...

47lriley
Jul 10, 2021, 7:26 am

#46–LOL! at their 7 point plan. No. 1–the congressional black caucus is going to flip over to the republicans en masse. Fantasy world shit.

48margd
Jul 10, 2021, 10:50 am

>47 lriley: I know! And this is the kind of thinking that led to Jan.6...

49Limelite
Jul 14, 2021, 4:16 pm

Jan. 6 Select Committee Hearings To Begin July 27

As per MSNBC, the initial hearing will hear from witnesses who are/were members of the police and Capitol police forces. The hearings will proceed as per chairman, Bernie Thompson, for as long as it takes with or without Kevin McCarthy's cooperation in appointing Republican members to the Committee. It is already bipartisan with the participation of Liz Cheney.

50Earthling1
Jul 14, 2021, 8:42 pm

Este miembro ha sido suspendido del sitio.

51margd
Jul 19, 2021, 1:08 pm

First US Capitol rioter convicted of a felony gets 8 months in prison
Marshall Cohen | July 19, 2021

...a closely watched case that could influence how hundreds of other rioters charged with the same felony are punished.

Paul Hodgkins, a 38-year-old Floridian, is now the first Capitol rioter charged with a felony to be sentenced. He pleaded guilty last month to obstructing congressional proceedings -- specifically, the counting of the electoral votes, which he helped delay by storming the Senate chamber on January 6. He spent about 15 minutes inside, wearing a Donald Trump shirt and carrying a Trump flag.

The sentence is less than the 1.5-year sentence that the Justice Department asked for. Hodgkins was seeking probation...

https://www.cnn.com/2021/07/19/politics/capitol-riot-felony-paul-hodgkins/index....

52Limelite
Jul 19, 2021, 2:29 pm

New Book Points To Discrepancies in DOJ Timeline

The book is I Alone Can Fix It: DJT's Catastrophic Final Year by Carol Leonnig and Philip Rucker.

Here's the first example noted by Ryan Goodman on his Twitter account. Joint Chiefs' #GenMilley recommended calling up neighboring National Guard units immediately (Army Sec. McCarthy doesn't get around to it until 2.5hrs after Capitol breached).

Here's the Pentagon Timeline


Here's the Passage from the Book


Here's another discrepancy: 4:39pm call between Acting SecDef Miller and White House chief of staff Meadows.

The Pentagon Timeline


The Book


I rec following the link to Goodman's Twitter and reading further where he raises interesting questions about the "facts" that unfolded Jan 6.
I Alone Can Fix It

53mamzel
Jul 19, 2021, 3:22 pm

>51 margd: And he can't vote now either, right?

54margd
Editado: Jul 19, 2021, 4:49 pm

>53 mamzel: Once he's out and paid any fines, etc., I think he can vote in Florida? Referendum + state legislation (pay fines)? Might not be able to in 2022?

55John5918
Jul 25, 2021, 5:32 am

Heavy Metal Guitarist-Turned-Capitol Rioter Has Feces Thrown at Him in Jail (Daily Beast)

Heavy metal band Iced Earth’s guitarist Jon Schaffer, who pleaded guilty to charges related to the Capitol riot, had feces thrown at him and faced death threats during a hellish stint at an Indiana jail, according to his lawyer...


While one certainly cannot condone attacks on a fellow prisoner, nevertheless this sort of thing suggests that ordinary criminals are treating the 6th January insurrectionists with the same contempt with which they regard paedophiles. Maybe ordinary criminals are more "patriotic" (whatever that tired old term means) than the pro-Trump insurrectionists?

56Kuiperdolin
Jul 25, 2021, 7:28 pm

Jailbirds sure know which party has their back, as do I. Others?

57John5918
Editado: Jul 28, 2021, 12:07 am

>56 Kuiperdolin:

Do you think it's about parties? Another way of looking at it would be that even ordinary criminals despise people who try to overthrow democracy, such as this insurrectionist.

58Limelite
Jul 27, 2021, 4:40 pm

>56 Kuiperdolin: For accuracy's sake, let's just say that the prisoners feel about insurrectionists against the rule of law in a more patriotic way than Republicans do. You?

59Limelite
Editado: Jul 27, 2021, 6:20 pm

Three Days of Infamy

In modern American history, we now have three dates indelibly stamped on our brains. All three were terrorist attacks.

1.Pearl Harbor -- Terrorist attack by Japan on Hawaii
2. 9/11 -- Terrorist attack by Arab Jihadists on America
3. 1/6/21 -- Terrorist attack by Republican MAGAs on America

60Novak
Editado: Jul 27, 2021, 6:02 pm

>59 Limelite: Agreed. Having a bit of trouble with "2" ? 😎

61Limelite
Jul 27, 2021, 6:20 pm

>60 Novak: LoL Yes! I have cats.

62margd
Jul 28, 2021, 9:00 am

Audio shows a profanity-laced voicemail that DC officer Michael Fanone got from a Trump supporter while he was testifying to Congress
Sinéad Baker | 7/28/2021

..."Yeah, this is for Michael Fanone, Metropolitan Police officer. You're on trial right now, lying. You want an Emmy? An Oscar? What are you trying to go for here? You're so full of shit you little f----- f-----. You're a little p----, man. I could slap you up the side your head with a backhand and knock you out, you little f-----.

"You're a punk f-----. You're a lying f---. How about all that scummy Black f---ing scum for two years destroying our cities and burning 'em and stealing all that s--- out of the stores and everything. How about that? Assaulting cops and killing people? How about that, you f-----?

"That was s--- on the goddamn Capitol. I wish they woulda killed all you scumbags 'cause you people are scum. They stole the election from Trump and you know that, you scumbag. And f---ing too bad they didn't beat the s--- out of you more. You're a piece of shit. You're a little f--, you f---ing scumbag."...

https://www.businessinsider.com/michael-fanone-plays-explicit-voicemail-during-j...

63Kuiperdolin
Jul 28, 2021, 5:43 pm

>57 John5918: sure do. Demonrat is the party of pro crime always do criminals favors and persecute the victims. If criminals don't serve as goons for Demonrats, ingrates! Hinckley never assaulted in Butner.

64John5918
Editado: Jul 30, 2021, 4:53 am

Ex-cop who stormed US Capitol is jailed after buying 37 guns and posting that 'violence' is better than 'peaceful protest' (CNN)

A Virginia police officer who was fired after storming the US Capitol was jailed Wednesday by a federal judge because he ordered a large stockpile of guns and ammunition after his January arrest, and posted online in support of future political violence. Thomas Robertson, a retired Army Reservist who later worked for the Rocky Mount Police Department, was one of the first rioters charged by the Justice Department. He was released in January but re-arrested this month after investigators said they found a rifle and bomb-making material in his home, and also learned that he recently bought another 37 guns on the Internet. The decision from Judge Christopher Cooper means Robertson will stay behind bars until his case is resolved, which could take months or even drag into 2022...

65margd
Ago 1, 2021, 9:01 am

Already Distorting Jan. 6, G.O.P. Now Concocts Entire Counternarrative
In the Republicans’ disinformation campaign, the arrested Capitol rioters are political prisoners and Speaker Nancy Pelosi is to blame for the attack.
Lisa Lerer and Nicholas Fandos | July 31, 2021

...This rendering of events — together with new evidence that Mr. Trump had counted on allies in Congress to help him use a baseless allegation of corruption to overturn the election — pointed to what some democracy experts see as a dangerous new sign in American politics: Even with Mr. Trump gone from the White House, many Republicans have little intention of abandoning the prevarication that was a hallmark of his presidency.

Rather, as the country struggles with the consequences of Mr. Trump’s assault on the legitimacy of the nation’s elections, leaders of his party — who, unlike the former president, have not lost their political or rhetorical platforms — are signaling their willingness to continue, look past or even expand his assault on the facts for political gain.

...With members of the select committee hinting that they could subpoena Trump aides, allies on Capitol Hill and perhaps Mr. Trump himself, the counterfactual counterattack could pre-emptively undercut an investigation of the riot.The phenomenon is not uniquely American...

