Combining/Separating (Please Fix This Book!) Request Thread #82

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Combining/Separating (Please Fix This Book!) Request Thread #82

1jasbro
Mar 14, 2020, 8:39 pm

THIS THREAD is for LibraryThing Members, and especially for “beginners,” to ask help and learn about combining and separating specific LibraryThing Works.
-- If a book is combined with other, very different books.
-- If a book won’t combine with others just like it.
-- If problems with any Work are overwhelming, or maybe you just don’t have time.

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WHEN YOU POST:
-- Please give Titles, Authors, hyperlinks, and other information that will help.
-- If you post multiple requests at once, please number each group. Examples:

“Please combine:
#1: The Story of the Life of You
http://www.librarything.com/work/AAAAAAAA
http://www.librarything.com/work/BBBBBBBB
#2: The Story of the Life of Everyone Else
http://www.librarything.com/work/XXXXXXXX
http://www.librarything.com/work/YYYYYYYY
http://www.librarything.com/work/ZZZZZZZZ


-- Ask about sets of Works or Series pages, ask for opinions, or ask for help with specific languages, subjects, etc.; but please be brief.
-- Please do not give Search pages, Author pages, or groups of “possibles,” unless you have a specific question.
-- “Someone will be with you shortly.” Most requests are handled by our fellow LibraryThing Members, not by staff.
-- If you add to a post, please use “ETA:” or “EDIT:” to show what’s new.
-- Please note when a request is “DONE.”

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NOTES:
-- If two works have more than 200 records each, LibraryThing staff may need to do the combining. Please post these requests to: http://www.librarything.com/topic/95602 .
-- For information and discussion, but not problems, please see the Combiner’s Group Information, FAQ & Discussion Thread: http://www.librarything.com/topic/57164 .
-- For the related wiki page, please see: http://www.librarything.com/wiki/index.php/Book_combining .
-- Please note Tim’s Guidelines for Proper Etiquette for Contacting Members about Book Records at http://www.librarything.com/topic/30795#469616 ; if you contact another Member, please use Private Comment.
-- When this thread reaches 200 posts, please do not post here but start a new Thread. Threads under 200 posts load faster and are easier to navigate. Please copy these notes as post #1 of the new thread. Thank you.

2karenb
Mar 20, 2020, 5:25 am

This study guide on Nathaniel Hawthorne's House of the Seven Gables has CK from a Lonely Planet guide about Africa. Anyone care to have a go at figuring out if there is a bigger problem than the wrong CK left over?

https://www.librarything.com/work/3739879

32wonderY
Mar 20, 2020, 5:33 am

The member who added the CK has the Africa book, not this one. I removed the erroneous CK.

4karenb
Mar 20, 2020, 5:43 am

>3 2wonderY: Too easy. Thank you.

5varielle
Abr 19, 2020, 10:40 am

Can someone help clean up this author? I tried but may have made things worse. Sir John T. Houghton the physicist passed away on April 15. There are several people with the same or similar name and their books are all over the place. Very confusing.

6MarthaJeanne
Editado: Abr 19, 2020, 11:42 am

>5 varielle: It looks like https://www.librarything.com/author/houghtonjohntheodore is the same person.
I've combined them, but not moved the CK.

https://www.librarything.com/author/houghtonjohn has several books that need to be divided between various authors.

7SaintSunniva
Abr 26, 2020, 5:24 pm

This series page needs some help.
https://www.librarything.com/series/Misericordia+Readers

For starters, how do I get the authors on the actual series page (and on the Main Page for each book) to show Sisters of Mercy of Baltimore Maryland to differentiate them from other Sisters of Mercy's publications?

Second, I added a new book to it yesterday https://www.librarything.com/work/24648728, and inadvertently put the illustrator's name as the author, and now can't get it off, ie it shows the illustrator as author on the series page,
even though I removed it from my own book,
and from the Main Page for the book https://www.librarything.com/work/24648728.

Third, on the series page is a double entry for the Fifth Reader, https://www.librarything.com/work/16844189 which has the author as Various Authors. Can someone get rid of that Various Authors, and put the correct Sisters of Mercy of Baltimore Maryland, and/or combine.

8Collectorator
Editado: Abr 26, 2020, 9:37 pm

Este miembro ha sido suspendido del sitio.

9SaintSunniva
Abr 27, 2020, 11:06 pm

>8 Collectorator: Thanks, I think it looks great now!

10SaintSunniva
Abr 29, 2020, 11:19 pm

I believe this author needs separating.
https://www.librarything.com/author/vanesutton Sutton Vane
includes three books by Sybil Victoria Sutton-Vane. Her three books are
https://www.librarything.com/work/4046446 The Black Whippet
https://www.librarything.com/work/4649592 The Story of Eyes
https://www.librarything.com/work/1308535 How to Play With Your Children

11scott_beeler
Abr 30, 2020, 2:22 am

>10 SaintSunniva: I've separated out Sybil Victoria Sutton-Vane into:
https://www.librarything.com/author/suttonvanesybilvicto

The author names had been combined at some point. Combining and separating of author names can be done from the "Improve this author" box on the lower right of the author page. They can be combined by searching for one author on the other's page under "Combine with...", and mistaken combinations can be separated out using "examine and separate out names" under "Includes". For example I separated out both "Sybil Victoria Sutton-Vane" and "Sybil Victoria Sutton-Vane Jacobson" and then merged those two together since I'm presuming they are the same person ("...Jacobson" is listed as the author of "The Story of Eyes", one of the three you listed).

12SaintSunniva
Abr 30, 2020, 11:54 pm

Thank you >11 scott_beeler:

Here's another that needs a bit of help.
Author Leon Ware is not the same as the musician Leon Ware
https://www.librarything.com/author/wareleon

The first Leon Ware wrote 7 children's mysteries in the 1950s.

There should be a secondary listing for Leon Ware to go with the work https://www.librarything.com/work/13177240 Musical Massage (touchstones not working)

13davidgn
mayo 1, 2020, 4:58 am

I've made a minor hash of https://www.librarything.com/author/dalphinmarcia by combining with "Mabel Williams and Marcia Dalphin," just as I was about to knock off to do something else important. If anybody else would like to do the necessary rectification, I'd appreciate it.
Could also use the various titles combined that were dumped into the Marcia Dalphin record.

14MarthaJeanne
Editado: mayo 1, 2020, 5:59 am

>13 davidgn: OK, I combined a bunch of things, then separated out a never ending list of botched authors, first adding Dalphin, Marcia to other authors of any books on those authors. I have not made any attempt to recombine all the messy authors.

Oh, and at some point the list ended after all.

I also found more to conbine.

15newcrossbooks
mayo 1, 2020, 9:23 am

Today I catalogued two works by Livius, the pseudonym of an Italian writing in the 1930's about the Italian-Ethiopian War. I already had catalogued another work by the same author some time ago - the three works are:.
https://www.librarything.com/work/24553808
https://www.librarything.com/work/24682043
https://www.librarything.com/work/24682038

I noticed these works were being combined with works by Livy (Livy, Livy, Liwiusz, Tit Livi, Tite-Live, T. Livius, TITI LIVI, Tito Livio, Titus Livy, Tito Livio, Tito Lívio, Tito Lívio, Tutus Livius, Tits Līvijs, Titus Livius, Titus Livius, Titus Livius Livy, Livii T. Patavini, Тит Ливий, T. Livius Narrator, Livy (Titus Livius), Livii Titi Patavini, Titus Livius Patavinus, Titum Livius van Padua, D. Titus; Spillan Livius, Titus Livy Livius Patavinus).

I carefully went through all the works listed under Livy (hundreds - although he only ever wrote one book!) and split them into 3 distinct authors (The listing also included a copy of The Equation That Couldn't Be Solved by Mario Livio - https://www.librarything.com/work/240889).

