How to Proceed with a Book?

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How to Proceed with a Book?

1mrblond
Editado: Dic 14, 2020, 6:35 am

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2mrblond
Dic 14, 2020, 6:35 am

I've just found this book entry in the site: "По границите на далечния Запад" which is added completely blank. Anyway, the title and the author's name are correct and the author is even combined correctly with the main writer name.

I have this book so I wonder how to proceed in that case?
Can I edit this entry, adding the full info for the book or should I add it again by myself and leave this alone in ocean?

3anglemark
Dic 14, 2020, 6:37 am

>1 mrblond: That copy of the book has been added by someone else. What they have decided to put in their record for the book is up to them. You should add your own copy of the book. That record will belong to you, for you to edit as you want.

4mrblond
Dic 14, 2020, 6:43 am

>3 anglemark: Okay, that's good but this way, there will be many duplicates in the site meaning one and the same edition added multiple times. Isn't this wrong?

5MarthaJeanne
Dic 14, 2020, 6:45 am

No, if they are identical they will be read as the same edition.

6mrblond
Editado: Dic 14, 2020, 6:52 am

To be taken as identical by the system what is needed? Exactly the same title?
Will we be marked as 2 owners (members) of this edition instead of two editions with 1 owner per each?

7anglemark
Dic 14, 2020, 6:53 am

You should realise that LibraryThing is not a database of book editions, with information about them, like a Wikipedia about books. That is just the effect of people adding their books, when the information is combined and aggregated.

LibraryThing is designed as a place for people to catalogue their personal libraries. Everyone adds their own unique books.

8anglemark
Editado: Dic 14, 2020, 6:54 am

>6 mrblond: The same author name (one combined with the author) and exactly the same title (at least up until there is a colon in the title). If the books do not auto-combine, then we combine them manually.

9SandraArdnas
Dic 14, 2020, 7:07 am

Also, you can use library sources to add books. In another thread, davidgn noted Sofia University and another Bulgarian source. So you can import their record (and edit only if something needs editing).

10MarthaJeanne
Dic 14, 2020, 7:08 am

>8 anglemark: For edition, exactly same title, author and ISBN are needed. But it doesn't matter whether there are 1, 2, or 202 editions shown.

11mrblond
Editado: Dic 14, 2020, 7:13 am

Okay, thanks everybody for the response.
One more question:
I've just added this book "По границите на Далечния Запад" using the search suggestions from the libraries but I'm not satisfied because I'm not allowed to edit the Work details which are wrong. Can I delete this entry from the site?

I recommend to avoid library sources!!!

12SandraArdnas
Dic 14, 2020, 7:17 am

>11 mrblond: You can edit your book details once you import the record

13mrblond
Dic 14, 2020, 7:49 am

>12 SandraArdnas: Yes, I can edit the book details but I want to edit the Work details which is the line above the book details.

14anglemark
Editado: Dic 14, 2020, 8:24 am

You cannot. The work details come from all editions listed of the book. They are as they are. You can edit YOUR copy of the book and the Common Knowledge section that belongs to the work. Are you sure that the work details are incorrect or are they just incorrect for your copy of the book?

I don't see what in the work details ( https://www.librarything.com/work/6089534/workdetails/ ) that can be wrong, except that someone has entered English as the language for the Bulgarian translation. But there is nothing you can do about that.

15SandraArdnas
Dic 14, 2020, 8:29 am

Once more copies of the work are added, work details might change. They are site-wide data for all editions of the work entered. Once you enter yours, it will already have more data to work with. Currently, it's showing what the single existing entry contains

16mrblond
Dic 14, 2020, 9:44 am

>14 anglemark: The title in the work details was not good because it came from the nasty library sources with needless explanation added to the title but anyway this was before to be combined. After that, it took the original title.

17anglemark
Dic 14, 2020, 9:56 am

>16 mrblond: That happens often, but then we just change the title for our book and all is well again. Again: The work details are the result of everything that floats to the surface. Just ignore them. It's your books in your catalog that count.

18mrblond
Editado: Dic 14, 2020, 10:27 am

>17 anglemark: Okay anglemark, it is so kind that you and other people try to help. I'm still not convinced that this site works because I'm facing another very big crash here and I'm about to delete my account and run away.

Now, I try to add my DVDs, it is allowed another media, right?
Just the software here is full of bugs and conflicts.

Can somebody help and where to present the new problems? We waste so many time here...

19mrblond
Dic 14, 2020, 10:42 am

For this, I'm going to start a new topic.

20MarthaJeanne
Dic 14, 2020, 10:59 am

>18 mrblond: It's too bad that LT does not match your expectations, but much of the time I think that the problem lies with your expectations.

No, LT isn't perfect, and one of its big imperfections is how it treats non-latin alphabets.

You have a good deal of control over how your own book is listed. But your book is combined into a work, and you have very little control over how the work is listed. Work information is set either by the computer or as 'Common Knowledge'. You can, of course, change Common Knowledge, but so can anybody else. There is no promise that what you enter there will stay. But the way 'editions' are listed is not something you or any other member can influence.

I think you should also be aware that those of us who have been trying to help you are also 'just' members. We have been 'wasting our time' trying to help you.

21gilroy
Dic 14, 2020, 11:27 am

>16 mrblond: 99% of the time, ratty data comes from an Amazon source/seller. This also means the person who chose to add it to their library either didn't care or uploaded, got frustrated like you, then left. MOST libraries have very good data, but it depends on what you consider good data. And you usually have to dig around to find sources that you can work with. Don't just pick one source and assume it is all you need.

22mrblond
Dic 14, 2020, 11:30 am

>20 MarthaJeanne: I'd like to thanks again for your response.
I'm aware that you are also members that's why I've said above "We waste so many time" and not "I waste so many time".
Actually, I'm feeling guilty for posting these things here instead of just working calm aside.

23Jenson_AKA_DL
Dic 29, 2020, 2:43 pm

I didn't want to start a new thread and am sorry if this one brings back any bad feelings. The thread title seemed to be what I am looking for. There is a short story called Remnant by KJ Charles (found it on the touchstone) that I want to add to my library. I can go to the work page, but when I click "add to library", the list it brings up doesn't have that particular work included. I don't believe this is a book you can get through Amazon, I downloaded it through Smashwords, but obviously others have been able to add it to their libraries. Since this book already has a page I didn't want to manually create a duplicate.

I'm hoping someone could direct me to how to get this book added to my library? I did try using Overcat as a source but it failed to come up there either.

24MarthaJeanne
Editado: Dic 29, 2020, 3:11 pm

The Add book link just takes you to the add book page with the title entered into the search box, so it isn't very useful. If you can't find the book in a source, you will need to add it manually. If it doesn't autocombine into the existing work, you can get help combining it at https://www.librarything.com/groups/combiners

I just checked several members with that work, and they all seem to have entered it manually

25lilithcat
Dic 29, 2020, 3:12 pm

>23 Jenson_AKA_DL:

It looks as though everyone who added it used the manual entry option. Which makes sense because no library is likely to have a book downloaded from Smashwords.

I did try using Overcat

Overcat only has books people added from libraries.

26SandraArdnas
Dic 29, 2020, 3:26 pm

>23 Jenson_AKA_DL: It appears some of the existing copies were not manually added, but I couldn't find a source that has it (including amazon). You will not create a duplicate by entering your copy, either manually or from a source, you will just create your own copy for that work. Like MartaJeanne said, if it doesn't auto.combine appropriately, post in combiners group (or combine it yourself by adding both works to the workbench)

27Jenson_AKA_DL
Dic 30, 2020, 8:36 am

I see, thanks so much for the responses!