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/07/31/us/politics/jan-6-capitol-riot-pelosi.html?re...

66davidgn
Editado: Ago 1, 2021, 6:29 pm

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/trump-mark-meadows...

Mark Meadows says Trump meeting with ‘cabinet members’ despite not having a cabinet
The president’s close adviser Mark Meadows hinted at an upcoming political “ticket” featuring Mr Trump

Donald Trump may no longer be president, but his allies are still acting like he is as he plots his political comeback, saying he’s been taking meetings with his “cabinet” officials in preparation for a potential 2024 presidential.

“We met with some of our cabinet members tonight,” Mark Meadows, his former White House chief of staff, told Newsmax on Friday.

“We actually had a follow up member meeting with some of our cabinet members and as we are looking into that, we are looking into what does come next. I’m not authorised to speak on behalf of the president, but I can tell you this: we wouldn’t be meeting tonight if we weren’t making plans to move forward in a real way with president Trump at the head of that ticket.”

67John5918
Ago 3, 2021, 11:53 pm

Fourth officer who responded to US Capitol attack dies by suicide (Guardian)

A fourth police officer who defended the US Capitol during the 6 January insurrection by extremist supporters of Donald Trump is now confirmed to have taken his own life. Washington DC’s Metropolitan police department (MPD) confirmed late Monday that another of their officers, Kyle DeFreytag, died by suicide earlier in July, just hours after declaring that MPD officer Gunther Hashida killed himself on 29 July. In January MPD officer Jeffrey Smith, a 12-year veteran of the force, and Capitol police officer Howard Liebengood, a 16-year veteran, both of whom also responded to the 6 January attack, died by suicide...

68TheToadRevoltof84
Ago 4, 2021, 8:29 pm

Este miembro ha sido suspendido del sitio.

69John5918
Ago 5, 2021, 12:08 am

Two stories from CNN

Judge to Capitol riot defendant: 'Patriotism is loyalty to country, loyalty to the Constitution'

A federal judge rejected the argument that US Capitol rioters held in jail are being prosecuted for their political views and disavowed attempts to downplay the magnitude of the deadly insurrection during a sentencing on Wednesday. "You called yourself and everyone else patriots, but that's not patriotism," Judge Amy Berman Jackson said of defendant Karl Dresch. "Patriotism is loyalty to country, loyalty to the Constitution, not loyalty to a head of state. That is the tyranny we rejected on July 4." Jackson, known for her sharp criticism of the Trump administration's moves, called Dresch an "enthusiastic participant" in the effort "to subvert democracy, to stop the will of the people and replace it with the will of the mob"...


Senate unanimously votes to award Congressional Gold Medal to Capitol police and MPD

The Senate has unanimously awarded the Congressional Gold Medal to the officers of the US Capitol Police and the Washington, DC, Metropolitan Police Department, nearly seven months after the insurrection at the Capitol. Senate Majority Leader Chuck Schumer, while introducing the measure, which passed the House in June, said that "January 6th unleashed many horrors, but it also revealed many heroes." The bill now goes to President Joe Biden's desk for his signature. Schumer also criticized the 21 House Republicans who voted against the awarding of the medal, saying that some of them "were some of the same folks who likened the January 6th attack to, quote, a normal tourist visit, who deny the events that day were an insurrection. The same folks who screamed the loudest about the dangers of defunding the police, refuse to defend the police. The very police who shielded them from a vicious mob... For the life of me, I don't know how they sleep at night," Schumer said. But he suggested that the bill would not face any opposition in the upper chamber. "The Senate is different. I expect it will pass unanimously," which it did...

70kiparsky
Ago 5, 2021, 10:03 am

>68 TheToadRevoltof84: You're seriously trying to stretch the ragged and threadbare conspiracy theories about the Clintons to include the suicide of police officers attacked by a rampaging mob of lunatic Trump supporters?

Isn't that kind of pathetic, even by y'all's standards?

71TheToadRevoltof84
Ago 5, 2021, 10:05 am

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72Limelite
Editado: Ago 5, 2021, 8:20 pm

>71 TheToadRevoltof84: Except there is direct associated culpability on the insurrectionists. Coincidentally. Second definition.

73John5918
Ago 14, 2021, 7:28 am

US Capitol riot judges step up as the conscience of democracy while lawmakers squabble (CNN)

A "disgrace to our country." "The tyranny we rejected." "An embarrassment to every American."

In presiding over the cases of hundreds of people accused of breaching the US Capitol on January 6 in support of then-President Donald Trump, federal judges have not held back when describing the unprecedented nature of the events of that day. "You called yourself and everyone else patriots, but that's not patriotism," Judge Amy Berman Jackson told defendant Karl Dresch earlier this month. "Patriotism is loyalty to country, loyalty to the Constitution -- not loyalty to a head of state. That is the tyranny we rejected on July Fourth." As the congressional investigations grow more partisan -- and Democratic and Republican viewpoints on the significance of the Capitol attack grow farther apart -- it's notable that judges appointed by presidents of both parties have described the riot as an existential danger to American democracy. "It means that it will be harder today than it was seven months ago for the United States and our diplomats to convince other nations to pursue democracy," Judge Randolph Moss said at a July 19 sentencing hearing. "It means that it will be harder for all of us to convince our children and our grandchildren that democracy stands as the immutable foundation of this nation. It means that we are now all fearful about the next attack in a way that we never were"...

74John5918
Ago 15, 2021, 12:44 am

Cybersleuths find men who allegedly attacked officer during US Capitol riot (Guardian)

A group of cybersleuths have tracked down two men who allegedly attacked police officer Jeffrey Smith at the US Capitol during the 6 January insurrection, leaving him with injuries that have been linked to his death days later.

In a new complaint, attorney David P Weber – who represents Smith’s widow, Erin – wrote that David Walls-Kaufman and and Taylor F Taranto appeared to specifically target Smith because his eyes and face were vulnerable. The lawsuit said Walls-Kaufman used a cane, crowbar or similar object to level a brain injury to Smith, who took his own life on 15 January. Jonathan Arden, DC’s former chief medical examiner, has attributed Smith’s death to post-concussion syndrome, which can lead to symptoms like depression and suicidal thoughts.

About a dozen people with the open-source intelligence group Deep State Dogs pored over evidence from the capitol attack for more than a month until they found footage of Smith and his assailants. “We felt we had to do something to honor the memory and family of Officer Smith"...

75lriley
Editado: Ago 15, 2021, 8:01 am

#74–this Walls-Kaufman has his chiropractor practice some 4 blocks away from the Capitol and its grounds where the attempted coup took place. He’s a would be author and on his website you can see examples of his writings and beliefs and he’s hawking a book published by some right wing publisher. I’ve checked on LT and goodreads and there are 0 people at either site claiming ownership of the book.

He claims to be neither left or right and that politicians in general are crap but he has a real hatred for anything associated at all with Communism, Socialism or Marxism not that that’s unusual in this country but in this long winded essay I started on and didn’t finish it kept on coming up every two/three paragraphs so it’s a bit more than just an obsession. He seems to think that FDR was a socialist/communist. It’s all boilerplate and borrowed. He doesn’t have a serious critique of that which he hates so much because it’s East to tell he’s never attempted to seriously engage with it but this is probably the main thing that brought him out that day and what turned him into a Trump fanatic.

He’s also been practicing Tai Chi forever. He hooked up with this Taranto character who handed him a cane or a crowbar—they’re not sure yet and Taranto also passed him a gun. One of the two of them concussed the Capitol police officer Smith with that cane or crowbar or perhaps both of them did.

76Molly3028
Editado: Ago 19, 2021, 1:30 pm

January 6 and beyond ~

https://www.mediaite.com/news/stunning-video-emerges-of-alleged-car-bomber-outsi...
Stunning Video Emerges of Alleged Car Bomber Outside Library of Congress: ‘Ready to Die for the Cause’
and
https://www.mediaite.com/news/ex-navy-seal-famous-for-claiming-he-killed-bin-lad...
Ex-Navy SEAL Famous for Claiming He Killed bin Laden Envies Taliban ‘(Taking) Back Their Country’ — Says He Wants To Do Same Here

My take ~ All Americans, women in particular, should be very frightened about these dudes, their insane ilk and their despicable aims. Our votes mean nothing to them. I assume Tucker Carlson is looking forward to interviewing these insane dudes.