{It looks as though LT is combining authors on part names - there is no 'Livius' or 'Livio' in the author name list}

I then separated 'The Equation That Couldn't Be Solved' from the list of works and found that Livy then only comprised of two distinct authors.
https://www.librarything.com/author/livy

Unfortunately the separated work is still listed as being authored by Livy, rather than Livio
https://www.librarything.com/work/24682400

And, of course, my author Livius is still listed as Livy-2
https://www.librarything.com/author/livy-2

How do I sort out these problems? Is it possible to cut the connection beween my author and Livy so that they're listed as Livius? How do I sort out the author problem with 24682400?

16davidgn
mayo 1, 2020, 9:42 am

>14 MarthaJeanne: Many thanks. Got a chance to roll them up again. Here's the result if anyone wants to combine the stragglers.
https://www.librarything.com/author/dalphinmabelwilliams

17scott_beeler
mayo 1, 2020, 12:03 pm

>12 SaintSunniva: I've separated the two Leon Wares and put some sparse Common Knowledge onto the page.

18JMK2020
Editado: mayo 1, 2020, 4:44 pm

I did my best with "some" operations to differentiate / dissociate associate authors works and books (I'm not totally sure...)

Tell me what you think about that

https://www.librarything.com/author/livy

---------> https://www.librarything.com/author/livy-1

---------> https://www.librarything.com/author/livy-2

nb: I did not browse the 638 works of Tite Live.
If there is a problem, tell me, I will take a closer look

I'll re-complete each CK asap

19newcrossbooks
mayo 1, 2020, 6:18 pm

>18 JMK2020: Thanks - that's a lot of work you've done. And I think I've messed it up already - sorry.

I looked at Livy and saw Livius was now one of the named authors combined when I hadn't seen Livius on the previous list of authors combined with Livy (and it was a longer list before?).

I then looked at Livius and saw that there was a Livius-1, History of Rome author, and a Livius-2, my Livius author, and wondered why both had been combined with Livy, and not just Livius-1. I thought what could go wrong if I had a look at the author division page for Livy and split off Livius?

Well my author became Livius-2 which looks better but it soon became clear that there was no way of adding just Livius-1 to Livy. It appears that you have to add the 'top level' Livius, so I've added Livius back again - so my author is back to being Livy-2.

And then when I looked at Livy it appears that he's now just got Livius combined with him - all of the authors previously combined have been 'disconnected'. I think they're all in the 'combine with' section but didn't want to just add them back in case I made things even worse....

There were also a list of unknown author Livys which have also disappeared since I started tinkering...

Sorry again

20MarthaJeanne
Editado: mayo 1, 2020, 6:58 pm

>19 newcrossbooks: Since Livius has been used for both authors, there is no way of separating them that doesn't involve having Livius-1 and Livius-2. It can be argued whether the division should come after combining or before aliasing, but since there are overwhelmingly more works by the Roman historian, there is a lot to said for keeping that author fairly simple.

LibraryThing is not to blame thar a 20th century author thought it would be cute to use thename of the earlier author.

Come to think of it, there is another solution. If you use the author's real name instead of the pseudonym, the problem is probably cleared up. Unless, of course that name is also shared with other authors.

21newcrossbooks
mayo 1, 2020, 9:31 pm

>20 MarthaJeanne: I can understand the necessity for, and am quite happy with there being, a Livius-1 and Livius-2. I do find it a bit odd though that, because Livius-1 has to be combined with Livy as they are the same author, Livius-2 is also combined with Livy and then becomes Livy-2 by default, rather than Livius-2.

It appears that you can only currently combine the first level names of authors (eg Livius) and not the second level names (Livius-1, Livius-2...). This must cause all sorts of problems with some authors - I think it would be much more useful if you could select from the second level when combining (eg Livius-1 with Livy, so Livius-2 remains Livius-2).

And, of course, Livius-1 actually only ever wrote one work - 'Ab Urbe Condita' or 'The Founding of the City' or 'The History of Rome' - so technically he's really a single work author.

I'm afraid that I don't know my author's real name. They wrote 6 works in the same series and I'm sure the name was deliberately chosen because they were writing the history of a new Roman Empire under Mussolini. And if I did find their real name then surely I'd have to link it to Livius, which would then cause even more confusion?

Anyway, thanks to all for their help in sorting out my problem and increasing my knowledge of LT and its mysterious ways of working.

22jjwilson61
mayo 2, 2020, 9:16 am

I believe that's what aliasing is for. Livius-1 should be aliased in Livy not combined.

23newcrossbooks
mayo 2, 2020, 2:28 pm

>22 jjwilson61: Thanks very much - aliasing the author seems to be exactly what you need to do in this situation.

I had to resort to the help pages to find out how to do it but now my author is Livius-2 and the works catalogued under Livius-1 are included with Livy.

It's not perfect though - if you look at a book where the author is Livius-1 (eg https://www.librarything.com/work/3728464) and click on the author you get sent to the Livius-1 author page (rather than Livy, which is where you would be sent if the authors were combined). There is just a note to say that 'Livius, (1) has been aliased into Livy' (with a link to Livy).

24JMK2020
mayo 3, 2020, 5:27 am

> 22 jjwilson61
> newcrossbooks
> and some

See here

https://www.librarything.fr/author/livy

(A)
Tito Livio (Combine)
Titus Livius (Combine)
Titus Livy (Combine)
Titus Livius Livy (Combine)
Tite-Live (Combine)
Titus Livius (Combine)

================>>> he is Livius, Livy, Tite live...

I combined these and separate books and works with Livy

But now

you have
1) https://www.librarything.com/author/livius

2)
https://www.librarything.fr/author/liviotito
https://www.librarything.fr/author/livytitus
and others (cf (A)

xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx

I note these actions here from collectorator
https://www.librarything.fr/commonknowledge/search.php?q=Collectorator&f=use...

Aujourd'hui, 1:40 am Auteur
Livy
notice de désambigüisation
- THIS IS A SPLIT AUTHOR You can… eng Collectorator

Aujourd'hui, 1:40 am Auteur
Livius
notice de désambigüisation
- THIS IS A SPLIT AUTHOR You can… eng Collectorator

Na comprendo, Pas compris, Don't understand, nicht verstanden, non capito. Is someboby to explain the collectorator action and what i had to do in this case ?

TX

25Collectorator
Editado: mayo 3, 2020, 11:15 am

Este miembro ha sido suspendido del sitio.

26JMK2020
mayo 3, 2020, 2:39 pm

Ok,
I am sorry not to have the infused science, not to know everything and blablabla

i understand 'you can't'... you can't', 'you don't ......' ....
OK, OK, OK
HOW is better than NO
In my questions, and this to be constructive, I ask how to do more than what should not be done

As you seem to be an expert, a real lesson would be to say what and how to do it.

thank you for your comeback and efficient manual

NB, I have corrected / completed many fields that you delete without looking too much.

27r.orrison
mayo 3, 2020, 4:30 pm

Why is https://www.librarything.com/author/livy split when all of the works are assigned to the same split? I think that just confuses the matter.

28Collectorator
Editado: mayo 3, 2020, 4:33 pm

Este miembro ha sido suspendido del sitio.

29JMK2020
mayo 3, 2020, 7:42 pm

That what i said... vs
https://www.librarything.com/author/livy

And before this split i combined all the dénomation of Tite Live Livy, Livius.....)

Can we combine these "Name"

Combine with…
Tito Livio (combine)
Titus Livius (combine)
Titus Livy (combine)
Titus Livius Livy (combine)
Tite-Live (combine)
Titus Livius (combine)
Never? | Search

And after dispatch

What could we do ?

Other question :
Imagine 4 same works (real same) with diffrerent Name who change vs Langage et vs edition time in the same langage....

What is the good action ?

30JMK2020
mayo 3, 2020, 7:51 pm

Other question

How could i understand

Livy (1)

This page covers the author of Ab urbe condita, libri 1-2 in Latin.
For other authors named Livy, see the disambiguation page.

vs

Livy (disambiguation)

https://www.librarything.com/author/livy (Livy (disambiguation))

....

Where is Livy (2) ??????????????????

????

31Collectorator
mayo 3, 2020, 8:17 pm

Este miembro ha sido suspendido del sitio.

32r.orrison
mayo 4, 2020, 2:57 am

Livy is now unsplit, and Livius-1 alaised into Livy.

33Nicole_VanK
Editado: mayo 4, 2020, 3:55 am

So "all" we have to do now is to recombine all the other versions of the name that only apply to the Roman historian Titus Livius, commonly known as Livy in English only.

34JMK2020
mayo 4, 2020, 5:12 pm


-> r.orrison
-> Nicole_VanK

Finally, this is what I did by regrouping all the names of the Roman Livy (Livius, Tite live, Titi Livi ...)

And then separating the homonyms according to the dictators
It's the action i made

(cf 18)

18 JMK2020 Modifié: 1 mai , 22h44

But I still did not understand what to do precisely and in the rules of the art :

Imagine 4 same works (real same) with diffrerent Name who change vs Langage et vs edition time in the same langage....

35newcrossbooks
mayo 5, 2020, 12:18 am

>27 r.orrison: Sorry, it was indeed me who split Livy. I entered some books by an Italian author from the 1930s who used pseudonym of Livius and who then appeared under Livy. For a little while my Livius was Livy-2, and there was even a Livy-3 (a badly entered Mario Livio).

You can see my reasoning behind the splits and the resulting problems I had here >15 newcrossbooks: (Livius didn't feature in the list of authors combined with Livy so I assumed it was being combined because the name was part of other names that were on the list). I could see that my splits had not achieved the result I wanted, which is why I posted here to try to get my edit fixed.

My Livius problem is sorted but there's still a problem with https://www.librarything.com/work/24682400 which is catalogued as being authored by Livio and so is linked to Livy. The author is actually Mario Livio and the book should really be combined with The Equation That Couldn't Be Solved by Mario Livio - https://www.librarything.com/work/240889

36Nicole_VanK
Editado: mayo 5, 2020, 12:31 am

>35 newcrossbooks: Thanks for drawing attention to that one. I have now sent it to the Mario Livio page, by forcing a name change on that book page. (It will not affect the user who has entered it that way).

ETA: The book is now combined with the rest of that title.

37JMK2020
mayo 6, 2020, 2:54 pm

Good Job ;-)

38jasbro
mayo 21, 2020, 1:12 pm

Good afternoon, Combiners:

I'm looking to understand how seemingly unrelated works get proposed for combination on an Editions page, and whether we have ways to temper or tamp down on widely disparate connections, which I generally find to be unhelpful wastes of time trying to sort through. Dan Brown's Angels & Demons may be the most extreme example I've seen recently, maybe even out of control, but there are plenty of others too. If there's any technique to disassociate an unrelated edition, I'm not yet aware of it.

Thanks for your thoughts ...

40Taphophile13
mayo 29, 2020, 11:49 pm

41MissBrangwen
mayo 30, 2020, 4:57 am

Dear Combiners,
I have been a silent reader in this group for quite long, looking for tips and advice and getting the knack of combining over time. Now I'm at a loss of what to do, though.

These two need combining, as one is simply the German edition of the other. I don't know how to do it, though, because the English original one did not have the author's name, and although I added it, the book does not show up on her page, so I cannot combine the editions from there.

https://www.librarything.de/work/1424534/summary/184284722

https://www.librarything.de/work/829904/book/83970320

Thank you for your support!

42MarthaJeanne
Editado: mayo 30, 2020, 7:14 am

https://www.librarything.com/work/1424534

https://www.librarything.com/work/829904

Are you sure that A Tolkien Treasury and The Tolkien Scrapbook have the same content?

One is from 1979, the other from 2001.

If you are sure that Das kleine Tolkien-Buch is a translation of A Tolkien Treasury, then the copies of this title should be separated from the scrapbook and moved to the treasury.
The more I look, the more this looks like the right action, so I'll do it.

Moved Das kleine Tolkien Buch to Tolkien treasury

It is important to check work title and editions before combining.

43Bookmarque
mayo 30, 2020, 8:00 am

http://www.librarything.com/author/duboisjennifer

The book The Spectators is listed under a different Jennifer Dubois instead of the same one who wrote Cartwheel. Checked her author page and she did write both books. I've been here forever, but I don't know enough about combining to fix it. Also afraid of making it worse!!

44cjbanning
Editado: mayo 30, 2020, 8:10 am

>43 Bookmarque:

On the right sidebar of the author page there's a link that reads "edit the division." It takes you to a page where you can say which Jennifer Dubois wrote which book. I've taken care of it, but it's really fairly easy!

45MarthaJeanne
Editado: mayo 30, 2020, 8:30 am

Both the works left in unknown were translations of Cartwheel, so I combined them.

46MissBrangwen
mayo 30, 2020, 8:32 am

I did not notice The Tolkien Scrapbook and do not know about it, but I am sure about Das kleine Tolkien-Buch and A Tolkien Treasury because I own both.

It looks as if everything is correct now, thank you!

47Bookmarque
mayo 30, 2020, 9:15 am

Thanks for the fix!

48macsbrains
Jun 9, 2020, 6:46 pm

https://www.librarything.com/work/19374240
https://www.librarything.com/work/19205319

These seem to be the same but the former has CK. I'm not sure how that carries over, so I brought it here. Thanks!

49SandraArdnas
Jun 9, 2020, 7:22 pm

>48 macsbrains: Combined. CK should combine too when combining, so just checking for duplicates is normally enough. I can't delete the extra series info in CK since it's locked, but everything looks fine in new series interface

50bluepiano
Jul 1, 2020, 6:32 am

http://www.librarything.com/work/10637398/summary. 'editions' contains 2 English language titles; one, The Night of the Demon, is the original movie & runs 96 minutes and the other, Curse of the Demon, was the US relase running at 85 minutes. Seems to me if this were a short book with an abridgement of the same proportion in one of the editions I'd be tempted to separate the two--but wanted to see what ye think about separating these? Cheers.

51MarthaJeanne
Editado: Jul 1, 2020, 8:02 am

>50 bluepiano: It's at least nice that they changed the title when they abridged it. Note that there are also editions that include both.

One of the Amazon reviews says "With approximately 15-minutes whacked in the U.S. version, "Curse of the Demon", there is a very noticeable difference because important details that make the movie more understanding are left on the cutting room floor in order to shorten the total content to 82-minutes without any explanation for the editing."

I would separate into three works and see if you can get good work-to-work relationships.

52mene
Jul 4, 2020, 12:40 pm

I found a few books in which the author's first and last name are merged:

Correct book:
https://www.librarything.com/work/19687646/
Wrong book (author's first and last name are switched) :
https://www.librarything.com/work/14017413

Correct book:
https://www.librarything.com/work/19687677
Wrong book:
https://www.librarything.com/work/14017414

Correct book:
https://www.librarything.com/work/19687616
Wrong book:
https://www.librarything.com/work/14017415

53jasbro
Jul 4, 2020, 5:57 pm

>52 mene: Done.

54Daisy_zn
Jul 5, 2020, 10:41 am

Could someone please combine the following:

https://www.librarything.nl/work/23907397/book/185925506

https://www.librarything.nl/work/15294113

I tried to do it myself, but I can't find the first one under the authors name.

Thank you

55MarthaJeanne
Editado: Jul 5, 2020, 11:29 am

https://www.librarything.com/work/23907397/book/185925506

https://www.librarything.com/work/15294113

Done.