77Limelite
Ago 19, 2021, 4:40 pm

America has a white male problem.

78John5918
Ago 19, 2021, 11:58 pm

Police identify suspect who surrendered after claiming to have a bomb near US Capitol (CNN)

A man with a history of supporting former President Donald Trump and who has said "all Democrats need to step down" was arrested Thursday after an hours-long standoff near the US Capitol during which he claimed to have an explosive device. Police have identified the suspect as 49-year-old Floyd Ray Roseberry of Grover, North Carolina. The incident prompted multiple buildings in the area to be evacuated Thursday as authorities responded to an "active bomb threat investigation"...

Roseberry had been live-streaming from the scene, Manger said. A roughly half-hour Facebook video showed him inside a truck, holding a cannister that he said was a bomb and speaking about a "revolution"... In video posted Thursday, Roseberry called himself a "patriot." He said he doesn't care if Trump ever becomes president again but also that he thinks "all Democrats need to step down"...

79lriley
Ago 20, 2021, 10:27 am

#78—among the topics, things and people that this Roseberry was ranting about before he surrendered was Greta Thunberg. What is it with so many right wingers here in the United States that they get so worked up over a Scandinavian teenager? Her rise to international fame really is challenging for them.

80John5918
Editado: Ago 27, 2021, 12:41 am

Capitol Police officer who killed Ashli Babbitt on January 6 speaks publicly for first time: 'I know that day I saved countless lives' (CNN)

The veteran US Capitol Police officer who killed pro-Trump rioter Ashli Babbitt went public Thursday, revealing his identity and defending his actions on January 6. "I know that day I saved countless lives," Lt. Michael Byrd said in an interview with "NBC Nightly News." "I know members of Congress, as well as my fellow officers and staff, were in jeopardy and in serious danger. And that's my job." The officer fatally shot Babbitt in the shoulder while she climbed through a window that led into the Speaker's Lobby, adjacent to the House chamber, while lawmakers were evacuating. "I tried to wait as long as I could," Byrd said of the incident in the doorway. "I hoped and prayed no one tried to enter through those doors. But their failure to comply required me to take the appropriate action to save the lives of members of Congress and myself and my fellow officers"...


Capitol police officers sue Trump and far-right groups over 6 January attack (Guardian)

Capitol police officers who were attacked and beaten during the insurrection at the US Congress on 6 January by extremist supporters of Donald Trump filed a lawsuit on Thursday against the former Republican president, his ally Roger Stone and members of far-right extremist groups. The officers accused them of intentionally sending a violent mob to disrupt the congressional certification of Joe Biden’s victory in the November 2020 election. The suit in federal court in Washington DC alleges Trump “worked with white supremacists, violent extremist groups, and campaign supporters to violate the Ku Klux Klan Act, and commit acts of domestic terrorism in an unlawful effort to stay in power”...

81John5918
Ago 28, 2021, 12:22 am

California man charged with attacking Capitol police had history of assaulting activists (Guardian)

When David Dempsey was arrested in California on Thursday and charged with attacking police officers defending the US Capitol on 6 January, local activists in Los Angeles were not surprised. Federal prosecutors have accused 34-year-old Dempsey of striking police at the Capitol with improvised weapons, including a crutch and a pole, and spraying them with a chemical agent, according to the criminal complaint against him. Five months earlier, two Los Angeles men said, Dempsey had used the exact same tactics to assault them during tense summer political demonstrations in the Tujunga neighborhood and in Beverly Hills. One of these alleged assaults had happened directly in front of police officers in Beverly Hills, and the other was reported in detail to the Los Angeles police department, according to the two men. Both said that local police failed to follow up or to arrest Dempsey, even though he had previously been charged with using bear mace on anti-Trump protesters in Santa Monica, California, in 2019...

82Limelite
Ago 30, 2021, 6:01 pm

14,000 Hours of Insurrection Surveillance Video Remain Secret

Capitol surveillance cameras captured more than 14,000 hours of footage between noon and 8 p.m. on Jan. 6. These videos would paint the most complete picture of what happened inside, but the US Capitol Police, backed by federal prosecutors, have strictly controlled who can see them and how much footage can be shared with the public.
The full accounting of the movements of key players that this collection of footage would provide — not just of rioters, but also lawmakers and police officers — is exactly why Capitol security officials don’t want them out there.

The videos would help fill in the timeline of where members of Congress went, what they were doing, and who they were with as rioters breached the building.

Rep. Bennie Thompson, chair of the special House committee investigating Jan. 6, told the Washington Post that they’re exploring information about the activities of Republican members who may have been in contact with former president Donald Trump during the riots.
(SNIP)
The clips of the Senate doorway incident were from a collection of videos prosecutors presented to a judge in arguing that Nathaniel DeGrave — charged with, among other things, being part of the hallway melee — should stay in jail pending trial. The US attorney’s office in Washington released nine videos from DeGrave’s case this month in response to a legal effort by media outlets (including BuzzFeed News), but successfully argued to keep two secret: recordings from surveillance cameras positioned elsewhere in the Capitol.
The reluctance of Capitol Police is explained by its desire to not disclose. . .
. . .this sensitive infrastructure to the public, including hundreds of individuals who have already shown a willingness to storm the Capitol in an attempt to obstruct such crucial proceedings to our democracy.
Further, the reluctance is withstanding legal challenges in criminal trial to release everything viewed by the court, at least in part.
The security concerns inherent in revealing the extent of the Capitol’s closed-circuit camera network have convinced at least one judge so far to keep videos sealed. But the ongoing investigations into Jan. 6 will continue to place pressure on the government’s desire to keep as much of this footage out of the public eye as possible.
(SNIP)
The government has cleared some footage for release in the months since the attack. During Trump’s impeachment trial in February, the Democratic impeachment managers — who were given access to all of the videos — played clips showing just how close lawmakers, congressional staff, and other public officials came to the rioters.
It is also valuable to law enforcement agencies working to capture and bring to justice the perpetrators. It is well within the interests of agencies like the FBI to protect its sources and methods that lead to its success in many cases.
Surveillance footage has been a wellspring of evidence for the FBI agents and prosecutors building cases against the nearly 600 people charged with participating in the riots. They’ve used it to bolster the mountain of evidence scattered across social media and other publicly available sources. Screenshots from these videos frequently crop up in charging papers as the government’s proof that a defendant was in a specific area of the Capitol at a specific time.
The BuzzFeed article is lengthy but important because it parses the many varied circumstances which must be considered before making decisions of full disclosure of the insurrection, especially when a thorough House Select Committee investigation is ongoing and so much preliminary evidence points to the enemy being within before the barbarians at the gates breached the Capitol building that day.

83Limelite
Sep 18, 2021, 6:00 pm

J6 Rally for Imprisoned Insurrectionists Attendance Rivals Trump's Coronation Inauguration Crowd

Saturday, Sept. 18, 2021 Biggliest pro-Trump rally in history!

84Limelite
Sep 23, 2021, 5:24 pm

Biden Mulling Releasing Info about Trump, Aides on J6 To the Public

Over Trump's objections and despite possible significant political and legal ramifications, Biden is leaning toward releasing the details about what his predecessor and his top aides were doing in the WH while "their' insurrection unfolded on the Capitol.

Biden has said in the past that while he errs on the side of upholding executive privilege, when it comes to Jan. 6 he has a different opinion and will approach the issue on the side of public disclosure.

The report cited Biden spokesman Michael Gwin saying the president sees the Capitol attack as "a dark stain on our country's history" and is "deeply committed to ensuring that something like that can never happen again, and he supports a thorough investigation."


85Molly3028
Editado: Sep 24, 2021, 7:56 am

https://www.mediaite.com/tv/tucker-carlson-rewrites-capitol-riot/
‘They Look Like Tourists’: Tucker Carlson Downplays Capitol Riot, Then Suggests It Was an Inside Job

The priest, nuns and laypeople who instructed this dude during his Catholic education years (elementary and college) must be wondering what the hell was going on in his mind during their daily presentations. Apparently, his folks wasted a lot of money on this lunatic's Catholic education. You can lead a horse to water, but you can't make him drink.