Note: This is the sort of thing the workbench is good at. It is also possible to get works like this to show on the author page by 'recalculating' the author and title.

56SaintSunniva
Jul 13, 2020, 10:35 am

Please fix this for me.

There are two books with the same title, by the same author, but they are not the same work. One is "condensed for very young readers"

https://www.librarything.com/work/15045095/book/8312230 (this one is NOT the Junior Vision Book version. It is part of the Vision Book series, however.)

https://www.librarything.com/work/15045095/book/109469216 (this is correct - it is in the Junior Vision Book series)

I hope I'm making sense here! Thanks!

57MarthaJeanne
Jul 13, 2020, 10:58 am

>56 SaintSunniva: I took out the only copy that didn't say 'Junior Vision' and combined it into https://www.librarything.com/work/33336

Without ISBNs, two books by the same author with the same title are very nearly impossible to keep sorted.

58SaintSunniva
Jul 13, 2020, 12:47 pm

Hmmm. >57 MarthaJeanne:. Maybe I should change a title to include, as part of the title, Junior Vision Book.

59MarthaJeanne
Editado: Jul 13, 2020, 12:51 pm

If the current status - not using the links in >56 SaintSunniva: - is incorrect, then you need to do that for anyone to be able to sort your copy to the proper place.

60SaintSunniva
Jul 13, 2020, 12:57 pm

>57 MarthaJeanne: Well, I did what I said I'd do. Now is it possible to remove a wrong cover from the selection of choices for it, so that it isn't available?
https://www.librarything.com/work/15045095
(The incorrect cover is the one with the top third black, with lettering on it)

61jjwilson61
Jul 13, 2020, 1:28 pm

Covers can take a while to sort themselves out after a separation.

The system uses title, author, and ISBN to identify an "edition", so if two books have the same title and author and no ISBN they are not only difficult but impossible to separate.

62AnnieMod
Jul 14, 2020, 5:13 am

And this one is used by one of the books in this work so the best that can be done is to flag it (already under way).

632wonderY
Jul 14, 2020, 7:58 am

Odd. I found two entries for A Room With A View on the author page, with no disambiguation notice on either.

http://www.librarything.com/work/20174
and
http://www.librarything.com/work/24065246

I thought I'd ask for more eyes on it before combining them. Am I missing something?

64SandraArdnas
Jul 14, 2020, 8:31 am

Looks right for combining. The smaller group is all one ISBN, which somehow didn't get auto-combined

65karenb
Editado: Jul 16, 2020, 10:42 pm

Any suggestions on combining zero-copy authors with their proper authors? Usually it's a name that got entered First name, Last name.

Most recent example:

David Wong Louie: https://www.librarything.com/author/louiedavidwong
Zero-copy author: https://www.librarything.com/author/davidwonglouie

(If I figured out how to do this before, I've forgotten it. Also, the wiki doesn't discuss zero-copy authors, just zero-copy editions.)

Any & all info is a plus. Thanks!

66SandraArdnas
Jul 17, 2020, 10:49 am

I'm not sure what kind of suggestions you seek, but aside from searching for plausible variants of the name from the author page, most of those I combined are a result of searching for works to combine by title, which often results with straggler singletons with the author slightly misspelled.

67karenb
Jul 17, 2020, 4:12 pm

>66 SandraArdnas:

Help combining the two authors. I can't get the zero-copy one to show up on searching from the main author.

68SandraArdnas
Jul 17, 2020, 5:26 pm

Oh, I do it from the zero author page.

69jasbro
Jul 17, 2020, 8:16 pm

>68 SandraArdnas: There's a zero author page?

70SandraArdnas
Jul 17, 2020, 8:42 pm

>69 jasbro: Even more than zero copy works I suspect. Basically, whenever you combine works without combining author names not already combined, it leaves an author page with zero works. Most of those are those jumbled single entries of multiple authors, though, with only an occasional variant that should be combined with the main author page

71Collectorator
Editado: Jul 17, 2020, 9:17 pm

Este miembro ha sido suspendido del sitio.

72jjwilson61
Jul 18, 2020, 12:42 pm

The zero-copy link from >65 karenb: looks like the not-author link from >71 Collectorator:, so it should be ignored? Karenb, where did you get that link?

73SandraArdnas
Jul 18, 2020, 3:39 pm

I don't think it's a bogus link and see no reason not to combine them, but I believe it has to be done from the zero works page since the search doesn't always list them

74karenb
Jul 18, 2020, 8:19 pm

>72 jjwilson61: I know, right? I'm not sure that the difference is that obvious.

In my case, I got the author from a zero-copy edition (https://www.librarything.com/work/6632975). I was going to combine the authors and then combine the works, which is how I usually do it. (If that's not good, please someone tell me now so I can stop.)

75MarthaJeanne
Jul 18, 2020, 10:52 pm

It's easier to use the workbench.

76supersidvicious
Editado: Jul 20, 2020, 6:04 am

77chwiggy
Jul 20, 2020, 6:53 am

I separated them, but I'm wondering how they might recombine into other works by Walther Schaumann.

If you know these works, you might be able to help and sort out which belong together, and which don't, and which could be linked with work to work relationships.

So far I've just made sure, that editions that specify, they are volume 1, 2, 3, 4, or 5, or that they consist of 5 volumes, are not combined into one, and combined them into each other if their titles matched exactly.

78supersidvicious
Jul 20, 2020, 9:25 am

>77 chwiggy: thank you, I will look at it

79bismarckfairy
Jul 20, 2020, 9:25 pm

http://www.librarything.com/work/25028166/editions/

The edition just has the author listed as Bruce. The book was actually written by Bruce and Lynn Quernemoen. Those authors do not appear anywhere on LibraryThing. Is it okay to change the author on the work to Bruce Quernemoen and Lynn Quernemoen anyway?

80jasbro
Jul 20, 2020, 10:41 pm

81jjwilson61
Jul 21, 2020, 12:00 pm

Well...you do need to pick one of them for the primary author. LT only allows one primary author for each work.

82MarthaJeanne
Jul 21, 2020, 12:25 pm

And if you have entered it, correct your copy first.

83infjsarah
Jul 25, 2020, 5:28 am

Hi,
I don't know if this should be in here or is a series problem but I have been adding DVDs of "Quantum Leap". Everything is fine for Series 1, 2 and 3.
But no matter what when I add Series 4 and 5, LT insists on making them Series 1. And adding my reviews to Series 1 - AARGH..............
The pages are https://www.librarything.com/work/1010373/book/184514748
and
https://www.librarything.com/work/1010373/book/186635600

Can anyone solve this one?

84MarthaJeanne
Editado: Jul 25, 2020, 5:46 am

> 83 Separated.

And combined into the correct works.

The problem is that the auto combiner stops checking a title at a colon, and there were copies with the primary author you chose in that work. When books end up in the wrong work it is quite easy to go to the edition page and separate the wrong copies out.

In general, deleting and readding entries because they are in the wrong work only makes matters worse, as 0 copy editions remain in that work and attract new additions.

85quokka70
Jul 26, 2020, 8:41 pm

The work

https://www.librarything.com/work/15610

is Montaigne's Essays. The default title is, reasonably, "The Complete Essays". But the work combines some books that include only a selection of the essays. For example, yesterday I added ISBN 0140440836, which is a Penguin edition containing 26 of the 107 essays. It falls under the "Complete Essays" work but shouldn't.

I'm not sure what to do. I could go through and separate out my particular ISBN, but that leaves several other books with the same editor/translator - presumably they have the same content but I can't be sure. And there may be others that also have the same content but aren't obviously marked with the same editor.