86John5918
Oct 19, 2021, 12:25 am

Risky business: Some Capitol riot defendants forgo lawyers (AP)

Some of the defendants charged in the storming of the U.S. Capitol are turning away defense lawyers and electing to represent themselves, undeterred by their lack of legal training or repeated warnings from judges...

The right to self-representation is a bedrock principle of the Constitution. But a longtime judge cited an old adage in advising a former California police chief that he would have “a fool for a client” if he represented himself. And Michael Magner, a New Orleans criminal defense lawyer and former federal prosecutor, observed, “Just because you have a constitutional right to do something doesn’t necessarily mean that it’s smart”... The judge warned the ex-police chief that he has never seen anyone successfully represent himself since his appointment to the bench in 1987...

New York civil rights lawyer Ron Kuby, who has served as standby counsel for about a dozen self-represented defendants, has practiced law for nearly 40 years and never seen one such defendant secure an acquittal. But a favorable verdict isn’t always their primary objective, he said, adding that sometimes a defendant wants to use a trial to make a political point. He said laypeople shouldn’t represent themselves for the same reason that lawyers shouldn’t, either. “You don’t have objectivity,” Kuby said. “You need to to be able to look at the case in an objective way, which is hard to do when you feel you’re being criminalized for preventing an illegitimate president from seizing power, however crazy that may sound.”

87Molly3028
Editado: Oct 29, 2021, 7:04 am

https://www.mediaite.com/tv/how-many-more-people-need-to-die-adl-head-writes-let...
‘How Many More People Need To Die?’ ADL Head Writes Letter to Lachlan Murdoch Slamming Tucker Carlson’s ‘Conspiracy Theory’ 1/6 Special

Tucker's main mission in life appears to be that of exporting the chaos that resides between his two ears to every corner of America. Like Trump, he thrives on chaos and the limelight it fosters. Going forward, TC could be more dangerous to the country's well-being than the Trump era ever was ~ and, sadly, his era can continue for decades.

88Molly3028
Editado: Nov 2, 2021, 7:03 pm

https://www.mediaite.com/tv/tucker-carlson-accuses-ana-navarro-of-being-more-rad...
Tucker Carlson Accuses Ana Navarro of Being ‘More Radical’ Than 1/6 Rioters, Calls Liz Cheney a ‘Left-Wing Wacko’

The corrosive power of Murdoch's money is on display every weekday evening during the Tucker Carlson hour. Would the pre-Trump era Carlson want to have any association with this Trump era Alex Jones wannabe???

ADDITIONAL THOUGHT:
James Murdoch left New Corp a while back. It appears that R. Murdoch has decided that Tucker Carlson is the perfect replacement for the son who most likely disappointed him. And, TC is very happy to have Murdoch's approval and financial backing for the hate-filled agenda he has devised.

89John5918
Nov 5, 2021, 12:10 am

Capitol Rioter Who Boasted She Wouldn’t Go to Jail Because She’s White Is Going to Prison (Daily Beast)

Capitol rioter Jenna Ryan, who infamously declared her “blonde hair white skin” would spare her from prison, was sentenced to 60 days behind bars on Thursday...


Jenna Ryan, Texas realtor who tweeted she was 'definitely not going to jail,' gets 60 days in jail (WUSA9)

A Texas real estate agent who infamously claimed her blonde hair and white skin would keep her out of jail was sentenced Thursday to 60 days behind bars for her role in the January 6 Capitol riot. U.S. District Judge Christopher Cooper told Jenna Ryan, of Frisco, Texas, it was clear she knew what she was doing when she left her hotel to travel to the Capitol after watching coverage of the riot on Fox News. “You knew it when you walked out of your hotel room and said, ‘We’re going to war and we’re going to be breaking windows,’” Cooper said...


90margd
Editado: Nov 10, 2021, 5:05 am

Wow. Wow. Wow.
Remember missing emergency buttons in Rep Pressley's office? https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/pressley-panic-buttons/

Report: Pence, Aides, and Staff Forced Into Hiding on Jan 6th Because They Were Locked Out of Their Offices
November 9, 2021

...locked out of their offices within the Capitol complex, forcing Pence and his aides to hide on a loading dock.

The thread also claims that as they huddled in place, Pence’s staff discussed the possibility of having Trump removed from office.

...access badges worked that morning before the mob entered the capitol, but once Pence was removed from the chamber floor, their badges no longer worked. Access was restored later that night after the threat was over...

https://hillreporter.com/report-pence-aides-and-staff-forced-into-hiding-on-jan-...
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Twitter thread is worth a read!
https://twitter.com/MuellerSheWrote/status/1458139441151705091

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912wonderY
Nov 10, 2021, 7:18 am

>90 margd: Wow is right!

92Doug1943
Nov 10, 2021, 7:20 am

The one good thing about the 6 January events is that we have established that when a rioter, unarmed, is breaking down a door, or doing something similar (as thousands and thousands of rioters did during the summer), a policeman has the right to simply shoot them dead.

I look forward to this when we have the next round of rioting and looting.

93kiparsky
Nov 10, 2021, 1:24 pm

>92 Doug1943: Is that really the lesson you take from this?

Seriously? By the same logic, and with a greater preponderance of the evidence, we should assume that anyone driving a motor vehicle near a political protest intends to use that vehicle to attack the protest and should be shot on sight, or that any police officer stopping any vehicle intends to murder the occupants and that they are therefore entitled to use deadly force.

You might want to think a little more carefully before you type. Or even, before you think.

94John5918
Nov 10, 2021, 1:32 pm

>92 Doug1943:

I don't condone violence, no matter who carries it out. But don't you see any qualitative difference between people who damage property on the one hand, and a mob who storm the seat of government with intent to violently overthrow a democratic election?

95prosfilaes
Nov 10, 2021, 2:47 pm

>92 Doug1943: We've established nothing new. When a mob that is armed attacks a building, having threatened people inside the building (remember the noose?), and retreat, at least in time, is not feasible, use of lethal force may be justified to protect those inside.

I find it ... interesting that you don't come to the opposite conclusion, as well; that rioters can pepper spray police and otherwise assault them and invade and destroy public property and not get shot. One single shot was fired that day; I have a hard time recalling another time when the police shot someone once.

96Doug1943
Nov 10, 2021, 4:09 pm

>93 kiparsky: I don't follow your argument. I assume you support the killing of Ashley Babbit ... don't you?

Ashley Babbit was not armed. She was not throwing Molotov cocktails at buildings, setting fire to police cars, or hurling half-bricks at people going to a Trump rally. She was breaking down a door ... and she was shot and killed.

Liberals -- the ones whose posts I have seen on Twitter, anyway -- were overjoyed at her death. I only saw one post that said although she was guilty etc that it was a tragedy. All the rest were very happy.

Okay, fine. But in that case, rioters burning down buildings can now be shot, using the same logic that justified the death of Ashley Babbit. Not that it will happen, of course, sadly.

97Doug1943
Nov 10, 2021, 4:26 pm

>94 John5918: No. The difference is that you support the violent rioters who burned down buildings -- and who would happily have overthrown a Trump government -- and I don't.

And on the other hand, although I do not defend the actions of the 6 January rioters -- who gave the anti-American Left an enormous gift by their boneheaded stupidity -- I do recognize them as people on my side.

So of course they should be prosecuted for whatever real crimes they committed -- some of them for trespass, some of them for violently assaulting police officers. But only to the extent that an AntiFa mob who did the same thing they did should be prosecuted, were they to do the same thing. And I would argue, were I able to speak to the jury, that mitigating circumstances should be considered -- they believed they were dealing with a stolen election.

Just as, I suppose, a lawyer for someone caught looting a Walmart would argue that his client was protesting racial injustice.

But in neither case -- the violent AntiFa rioters, and the 6 January rioters -- were these genuine attempts to overthrow a government. That's not how you do an insurrection.