86jasbro
Editado: Jul 27, 2020, 5:30 pm

>85 quokka70: We should absolutely go through and separate out any specific records that we can confirm differ from the work where they're previously combined, using disambiguation notices editor/translator may be one consideration among several for doing so. Oftentimes when I get into such a deep dive, I learn a good bit about differences among editions, sometimes even going back and undoing or redoing differently what I previously thought was a good cycle of separation and recombination. Among the online resources I typically find most useful: WorldCat, Amazon, Bookfinder, Google Books, Wikipedia, Project Gutenberg, even library-specific records. Sometimes, however, it's a quagmire that I confess I don't really manage to slog through. Variants of Wilhelm Ruland's Legends of the Rhine and Finest Legends of the Rhine come to mind; I finally reached a point there that I can do little more without reference to actual copies, some of which are available digitally online. If you would tackle Montaigne and we could help, please let us know!

87quokka70
Jul 27, 2020, 4:45 pm

>86 jasbro:: Thanks. I will start work on breaking out editions I am confident have the same content as my Penguin edition.

What do you mean by disambiguation notices?

88jasbro
Editado: Jul 27, 2020, 5:35 pm

>87 quokka70: Take a look at the "Common Knowledge" section for the LibraryThing work, Wilhelm Ruland's Legends of the Rhine. The sixth field up from the bottom of the "Common Knowledge" section is for disambiguation notices (actually, three disambiguation notices here, because someone else meticulously and systematically undid all the separating and recombining I had managed to do). In theory, a disambiguation notice tells other LT users how one separated work is different from another, so we can maintain our distinctions among them. As you identify an edition of Montaigne that warrants distinction from other, similar works, describing the difference in a disambiguation notice will tell me (for example) what's different about the edition you separated, so I'll know better what to look for in my copy, and what more to combine or keep separate from the edition you distinguished.

89h-mb
Ago 2, 2020, 7:59 am

90MarthaJeanne
Editado: Ago 2, 2020, 11:01 am

Yes. Done.

91MissBrangwen
Editado: Ago 9, 2020, 11:30 am

This

https://www.librarything.de/work/13085261/

should be combined with this

https://www.librarything.de/work/13048121/

because it is simply the German edition.

Unfortunately I could not do it myself because for the original one the author is J.R.R. Tolkien although it should be Paddy Kempshall. It's a common problem that books inspired by the Lord of the Rings or Hobbit films appear with Tolkien as the author, not with their real author.

Can someone please fix this (and maybe also point me to the right direction on how to combine works like this? I found that if I fix the author, the work usually still does not appear on the author's page, so I cannot combine the works.)?

EDIT:
It's exactly the same here:
https://www.librarything.de/work/14519037
https://www.librarything.de/work/16820696/

And here:
https://www.librarything.de/work/15534928
https://www.librarything.de/work/17971186

93MarthaJeanne
Editado: Ago 9, 2020, 11:45 am

https://www.librarything.com/work/13085261/
https://www.librarything.com/work/13048121/

Got it. Done. You need to use the workbench for things like this - bottom right on the work page.

95MissBrangwen
Editado: Ago 9, 2020, 11:50 am

It definitely says so in my German edition. I wondered myself because the titles are so different, but the description of the English work fits. It's not an annual, although the English title suggests it.

EDIT:
I tried to but didn't get through. I will try again the next time I encounter this problem!

Thank you!!!

96MarthaJeanne
Editado: Ago 9, 2020, 11:52 am

I got mixed up. It's done now. Working on the third one.

Done.

97MissBrangwen
Ago 9, 2020, 11:51 am

Thank you! :-)

98MarthaJeanne
Editado: Ago 9, 2020, 12:03 pm

I've also found what I'm 99% sure is the US edition of the first one and combined it in.

Don't forget that other author names have to be confirmed on the work page before they do anything. It can also take time for the database to respond.

99MissBrangwen
Editado: Ago 9, 2020, 12:09 pm

Yes, I found that one, too, and at first it added to the confusion! But everything is correct now at least as far as I can see!

EDIT:
Ah, I didn't know that! Thank you, next time I'll wait before I continue working on anything.

100SaintSunniva
Ago 15, 2020, 11:48 pm

Would someone tidy this up:
https://www.librarything.com/work/2912098, a children's book The Wonderful Day by Elizabeth Jane Coatsworth
The book description at the top of the page is absolutely not for that book, and has nothing to do with the book or the others in the same series. It begins "While the majority of Internet users reside in industrialized nations..."

101MarthaJeanne
Editado: Ago 16, 2020, 3:18 am

All we can do is flag it. Rarely this is the result of something combined in, but not this time. One ISBN gets a different result in WorldCat. But it doesn't match the description either. And if the title and author match, a wrong ISBN is not a reason for separating. There are lots of these.

Description probably belongs to https://www.librarything.com/work/11929552/editions

102jonsweitzerlamme
Ago 16, 2020, 3:34 pm

Trying to separate these two corporate authors; there is no need for a disambiguation page because they don't have the same name:
https://www.librarything.com/author/leadershipconference

103SaintSunniva
Ago 16, 2020, 3:51 pm

>101 MarthaJeanne: Thank you for flagging it, then. The incorrect description is gone now.

104MarthaJeanne
Editado: Ago 16, 2020, 5:48 pm

>102 jonsweitzerlamme: You can't separate them because they go to the same URL. The URL only uses the first 20 characters of an author's name. in this case that is leadershipconference. Any author name that begins with Leadership Conference is going to land on that page and will need to be split.

105amanda4242
Ago 17, 2020, 12:35 pm

It looks like there are a number of works which need to be combined in The Man Without Qualities series. Can someone take a look?

107MarthaJeanne
Ago 17, 2020, 6:00 pm

108SaintSunniva
Ago 17, 2020, 6:46 pm

>107 MarthaJeanne:: Thanks so much!

109prosfilaes
Ago 23, 2020, 8:36 am

https://www.librarything.com/work/18548 Beyond This Horizon and https://www.librarything.com/work/1241902 18 Greatest Science Fiction Stories were apparently conflated; the first volume had CK for the second, including authors and canonical title. I edited it, but left parts in the CK and additional authors that seemed to be from the first book. Can someone familiar with Beyond This Horizon look at it and make sure I didn't leave any incorrect CK?

110bluepiano
Ago 29, 2020, 4:20 am

http://www.librarything.com/author/fabermichel

3 of his books were being confused: The Courage Consort, The 199 Steps + Courage Consort, and a collection of three stories including Courage Consort. I've separated obvious examples of latter two from the first but given the tags remaining on main page & given that reviewers seem to refer to a book called 'Courage Consort' when discussing the story collection I've a feeling I didn't get them all. As well I'm not sure that the two books with stories aren't already confused. Sorry to leave a job half-finished but not sure I can complete it accurately. I'm sure someone else could. Cheers.

111jasbro
Ago 30, 2020, 6:44 pm

>110 bluepiano: I think it's straight now. Please see what you think ...

112bluepiano
Sep 1, 2020, 8:41 am

I'm mightily impressed. And it must have taken a good while to sort that.

Added a couple disambig notices in hopes of your work not being undone. (Think apartmentcarpet, who reviewed The Courage Consort, owns the edition w. 3 novellas instead but no way of being sure of that from her/his libarary.)

114jasbro
Sep 1, 2020, 1:23 pm

115karenb
Editado: Sep 2, 2020, 2:59 pm

Some source has a one-T Mathew Carr.

https://www.librarything.com/work/24422678

Correct name (Matthew Carr) is already divided: (1)

https://www.librarything.com/work/25074044

Thanks.

116MarthaJeanne
Editado: Sep 2, 2020, 4:33 pm

Unsurprisingly, the source is Amazon. I have sent the correction.

I have also combined the authors and the books.

117karenb
Sep 3, 2020, 11:27 pm

>116 MarthaJeanne: Yay! Thanks.