Of course, in a highly-charged political atmosphere, you can imply intent to people you want to get, and argue that they would be insurrectionists if they could be. This is what happened to the Communist Party USA after WWII -- which, yes, would have overthrown the government if they could have (or done whatever Moscow told them to do). Their leadership went to prison, not for actually planning an insurrection -- "Team 2 will seize the telephone exchange, Team 3 will set up a roadblock near the National Guard armory, ... " but for having an ideology which implied overthrow. A bad idea, and it's a good thing the Supreme Court put a stop to it a few years later.

But I get it. It's war. And Inter arma enim silent leges. Both sides will exploit the mistakes of the other to the limit.

98Doug1943
Nov 10, 2021, 5:02 pm

>95 prosfilaes: Our differences are simply these: you support the AntiFa BLM rioters, and I don't. I support the 6 January rioters (not what they did, but their motivations), and you don't.

You craft the 6 January situation to bolster your case: an 'armed' mob (really?) threatening people inside the building .. so the policeman who killed Ashley Babbit is a hero. No other policeman found it necessary to shoot, but ... the precedent is set.

Had that been an AntiFa mob, you would have a different story.

But we can now agree: if a violent mob attacks public buildings -- the Capitol, police stations, court houses -- the police should just fire away. I'm fine with that. It'll be a case of I give you a penny, you give me a dollar.

99kiparsky
Nov 10, 2021, 5:22 pm

>96 Doug1943: I assume you support the killing of Ashley Babbit ... don't you?

I don't "support" the killing of anyone. I believe that there are circumstances when a police officer may be justified in firing their weapon, and that this seems to have been one of them. In particular, I don't feel that on investigation a reasonable person would find that this case would justify disciplinary or criminal action against the officer. That being said, I take no joy in the death of Babbit, I sincerely wish she was a live nutcase rather than a dead rioter. (she was, undeniably, both a nutcase and a violent rioter, but this does not justify her killing)

I don't think you can extrapolate freely from that to call for the wholesale slaughter of peaceful protesters, though - regardless of whether you or I happen to agree or disagree with the politics of those being slaughtered.

Ashley Babbit was not armed. She was not throwing Molotov cocktails at buildings, setting fire to police cars, or hurling half-bricks at people going to a Trump rally. She was breaking down a door ... and she was shot and killed.

Yes, she was breaking down a door. She was, as you say, an enthusiastic participant in a violent mob which was literally calling for the death of legislators and the VP of the United States while in the building with those persons, attempting to overrun the police to get to those people. This mob had already committed vicious attacks on the police defending our country and had in fact trampled to death one of their own number in their attack. The police had made many attempts to peacefully dissuade the mob, and the mob had refused to stand down.

Liberals -- the ones whose posts I have seen on Twitter, anyway -- were overjoyed at her death.

I have nothing to say about what idiots on twitter say. I don't know anyone who was happy about her death - any more than I know any conservatives who were happy about Heather Heyer's death.

in that case, rioters burning down buildings can now be shot, using the same logic that justified the death of Ashley Babbit.

You seem very eager to have people shot, to the point where you're inventing scenarios where you can have them killed. This is quite disturbing. To be clear, there have been no left-wing protests that have resembled in any way the attack on our country that resulted in the deaths of several people including Ashley Babbit, and no, I'm not going to give you blanket justification for situations where you can revel in the deaths of other human beings. That's your sick fantasy, and it's not one I'm to going to take part in.

Not that it will happen, of course, sadly.

"Sadly"? You're actually saddened by the prospect of police not killing people? That's pretty disgusting. I hope you'll spend some time thinking about what you've said and what it means, and maybe in becoming someone who doesn't say or believe such things.

100Novak
Nov 10, 2021, 5:40 pm

May I ask which one of you is saying you would stand within sight of an armed policeman .. .. anywhere .. .. Begin smashing down a door and expect NOT to be shot?

101kiparsky
Nov 10, 2021, 5:59 pm

>97 Doug1943: the violent rioters who burned down buildings

Just to be clear, no such people existed. You're making things up, which does not help your case.

102Doug1943
Nov 10, 2021, 6:32 pm

>99 kiparsky: I am not for the killing of 'peaceful protestors'. You support the killing of people breaking down a door. What about the killing of people setting fire to buildings and police cars?

103Doug1943
Nov 10, 2021, 6:47 pm

kiparsky
Today, 5:59pm
Doug1943: the violent rioters who burned down buildings

"Just to be clear, no such people existed. You're making things up, which does not help your case."

Kenosha
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DRUou6t0MTY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5WZeT9vr2-g
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7feGk2_kWlE

Portland
https://nypost.com/2020/08/19/protesters-burn-government-building-during-riot-in...

Minneapolis
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/11726905/george-floyd-protest-minneapolis-fires-ri...

I genuinely don't understand how you can say 'no such people existed'. How did the buildings catch on fire then? Global warming?

When a Trump supporter, just walking down the street, was shot dead in Portland, the AntiFa crowd laughed and cheered.

We're in a different world now.

Many people on the Right have not yet understood what is happening in America, I grant you. They think this is like the 60s, when we also had riots and murders and bombings by leftwingers, and then it all calmed down. They're wrong, but I believe events will awaken them.

104prosfilaes
Nov 10, 2021, 7:43 pm

>98 Doug1943: Our differences are simply these: you support the AntiFa BLM rioters, and I don't. I support the 6 January rioters (not what they did, but their motivations), and you don't.

No, they aren't. I believe in American democracy, and you don't seem to. I believe in the rule of law, and the use of minimal force, and you don't seem to.

an 'armed' mob (really?)

https://www.npr.org/2021/03/19/977879589/yes-capitol-rioters-were-armed-here-are... : "stun guns, pepper spray, baseball bats and flagpoles wielded as clubs... more than 100 police officers suffered injuries, including cracked ribs, gouged eyes and shattered spinal disks."

the policeman who killed Ashley Babbit is a hero.

Ah, shades of 1984. I used no such emotionally charged language. I said "use of lethal force may be justified", instead of just calling the police officer doubleplusgood.

the precedent is set.

That's logical and legal thinking worthy of a sovereign citizen. You can't really draw precedent from one event; all the details went into ruling it a justifiable shot, and even the rules behind those conclusions will differ between Capitol Police, the FBI, and the polices of the various states and cities.

Had that been an AntiFa mob, you would have a different story.

For one, my understanding is that there's no such thing as an Antifa mob; they organize in small cells under fear of infiltration by police. Any mob would consist primarily of non-Antifa members.

Secondly, I won't claim to be free of bias, but I would at least try to speak about what happened neutrally and precisely.

But we can now agree: if a violent mob attacks public buildings -- the Capitol, police stations, court houses -- the police should just fire away.

I'm not sure what's so hard about using violence minimally.

>97 Doug1943: And I would argue, were I able to speak to the jury, that mitigating circumstances should be considered -- they believed they were dealing with a stolen election.

But if after Republicans pass all these bills restricting voting and gerrymander the states they control, the police should feel free summarily executing anyone rioting who can actually point to what has been done to steal the election from them?

But in neither case -- the violent AntiFa rioters, and the 6 January rioters -- were these genuine attempts to overthrow a government. That's not how you do an insurrection.

There's a disconnect there. You can attempt to do something in a way that won't be successful. Many of the January 6th rioters were quite clear about their intent to commit insurrection.

105kiparsky
Nov 10, 2021, 8:08 pm

>102 Doug1943: Okay, so you're saddened by the idea that peaceful protestors will not be shot, but you're not for killing them. Explain please.

106lriley
Nov 10, 2021, 8:52 pm

A mob under the delusion that an election was stolen has the right to slug it out with hundreds of cops and attack the Capitol building and threaten to hang the VP (a lifelong member of their own party) and threaten with injury or death all the legislators in said building?

Delusion as in no real proof of anything and after having lost court case after court case many of them with judges put in place by the person the mob would have put back in power illegally.

I'll say once again the policeman who shot Babbitt one time shot her in the shoulder. It wasn't a shot meant to kill. He could have easily have shot her in the head. Why her? She was the first one breaking through the window. At the same time the house was still in session because that shitbird Gosar wouldn't end his floor speech. It was almost like he wanted that mob to break into the house chamber with all the members present. That chamber was some 50' away from the window Babbitt was breaking through. As well there were more guns pointing outward from the barricaded chamber doors. Without doubt more shots would have been fired if the doors that Babbitt was breaking through would have fallen and more rioters had made it through.

The idea that anyone is happy about Babbitt dying is ridiculous. But really the real culprit is the liar that told everyone the election was stolen.

107kiparsky
Nov 10, 2021, 10:29 pm

>103 Doug1943: So you've got video there of the people burning down a street, which is interesting, and you've got video of people "burning down" the Multnomah Building, which was not burned down. (I spent years living in Portland - the Multnomah building is made of rock. You could burn it down, but you'd need to get Mount Tabor to erupt first...)

Let's try dialing it back to things that actually happened and work from there.

108John5918
Nov 10, 2021, 10:46 pm

>97 Doug1943: No. The difference is that you support the violent rioters who burned down buildings -- and who would happily have overthrown a Trump government -- and I don't

No, I think I made it quite clear that I don't condone violence. I support peaceful protest, not violence. The tiny minority of demonstrators who resorted to violence and damage to property do not represent the protesters whom I might support. And there is no evidence that AntiFa or any other anti-Trump protesters were trying to violently overthrow the government, unlike the pro-Trump supporters who violently attacked your Capitol with the expressed aim of subverting a democratic election. And let me add my voice to the others who take no pleasure in the death of anyone, whatever genuine or spurious cause they believe in.

I support the nonviolent protesters who are dying on the streets of Khartoum at this moment to try to return their country to democracy following a military coup which has violently subverted the democratic process. You appear to support a violent attempt to subvert the democratic process in your country.

109Doug1943
Nov 11, 2021, 2:27 am

>105 kiparsky: Please point out where I said I favor 'peaceful protestors' being shot. Unless you're using 'peaceful protestors' in the way the lying mainstream media did.

I am all in favor of peaceful protest, especially having been a peaceful protestor for civil rights in the past. But we now have a precedent: attack a grovernment building, and if a policeman shoots you dead, that is okay. Well, it's okay if it's a white conservative being shot ...

I just want to extend this white privilege to everyone.

110Doug1943
Nov 11, 2021, 2:29 am

>106 lriley: I promise you, I read many gleeful Tweets from leftists (presumably) about Ashely Babbit's death. LibraryThing attracts a better class of lefty, but they're not the activist base. The real face of the Left is AntiFa, and its apologists.

111Doug1943
Nov 11, 2021, 2:31 am

>107 kiparsky: Yes, it's interesting, those videos. You said there were no such events, no such people. Building composition is a lawyer's argument, and a poor one at that. Who do you think did the rioting and burning and looting?

112Doug1943
Nov 11, 2021, 10:33 am

John: you say "You appear to support a violent attempt to subvert the democratic process in your country."

I understand in a long thread like this, we don't always -- I certainly don't always -- go back and read carefully what everyone has said.

So let me quote myself:"although I do not defend the actions of the 6 January rioters -- who gave the anti-American Left an enormous gift by their boneheaded stupidity -- I do recognize them as people on my side.

So of course they should be prosecuted for whatever real crimes they committed -- some of them for trespass, some of them for violently assaulting police officers. But only to the extent that an AntiFa mob who did the same thing they did should be prosecuted, were they to do the same thing. And I would argue, were I able to speak to the jury, that mitigating circumstances should be considered -- they believed they were dealing with a stolen election."

I think my attitude to the 6 January rioters is perfectly symmetrical to the Leftist attitude to the violent building-burners and looters of the summer: I wish they hadn't done it, but I understand why they did it. They're my people.

In addition to this basic response, i would note one other thing: the use of violence is both a moral, and a legal/tactical issue.

Example: so long as a government remains, essentially, a liberal democracy, with the active or passive support of the majority, and more or less impartially-enforced laws ... then to try to subvert the democratic process of changing it is immoral ... even if it could succeed. The 6 January rioters believed that this condition no longer applied.

We could argue about how justified they were in that belief, but that's another argument. They believed it, and thus, although they should receive impartial punishment, were I their lawyer I would argue that this was a mitigating factor. Just as a lawyer for rioters arrested in an AntiFa/BLM protest would no doubt argue that their clients sincerely believed that many innocent Black men are being murdered by the police ... even thought that's factually untrue.

Then there is the legal/tactical issue, which I'll compress to just the tactical issue. Namely, even IF a government is undemocratic -- Hitler's, or the current Sudanese military government -- then violent opposition may be moral, but tactically unwise, for several reasons. Or it may be tactically wise and justified.

Had I been among the people in Washington on 6 January, I would have argued that even if what they believed was true, that it would be an insane idea to invade Congress. It would be just what the Left would want, just what any FBI infiltrators would be advocating. (And maybe they did ... we'll have to see about that.)

Rather, I would have argued, our response should be to go back home after the demonstration, and work to get an iron-clad foolproof voting system ... because for that, we could win the support of a large section of the broad middle. And then work like hell for our side in the next election. (I did argue this on various rightwing forums, and had a number of people laugh at me because 'the Globalist Elite control everything'. I don't know what they now thing about the recent elections in Virginia and New Jersey.)

But it's a tactical question, when you have what is an undemocratic government. (By 'undemocratic' I don't just mean one that happens to have majority support at the moment, but one that is not following the impartial rule of law.)

So I'm happy to affirm that I have raised money for a group of armed men who believed, and rightly so in my opinion, that they were not living under a genuinely rule-of-law democratic government, and who felt that they had to take their defense into their own hands, with rifles. The money was explicitly for ammunition. I even delivered it in person.

And I'd do it again, under similar circumstances.

113kiparsky
Nov 11, 2021, 12:52 pm

>111 Doug1943: So, I looked at a couple of those and didn't see buildings burning down, which is what you said I'd see. I saw some people burning down a street and some people trashing an office. I did not see people burning down buildings. So, yeah, not seeing anything in your chosen evidence to support your contention. So, since I assume you provided the best evidence you could find to support your claim and it didn't I still say, didn't happen. You can call it a "lawyer's argument" if you want. I call it meaning what you say and saying what you mean.

Maybe you actually wanted to talk about people trashing offices and having little campfires in the street, which is what I saw - if so, roll back and say what you mean.

If you think that vandalism deserves a shoot-to-kill response, say so and we'll talk about why you think that. But vandalism of the sort I saw in the evidence that you provided certainly doesn't come anywhere near to comparing to a police force standing between a mob literally seeking to commit murder and the people that they were literally seeking to murder - it's not even in the same city as the same ballpark.

114John5918
Editado: Nov 11, 2021, 1:46 pm

>112 Doug1943:

Thanks, Doug. Of course it's true that my politics are left of centre (something one rarely sees in the USA) and yours appear to be right of centre, but I would not say that anyone who uses violence is on my side. I would not say that anything which the violent minority who damaged the reputation of AntiFa believes justifies the use of violence, and neither does whatever the Capitol rioters believe. I would not say that their beliefs constitute mitigating circumstances for the use of violence. As far as I'm concerned peaceful protest is a legitimate right, violence isn't, regardless of who perpetrates it or what they believe or whose "side" they're on.

I would also say that societies in general view certain types of crime more seriously than others. Vandalising a building is a crime; attacking the seat of government is generally considered a more serious crime. Murdering anybody is a crime; murdering a police officer or, as happened recently in the UK, a Member of Parliament, is considered a more serious crime, not because their individual life is worth more than any other, but because of what they represent - it's not simply a breach of the law, it's an attack on law and governance itself. A peaceful protest about racism or whatever which is hijacked by a small violent majority should lead to criminal charges against the perpetrators; a deliberate and explicit violent attack on the democratic process is a more serious crime.