119Taphophile13
Sep 8, 2020, 11:02 pm

120infjsarah
Sep 12, 2020, 6:18 am

Hi,

can anyone sort this one out re Arrow Season 5.
I added https://www.librarything.com/work/24671226/book/189393433 which is Season 5 but thinks it is season 8 and I don't know how to change that.

Then it should be combined with https://www.librarything.com/work/20412580

Thanks.

121cjbanning
Sep 12, 2020, 6:34 am

>120 infjsarah:

I've separated the rogue edition out of Season 8 and combined it into Season 5 where it belongs.

122I-_-I
Sep 20, 2020, 1:10 pm

If anyone's interested in a mini-project, someone seems to have combined 5+ distinct works from the SAGE Qualitative Research Kit series under one title: https://www.librarything.com/work/6306596/editions

123leselotte
Sep 21, 2020, 10:57 am

Something weird.

https://www.librarything.com/author/paulmaar/names

Actually, the main entry for this name should be, and has been for a long time, here: https://www.librarything.com/author/maarpaul

That page used to be split, with one title having a wrong author because of an Amazon error: https://www.librarything.com/work/17992254/

That one title is now not even separated from the others, but every single work is aliased into PAUL MAAR.

What's the best way to fix this? Thanks in advance!

124gabriel
Sep 21, 2020, 1:31 pm

>123 leselotte:

I forced the book with the error to the correct author - Paul Maar can now be a normal author page. Hopefully someone else can finish up the shift back to a single author.

125gabriel
Sep 21, 2020, 11:42 pm

Can anyone help??

The author mentioned at 123, Paul Maar, I've unassigned all the works (all hundred of them), but I still can't make him a single author. What's the problem? There's a bunch of information on the sub-author page, maybe that's it?

I've just reassigned one work to the Paul Maar (1) author so you can navigate to it - touchstones don't seem to work for divided authors?

126MarthaJeanne
Editado: Sep 22, 2020, 3:18 am

>125 gabriel: You are right. Saving as a single author is not working.

I've taken out all the CK, still not working.

127gabriel
Sep 22, 2020, 10:42 am

>126 MarthaJeanne:

There are series that stick to Paul Maar-1, maybe that's the problem? Anyway, maybe this is more a bug than a combiner's difficulty.

128infjsarah
Sep 25, 2020, 7:38 am

Can anyone sort this film series out? http://www.librarything.com/work/15494525/book/189933930
2nd film seems to have been merged with first one incorrectly. Thanks.

129MarthaJeanne
Editado: Sep 25, 2020, 8:48 am

>128 infjsarah:

https://www.librarything.com/work/15494525 has canonical title Maleficent 2014 film

https://www.librarything.com/work/24124381 has canonical title Maleficent: Mistress of Evil 2019 film

I have moved your copy to the 2019 version, but not done anything else. The autocombiner ignores anything after a colon, and you have entered Angelina Jolie as primary author, there is no ISBN. As far as the computer knows your copy matches the 2014 film as well as the 2019 one.

There are probably wrong copies still in the 2014 work. The 2019 work looks clean.

130infjsarah
Sep 25, 2020, 9:37 am

Thank you ☺️

131MarthaJeanne
Editado: Oct 7, 2020, 10:39 am

I've just separated Delia Smith's Book of Cakes (1977) and Delia's Cakes (2013). I have compared my copy of the first with the table of contents of the second (Amazon). There is overlap, but they are not the same book. See the descriptions of the new one. I need to check in a few days that the covers sort themselves out correctly.

(I also need to order the newer one.)

132r.orrison
Oct 7, 2020, 10:41 am

>131 MarthaJeanne: I need to check in a few days that the covers sort themselves out correctly.

Recalculate Cover seems to have done a good job.

133MarthaJeanne
Oct 7, 2020, 10:53 am

>132 r.orrison: There's still a wrong one on Book of Cakes.

134r.orrison
Oct 7, 2020, 3:06 pm

I didn't say perfect :-) but I suspect that it's not going to go away. It's coming from Amazon, and it's probably wrong there. I've flagged it. (which probably won't help, but it all we can do)

135MarthaJeanne
Editado: Oct 8, 2020, 3:21 am

>134 r.orrison: I found a block of books listed Delias' Book of Cakes, and moved them. This got rid of that cover. I also put the correction in to Amazon.

Note: Amazon.co.uk was correct, which is what I had looked at. The mistake was on Amazon.com.

136parlerodermime
Oct 13, 2020, 9:06 pm

I was working over at Eliezer Yudkowsky's page, sorting out the Harry Potter and the Methods of Rationality Book #1 editions that were mistakenly part of the full Harry Potter and the Methods of Rationality and merging it with his name for book 1 (there are six parts when published in sections), "Harry James Potter-Evans-Verres and the Methods of Rationality."

Somehow, I managed to leave stranded
https://www.librarything.com/work/23575843 (with zero copies) and am unable to combine it with https://www.librarything.com/work/25550967

They both show up in my workbench, but when I try to combine them, the version with zero copies isn't showing up, and so I end up with the "You must select at least two works to combine them" error message. They're both in my workbench, so I don't understand why clicking the "combine works" from the workbench isn't resulting in something I can merge....

Can anyone get it done?

137jasbro
Oct 13, 2020, 9:12 pm

>136 parlerodermime: Done. Like magic ... :)

138parlerodermime
Oct 13, 2020, 9:25 pm

>137 jasbro: Thank you! Was driving me crazy.

139Schmerguls
Oct 16, 2020, 9:15 am

Jan R. Van Meter is the author of Tippecanoe and Tyler Too, which I read on 25 May 2009. I entered the book in LibraryThing but when I enter the author's name I am told he has not a book on LibraryThing. This puzzles me. Can anybody explain why this is?

140GracieHarding
Oct 16, 2020, 9:35 am

Este usuario ha sido eliminado por spam.

141SandraArdnas
Oct 16, 2020, 10:56 am

>139 Schmerguls: I'm not seeing the problem. Either someone has done some combining already, or I'm not sure what you mean. The author page that you linked shows one work with 35 members who catalogued it. Site search for the author brings results. Something else entirely? Is it OK now?

142Schmerguls
Oct 16, 2020, 12:17 pm

Thank you, SandraArdnas. Right after I posted no. 139 I clicked on Jan R. Van Meter and it showed he had no book in LibraryThing. Now, I agree that is no longer true. So, as you say somebody must have remedied that, I do thank you for seeking to help.

143Schmerguls
Oct 22, 2020, 4:03 pm

I don't know who, if anyone, can help me with an issue I have but I figure I will ask here since this site has lots of smart folk.

On my site it says: 5,682 reviews | 5,681 ratings |

This tells me that I have rated all but one of the books I have listed. I wonder if there is some way to find the book I have not rated so I could rate it. (I have read every book I list on my site.) I know I could go through my books one by one till I find the unrated book but that is a formidable task which I would like to avoid if I could. Is there some simple way to find that unnated book, or someone I should ask as to that?

144gabriel
Editado: Oct 22, 2020, 4:10 pm

>143 Schmerguls: Add "rating" to one of your display options using "Settings" in "Your Books", then sort your books by rating.

145gabriel
Oct 22, 2020, 4:25 pm

Heidi has a couple general editions

This edition: https://www.librarything.com/work/24121770/editions/172129597
seems to be indistinguishable from the main edition:
https://www.librarything.com/work/4875/editions/172532185

But, of course, it's too many copies for little ol' me to combine.

146Schmerguls
Oct 22, 2020, 5:09 pm

144 Gabriel

Thanks, but I don't know how to do what you say. sorry to be so dumb

147amanda4242
Editado: Oct 22, 2020, 5:17 pm

>146 Schmerguls: https://wiki.librarything.com/index.php/HelpThing:Your_books/Style explains how to add ratings to your display options. Once ratings are displayed, click on the word "Rating" in your catalog twice to sort your books with unrated/lowest rated books first.

148gabriel
Oct 22, 2020, 7:49 pm

>146 Schmerguls:

I hope the wiki Amanda linked to clarified things?

149gabriel
Oct 22, 2020, 9:16 pm

>146 Schmerguls:

Actually, you already have rating in one of your display options. You have three unrated books:

Aircraft Carrier by J. Bryan III, Everything But Money by Sam Levenson and My Mortal Enemy by Willa Cather

150Schmerguls
Oct 23, 2020, 12:20 pm

149 gabriel

I am so grateful to you and Amanda4242.for your help. I have now cured the lack of ratings set out in your post. I admit that i did not try to find the unrated books using what Amanda4242 told me since your post identified them for me

151jasbro
Oct 26, 2020, 6:40 pm

>145 gabriel: I'm reluctant to combine these because it appears one - https://www.librarything.com/work/24121770 - consists of adaptations, and the other - https://www.librarything.com/work/4875 - includes disambiguation notices that it's the complete, unabridged work. We might better add such a notice to the former. I'd attempt it, but haven't (yet) explored what other variants of the work may appear on LibraryThing. Can you help or advise?

152gabriel
Oct 27, 2020, 3:25 am

>151 jasbro:

The first work contains just one edition: Heidi, by Johanna Spyri. No distinguishing information, no ISBN. I'm sure some of the individual copies are adaptations, but it's equally clear many are the full story.

If we leave it uncombined, we are essentially saying that wherever an edition contains incorrect or improperly specified copies, it shouldn't be combined with the main edition. That doesn't make any sense to me, and there are no doubt many classic children's stories with this problem.

153amanda4242
Oct 27, 2020, 12:52 pm

>152 gabriel: we are essentially saying that wherever an edition contains incorrect or improperly specified copies, it shouldn't be combined with the main edition

That is exactly what we are saying should be done when the incorrect editions cannot be identified and separated. When such cases occur use the canonical title field to add "unidentified edition" or something similar and stick a disambiguation notice on the work asking people to add information to their copy so it can be properly combined.

154MarthaJeanne
Editado: Oct 27, 2020, 6:16 pm

When there are several similar works, most with many copies, in order to keep the different works separate, it is often necessary to have a 'Can't tell which work this belongs in' work.

Some of the covers are of adaptations. Others are probably the English translation of the first two German books. Others might be translations into another language of one or both of them.

Part of the problem is that most of these books are pre-ISBN, making it hard to distinguish them.

155jasbro
Editado: Oct 27, 2020, 7:39 pm

>152 gabriel: I agree with your (and amanda4242's and MarthaJeanne's) assessment generally, except that it doesn't make sense - that only because I've seen it before, I expect to see it again, and have only occasionally been able to contribute much toward remedying the problem. And a really BIG part of the problem is how to distinguish among editions when you only have one book to reference, e.g. Wilhelm Ruland's Legends of the Rhine.

For example, with apparent adaptations now removed (is that your handiwork?), what's currently left at https://www.librarything.com/work/24121770 is 936 members' records that really are indistinguishable - including one of our own. We have two copies of Heidi, both predating ISBNs, at least one of which I though was Dad's as a boy (which would makes it roughly mid-1930s); but I also have a price associated with each, which makes that association less likely:
  • One is a J.B. Lippincott edition translated by Elisabeth P. Stork, introduction by Charles Wharton Stork, illustrated by Maria L. Kirk, apparently copyright 1915, currently combined at https://www.librarything.com/work/24121770).
  • The other is a Saalfield edition translated (I think?) by George Lawson, with no publication or copyright date (Library of Congress suggests 1933), currently combined at https://www.librarything.com/work/4875, but I suspect that's wrong.
Without digging out both copies to compare, which I haven't done since adding them to LibraryThing (mea culpa!), I can't tell whether they're even the same storyline, or if one is "more" complete and unabridged. I just know they're both old.

You're absolutely on point that "there are no doubt many classic children's stories with this problem." Check Gulliver's Travels; it was Dad's copy that I read for an English class in high school, but I was clueless that it was abridged - until I got to the part of the test about a fourth voyage. It's not just children's stories either; try Gargantua and Pantagruel, Fables of La Fontaine, or Don Quixote.

I'm pretty much satisfied (or resigned) to doing what I can, understanding the rest will ultimately fall where it lands. Still, I appreciate your and others' efforts, and I'm glad to help if I can. I may even dig out our two Heidis now, to see what more I can find out about them. Maybe it's time to move one copy on!

(Edited to fix touchstones that didn't load - no such luck.)

156gabriel
Oct 28, 2020, 1:18 am

>153 amanda4242:
>154 MarthaJeanne:

I see the rationale for a "don't-know-what-work-this-is-work" if most members were regularly checking their collections to figure out anomalies, or if there was something for other combiners to work on. But these 936 copies are going to be pretty static, and there isn't anything to work on for others to try and sort out.

I am worried that this would make the perfect the enemy of the good. Judging from the covers, the vast majority are the complete edition; and the straightforward interpretation of "Heidi by Johanna Spyri" is also the complete edition. There will still be a disambiguation notice for users with misplaced abridgements to see, but at least most of the problem will be sorted out.

Also, wouldn't this work the other direction too? Should we be separating out bare author/title editions simply because we can see or suspect that there are a few stray abridgements or adaptations hanging out in the real work?

>155 jasbro:

Thanks for your thoughtful notes on the problem.

I don't know who sorted out the various abridgements - I can't claim credit. If I had tonnes of time, I might try to see if I could snag stray editions by ISBN and move them to the correct abridgement, but that's not an option for the bare title/author work.

As it happens, I also have a copy of the bare title/author work - mine is a Puffin Classics edition from before the ISBN era

157aspirit
Oct 30, 2020, 4:54 pm

Please Fix These Authors!

I don't have much experience with author splits. How to make assignments is fairly obvious, but I don't know the best ways to external links for all authors for a split showing up on one author page. Copy, paste, then delete? My concern in this case is that the author numbering doesn't look good, and I wonder if that should be addressed first. Where does author info when/if the numbers (1, 2, 3) in the split are changed?

https://www.librarything.com/author/wagnersarah
with the external links at https://www.librarything.com/author/wagnersarah-1

158gabriel
Oct 30, 2020, 6:11 pm

>157 aspirit:

Ordinarily, I'd say you could change the numbering to something that makes more sense, then put all the external links where they ought to go...

... but Sarah Wagner (3) is a Librarything Author, and I'd be worried you'd lose that attribution (or have it end up on the wrong division) if you changed it. The best thing might just be to put up a disambiguation notice if you're concerned about others changing the author numbering.

159aspirit
Oct 30, 2020, 9:05 pm

>158 gabriel: the LibraryThing Author designation was floating earlier today, until I assigned it, so that part doesn't make me hesitate. I'm sure it can be reassigned again.

Okay. I can do this....

160gabriel
Oct 30, 2020, 9:33 pm

>159 aspirit:

If you know about how those designations work, you're further ahead than me! (Which really shouldn't be a surprise!)

I don't see any reason for you not to reorganise, then. Good luck!

161EllaTim
Nov 1, 2020, 7:52 am

I found a book record that is the result of wrongly combining two books:
https://www.librarything.com/work/18006344

I've tried looking up what to do about it, but as I don't understand the help I am afraid of messing it up.

There should be two separate books by this author, 1 Wij and 2 Wil (Dutch titles)
The second book has been translated into English as Will
There are also translations into German and maybe more languages.
The description on the books page is for the first book, the reviews for the second, the covers are mixed as well.

Could someone handle this?

162FAMeulstee
Nov 1, 2020, 8:21 am

>161 EllaTim: I think I got them all sorted out, the German title looks to be a translation of Wil.