I've lived through two violent civil wars, three dictatorships, at least two authoritarian regimes, and a number of armed home invasions. The most successful antidotes to all of them have been nonviolent. I confess that I tacitly supported a violent liberation struggle for 22 years, not with funds or ammunition, but believing that their cause was just and that violence, as a last resort, was justified. The post-struggle society proved to be arguably worse than the previous regime, as is usually the case. So not only as a personal lesson learned but also learning from other conflicts, from academic studies, and from peacebuilders, victims, survivors and former fighters all over the world, I believe we should unequivocally reject violence as a means of trying to bring about positive social change. And particularly in an open, pluralistic, democratic, constitutional society such as the USA, I see no justification, neither moral nor tactical, for the use of violence to overthrow the government.

115kiparsky
Nov 11, 2021, 1:38 pm

>112 Doug1943: I think my attitude to the 6 January rioters is perfectly symmetrical to the Leftist attitude to the violent building-burners and looters of the summer: I wish they hadn't done it, but I understand why they did it. They're my people.

As a nonviolent activist, I would ask you to stop projecting your support of violence onto others, specifically me.

I suspect that there are people on the left who take the position you describe, but I don't feel that violence is a viable tactic for social change, I've never seen it work, and I don't claim to "understand" the use of those tactics. I also don't call for violent response, either from the police or from private vigilantes, to such violent tactics, and I don't applaud, on twitter or elsewhere, those who commit that sort of response.

You might feel some sympathy with a violent mob who decided - and each of them personally had to make this decision - to forcibly enter a federal building in the company of armed thugs calling for the death of the occupants of that building. I can't manage that trick and I'm not going to try. If armed violent murderous thugs are "your people", I don't know how we even start to talk about ethics together. What you find ethically acceptable, I find impossible to justify.

116prosfilaes
Nov 11, 2021, 2:03 pm

>109 Doug1943: But we now have a precedent: attack a grovernment building, and if a policeman shoots you dead, that is okay.

Repeating it doesn't make it true. If I was forced to make it a precedent, I'd say it was more like if a mob attacks a building with the stated intent of killing a person inside ("hang Mike Pence!"), assaulting police officers along the way, people inside that building in similar positions are in reasonable fear for their lives and have the right to use lethal force, or have lethal force used on their behalf.

>110 Doug1943: The real face of the Left is AntiFa,

The real face of the Right is Richard Spencer then. You're splitting the US into two groups and justifying yourself by identifying the other group with some of its most extreme members. Not only that, unlike Richard Spencer, Antifa isn't even a face. There's no leader, no formal organization spitting out press releases and notifications. It's a few shadowy groups and whatever the Right wants to identify those groups with.

https://www.adl.org/antifa : "Right-wing extremists have been one of the largest and most consistent sources of domestic terror incidents in the United States for many years; they have murdered hundreds of people in this country over the last ten years alone. To date, there has been only one suspected antifa-related murder, which took place on August 29, 2020, in Portland, Oregon."

>112 Doug1943: Example: so long as a government remains, essentially, a liberal democracy, with the active or passive support of the majority, and more or less impartially-enforced laws ... then to try to subvert the democratic process of changing it is immoral ... even if it could succeed. The 6 January rioters believed that this condition no longer applied.

We could argue about how justified they were in that belief, but that's another argument.


No, not really. As a factual matter, they were fighting on behalf of a President who lost the popular vote four years ago by two million votes and who lost the popular vote in 2020 by seven million votes, based on lies by that President. Justifications have claimed they lacked representation, despite the factual truth being that the Right was overrepresented in the Federal Government, and arguably still is. When the Bolsheviks (literally 'majority' in Russian) / Moral Majority / Patriots claim that despite factually being in the minority, they're "really" in the majority, that doesn't make them justified in using violence or any more democratic in using it to overthrow the elected government.

117John5918
Dic 3, 2021, 8:48 am

Ex-Marine Pleads Guilty to Jan. 6 Charges After Saying He ‘50/50’ Regrets It (Daily Beast)

A former Marine from Georgia pleaded guilty on Wednesday to assaulting law enforcement during the breach of the U.S. Capitol on Jan. 6. Kevin Douglas Creek, 47, faces up to eight years in prison, three years of supervised release, and a $250,000 fine. According to court documents, he was caught on bodycam footage striking two officers, one with the Metropolitan Police Department and another with the U.S. Capitol Police. A criminal complaint notes that, when an investigator “asked if Creek regretted his conduct on Jan. 6, he responded: ‘50/50.’” The FBI tracked Creek down after a tipster said he’d overheard the man, visiting a Georgia hospital, bragging about being tear-gassed at the Capitol...


Capitol Rioter Loses Bid to Delay Sentence to Fulfill 'Holiday Obligations' to Children (Newsweek)

Rasha Abual-Ragheb, who pleaded guilty to her role in the Capitol riot, will have to spend the holiday season under home confinement after a judge rejected her request to delay her sentence until the new year. Abual-Ragheb warned "Civil War" is coming after the Capitol riot and was sentenced to 36 months probation, the first two being served in home detention. Abual-Ragheb sought to delay her sentence until January 1 so she could move to a new home and "handle her holiday obligations as a mother to her children." The government opposed delaying her sentence and Judge Carl Nichols denied her request...


The Capitol riot suspect who admitted to new felonies while representing himself compared himself to Jesus, new court filings show (Business Insider)

A Capitol riot defendant, who made headlines earlier this year for admitting to two new felonies while representing himself, compared himself to Jesus in a series of court filings earlier this week, in which he once again, openly acknowledged his past crimes. Brandon Fellows faces charges in connection to the January 6 Capitol attack, including a felony count of obstructing an official proceeding. Fellows filed a slate of lengthy, handwritten court documents, which were released Wednesday, in which he lashed out against his previous counsel, acknowledged his past perjury, and admitted to committing obstruction in an unrelated case for the second time... The defendant went on to compare himself to Jesus, saying he believes he brought about a "spiritual insurrection"...


January 6 was opposite of 1776, judge tells rioter who carried revolutionary flag into US Capitol (CNN)

A federal judge slammed one of the January 6 rioters for waving a 1776 flag while storming the US Capitol, saying his attempt to overturn a democratic election betrayed the values of the American Revolution...


There certainly appear to have been some weird people in that insurrection!

118John5918
Dic 4, 2021, 10:55 pm

US Capitol rioter 'sought to physically remove' Pelosi and McConnell, prosecutors say (CNN)

Justice Department prosecutors say they have evidence that an alleged rioter who brought a gun to the US Capitol on January 6 was targeting both House Speaker Nancy Pelosi and then-Majority Leader Mitch McConnell. According to a filing Thursday, Guy Reffitt, a member of the Texas Three Percenter militia, "specifically targeted at least two lawmakers -- the Speaker of the House, Nancy Pelosi, and then-Senate Majority Leader, Mitch McConnell -- whom he sought to physically remove or displace from the Capitol building." Prosecutors aim to prove the allegation at Reffitt's trial, which is tentatively scheduled for late February...


Nevada man arrested for allegedly assaulting police at US Capitol attack (Guardian)

A 34-year-old Nevada man has been arrested and held on multiple charges related to the 6 January riot at the US Capitol, including assaulting law officers with what prosecutors say appeared to be a table leg with a protruding nail...

119Molly3028
Editado: Dic 5, 2021, 1:49 pm

https://www.mediaite.com/donald-trump/trump-accidentally-insults-people-who-thin...
Trump Accidentally Insults People Who Think There Was Widespread Voter Fraud in 2020

The wiring between Trump's ears accidentally spilled the beans!

120John5918
Dic 5, 2021, 10:44 pm

Justice Department charges 2 men alleged to have marched with Proud Boys on January 6 and led charge at US Capitol (CNN)

Federal prosecutors have accused two men of having ties to a Proud Boys leader and being among the first to breach the police line near the US Capitol on January 6. James Haffner, 53, of South Dakota and Ronald Loehrke, 30, of Georgia were arrested and charged this week with a felony for obstructing police during a civil disorder. Haffner was additionally charged with assaulting federal officers for allegedly spraying police with an unidentified aerosol while they guarded the Capitol doors...


121lriley
Dic 10, 2021, 1:18 pm

>120 John5918: we’ll over 700 arrested and they’re still coming.

122Molly3028
Editado: Dic 15, 2021, 12:20 pm

wrong thread, sorry

123John5918
Dic 17, 2021, 10:45 pm

College Student Who Pinched Sign During Capitol Riot Weeps as She Gets Prison Time (Daily Beast)

A West Virginia college student who stormed the Capitol is about to get a one-month break—in prison. Gracyn Dawn Courtright, a senior at the University of Kentucky at the time of the riot, broke down in tears as she was sentenced to a month in prison on Friday. She pleaded guilty in August to a misdemeanor count of entering and remaining in a restricted building, with photos from the day capturing her proudly holding a “Members Only” sign as she marched through the building. After the riot, Courtright bragged online about her newfound fame. “Infamy is just as good as fame. Either way I end up more known,” she wrote in one post. In an Instagram message, she joked, “idk what treason is.” But she broke down so severely in court on Friday that she had to be seen by a nurse, HuffPost reported. “I have so much shame from this,” she told the judge. “I will never be the same girl again, this has changed me completely.” She claimed she just “followed the crowd” on Jan. 6...


Actor Jay Johnston Banned From ‘Bob’s Burgers’ Over Capitol Riot (Daily Beast)

The ‘Mr. Show’ and ‘Anchorman’ actor will no longer be voicing the character of Jimmy Pesto Sr. on Fox’s animated hit after he was allegedly spotted at the Jan. 6 insurrection...

124Molly3028
Editado: Dic 22, 2021, 9:30 am

https://www.mediaite.com/donald-trump/trump-announces-news-conference-on-jan-6-a...
Trump Announces News Conference on Jan. 6 Anniversary to Commemorate ‘The Completely Unarmed Protest of the Rigged Election’

It appears that Trump and Bill Maher may be on the same wavelength. Bill introduced the idea of the Franklin Mint issuing a set of coins to commemorate 1-6. Apparently, Trump wants to remined the world on each anniversary how loyal his clueless cult followers are to him.

125margd
Dic 22, 2021, 3:03 pm

FDA authorizes Pfizer’s anti-covid pill as omicron surges
The supply of Paxlovid will be limited initially, even as demand is expected to soar
Carolyn Y. Johnson | 12/22/2021

Federal regulators Wednesday authorized the first easy-to-take pill to treat covid-19, a five-day regimen developed by Pfizer that will help refill the nation’s medicine cabinet even as the omicron variant has thwarted most other options.

Tens of thousands of pill packs of Pfizer’s Paxlovid are sitting in a Pfizer warehouse in Memphis, ready to be loaded onto trucks and planes in anticipation of the green light from the Food and Drug Administration. But as omicron cases skyrocket nationwide, doctors are expected to quickly burn through that initial supply of Paxlovid, which has shown to be 89 percent effective at keeping high-risk patients from developing severe illness when given within three days of symptoms starting...
https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/2021/12/22/covid-pill-pfizer-fda-authorize...

126John5918
Dic 23, 2021, 7:52 am

Capitol rioters hit with severe sentences and sharp reprimands from judges (Guardian)

Judges across the US have been handing down stiff sentences and hard words in recent weeks for extremist supporters of Donald Trump who took part in the 6 January insurrection at the US Capitol. Since a federal judge sentenced Jacob Chansley, the US Capitol rioter nicknamed the “QAnon shaman” for his horned headdress, to 41 months in prison last month, more US judges have been delivering strict sentences to defendants charged over their roles in the attacks earlier this year...

The longest sentence so far was handed down to a Florida man who threw a wooden plank and fire extinguisher at police officers during the riots. On 17 December, Judge Tanya Chutkan sentenced Robert Palmer to 63 months of jail time, describing the prison term as “the consequence of those actions”. According to Chutkan, individuals who attempted to “violently overthrow the government” and “stop the peaceful transition of power” would be met with “absolutely certain punishment”. At his hearing, Palmer said he was “really, really ashamed” of his behavior, adding that he was “absolutely devastated” to see the “coldness and calculation” that he used to attack Capitol police.

On Tuesday, a Washington state man was sentenced to 46 months of prison time for assaulting police officers with a speaker and a metal baton during the riots... Thompson is the second rioter, after Palmer, to be sentenced for the felony of assaulting a police officer with a dangerous weapon. More than 140 other rioters face the same charge...

127John5918
Dic 24, 2021, 11:14 pm

Capitol riot: Proud Boy pleads guilty and agrees to cooperate with authorities (BBC)

An admitted member of the far-right Proud Boys group has pleaded guilty to felony charges over his involvement in the 6 January Capitol Hill riot. Matthew Greene, 34, has also agreed to cooperate with the government. He is believed to be the first member of the group to do so. Prosecutors say Greene was in the "first wave" of rioters to cross police lines, though Mr Greene's lawyer claims he did not enter the Capitol building. He now faces up to 51 months in prison. While his charges - one count of obstruction of an official proceeding and one count of conspiracy to obstruct - carry a total potential penalty of up to 25 years in prison plus fine, Greene will receive a shorter sentence as a part of his plea deal. Additionally, Greene has agreed to pay $2,000 (£1,400) in restitution for damages caused to the Capitol building during the riot...

128Molly3028
Editado: Dic 28, 2021, 1:52 pm

https://www.mediaite.com/trump/peter-navarro-whines-capitol-rioters-ruined-gops-...
Peter Navarro Whines Capitol Rioters Ruined GOP’s Plot to Steal the Election: We Didn’t Even Need Them!

Apparently, this was the plot planned to derail the 2020 election process. Thank God the white supremacists, white nationalists, QAnoners, Proud Boys etc. unknowingly derailed the Trump plot. One must appreciate how fate managed to turn things around in the nick of time for America.

129John5918
Dic 31, 2021, 11:22 pm

In the year since the US Capitol attack, judges remind us what it means to be American (CNN)

judges have taken to the bench to remind the country how crucial it is for American democracy that the attack on the Capitol never be repeated. Some judges are calling out former President Donald Trump -- although mostly not by name -- for rallying his most ardent supporters to action and suggest that he and his prominent allies bear responsibility for what happened that day. Trump has continued to stoke anger and promote the lie that the 2020 election was stolen since he left office, and many judges have expressed continuing concern that his supporters could be called to act again...

130John5918
Ene 6, 2022, 11:13 pm

A college student who turned his dad into the FBI after the Capitol riot fears he's getting more radicalized in jail (Business Insider)

A college student who turned his father into the FBI after the Capitol riot told Vice News' David Gilbert he fears his dad is becoming more radicalized in jail. Guy Reffitt, a Texas man and member of the far-right Three Percenters group, was arrested at his home on January 19, 2021, after his son, Jackson, tipped off the FBI. According to court documents, the elder Reffitt was charged with five counts, including possession of a semi-automatic weapon on Capitol grounds. He has pleaded not guilty and is currently awaiting trial with dozens of other Capitol riot defendants at the Central Detention Facility in Washington, DC. People housed in that jail face the most serious charges relating to the insurrection. As Insider previously reported, they have in recent months bonded by organizing group activities, singing the national anthem every night, and writing newsletters. Some extremism experts have warned that those activities could leave some of the defendants more radicalized than before, Vice News previously reported. In a letter from jail published by ProPublica last May, Reffitt said he had bonded with the other defendants and was not remorseful about what happened on January 6, 2021...

131Kuiperdolin
Ene 7, 2022, 12:10 pm

College boy just learned about Pavlik Morozov in college and now he's sweating bullets.

132John5918
Ene 31, 2022, 10:36 pm

Kamala Harris drove within yards of pipe bomb on January 6 – report (Guardian)

Kamala Harris, then vice-president-elect, drove within yards of a pipe bomb left outside the Democratic National Committee on January 6 2021 and remained inside for nearly two hours before the bomb was found, it was reported on Monday. Harris’s proximity to the bomb was known previously, but not how close or for how long. CNN reported the new details in the case, part of alarming events in Washington on the day Congress met to certify Joe Biden’s election victory over Donald Trump. A pipe bomb was also left near the Republican National Committee. More than a year later, no suspect has been named or apprehended...