163EllaTim
Nov 1, 2020, 9:02 am

>162 FAMeulstee: Thank you Anita! Paul mentioned the book on his thread, and it looks worth a read. I'll be looking for it.

164I-_-I
Editado: Nov 6, 2020, 11:30 am

Looks like this work incorrectly combines a film and its screenplay: Under Milk Wood
Thanks in advance to anyone who takes this on :)

165gabriel
Nov 6, 2020, 1:22 pm

>164 I-_-I:

Done. Found a copy of the screenplay in the main work too.

166shadrach_anki
Nov 6, 2020, 5:08 pm

Ellie Ferguson: https://www.librarything.com/author/fergusonellie is a pen name of Amanda S. Green: https://www.librarything.com/author/greenamandas but I am not sure how to combine the two authors so that the pen name doesn't take over. Could I get some help on this one?

167gabriel
Nov 6, 2020, 5:20 pm

>166 shadrach_anki:

You can add a canonical name in the common knowledge... but if she is best known as Ellie Ferguson, you probably shouldn't; Agatha Christie is Agatha Christie on LT, not whatever her real name was. Although, if she uses both names, then I don't think anyone is likely to quarrel with you whatever you do.

You can (and should) add Amanda S. Green as the legal name.

168shadrach_anki
Nov 6, 2020, 5:49 pm

>167 gabriel: She writes under both names and also as Sam Schall (for science fiction). I will say that all of the promotion work I have seen her do has been as Amanda S. Green, not as either of her pen names.

I have very little experience with doing author combinations, which is why I asked for help.

169gabriel
Nov 6, 2020, 6:01 pm

>168 shadrach_anki:

Okay, I did the combination. If you want to change the canonical name in the common knowledge, I'll leave it up to you.

170shadrach_anki
Nov 6, 2020, 6:18 pm

>169 gabriel:

Somehow, I have a feeling changing the canonical name isn't going to stick.... Another question, the three series that were showing on the Amanda S. Green page do not show up now that the author pages are combined. Is that just a caching issue, or are they going to be buried several layers deep for all time? Any idea?

171gabriel
Nov 6, 2020, 7:42 pm

>170 shadrach_anki:

I would imagine the series will show up eventually, but I don't know the system well enough to be certain.

You could put in a disambiguation notice explaining the pen names, that might help the canonical name stick... but I think it would stick regardless.

172humouress
Editado: Nov 13, 2020, 11:15 pm

Question: When I type in a touchstone for Lady Susan it gives me this book https://www.librarything.com/work/45705 which is a combination of 'Lady Susan/ The Watsons/ Sanditon' whereas I actually want Lady Susan https://www.librarything.com/work/700243 by itself.

Is this because they have been combined rather than related and shouldn't they be uncombined?

173amanda4242
Nov 13, 2020, 11:40 pm

>172 humouress: No, everything is where it's supposed to be. Lady Susan, The Watsons, Sanditon has more copies so it's the first suggested touchstone; just click on "others" to select the correct work.

174MarthaJeanne
Nov 14, 2020, 4:23 am

Lady Susan It's the second work in the list.

175humouress
Nov 14, 2020, 8:36 pm

176Bettesbooks
Editado: Nov 15, 2020, 2:49 am

Hi, can someone help me with this:

https://www.librarything.com/work/16638417/reviews
this work has been gathered into a group title author unknown. After reading the review it seemed to me that one work was Skin Deep by D. P. Denman another Fae 3 by s.w. vaughn

Looking at the editions I saw that there were two grouping of editions: Skin Deep (12 copies separate);Skin deep (no current copies separate)

I was guessing that the work since it had a review would be in the group of 12

When I tried to separate, I botched it up –
I can’t identify the 12 group, the only one that separated was a 0 member work and I can’t see the 12 group now. the reviews didn’t transfer – maybe that won’t happen until the next time LT updates, and I am not sure of that timing.

I don’t know where to go from here. What should I do now?

ETA
I found the 12 group just now 9:53pm(pst)
https://www.librarything.com/work/25691767 the reviews are attached.

177amhv
Nov 16, 2020, 4:17 pm

Hi,

It has been a while since I have done any combining. I believe these two books are different editions of the same book.

UK - The Man Between (2019)
USA - The Moroccan Girl (2020)

https://www.librarything.com/work/21918093
https://www.librarything.com/work/22079801

Since neither is listed as a possible combination I don't know how to combine them.

Help is appreciated.

178MarthaJeanne
Editado: Nov 16, 2020, 4:25 pm

>177 amhv: You can combine from the author page or using the workbench (lower right on the work pages).

179amanda4242
Nov 16, 2020, 4:29 pm

>177 amhv: Done. If you'd like a refresher on combining, the recently updated book combining help page explains how to combine via author pages and the workbench.

https://wiki.librarything.com/index.php/Book_combining

180amhv
Nov 16, 2020, 5:03 pm

>178 MarthaJeanne:
>179 amanda4242:

Thanks to both of you for pointing out where to combine books in this category and where to find help. I am hoping to finally have time to work on my library.

Also thanks amanda4242 for doing the combining.

181Talvitar
Nov 18, 2020, 3:27 am

This is about an author so please advice where to ask about this if this is not the correct group.
So there's this author Patricia G. Bertényi who's written two novels.
Salaisuuksien galleria
and
Varjojen saari.
However, if you follow the touchstone above, the author page basically shows nothing at all.
If I click on author's name on either of those books, this it what it goes to: https://fi.librarything.com/author/bertnyipatriciag
There's only "Varjojen saari" listed.
What's wrong?

182AnnieMod
Nov 18, 2020, 3:38 am

>181 Talvitar:

LT has problems with characters with accents so even if the two of them looked the same on the screen, they were actually different (eacute in one case, skipping the accented character completely in the other). Combined now: https://www.librarything.com/author/bertnyipatriciag and the two novels show up on the same page. :)

183Talvitar
Nov 18, 2020, 5:35 am

>182 AnnieMod:
Oh, thank you so much for clarifying this for me! (and combining the author(s)). I didn't even think about the accents being a problem -- not that I'd've known what to do with the information, but still :D

184I-_-I
Dic 1, 2020, 2:32 pm

The page for Matt Baker has works by at least one person other than the comic book artist / illustrator. I don't have the wherewithal to disentangle the works and transfer the CK right now so i thought i'd just point it out in case someone wants to have at it. :)

185I-_-I
Editado: Dic 1, 2020, 2:44 pm

Oh, along those lines but way worse: the page for author / playwright Michel Tremblay contains one work that isn't his: Comment cultiver la violette Africaine. I've only taken a cursory look so there may be more... i'd actually be a bit surprised if there weren't since that's a very common name. (Fun fact: Tremblay is the most common surname in Québec.)

*edited for clarity*

186MarthaJeanne
Editado: Dic 1, 2020, 3:03 pm

Matt Baker

Michel Tremblay

I changed the other author information on Lysistrata from main author, all editions to secondary author, some editions. If Tremblay is really an Adaptor, those copies should be separated into a different work, but I don't see that as being feasible.

187I-_-I
Dic 1, 2020, 3:07 pm

Thanks - not sure why my touchstones didn't work.

188MarthaJeanne
Dic 1, 2020, 4:13 pm

Someone who knows the work of the comic artist should go into Matt Baker. I can be very sure that at least 4 other authors are on that page - for one thing, several books were written decades after Matt Baker 1 died. I have not been very successful at finding data about the various Matt Bakers.

189Bettesbooks
Dic 1, 2020, 6:42 pm

Ruth Barrett author https://www.librarything.com/author/barrettruth/names

need help in assigning books to up to 3 separate authors

Ruth Barrett – listed as main author born los angeles
Women's Rites, Women's Mysteries: Intuitive Ritual Creation 62 copies
Female Erasure: What You Need To Know About Gender Politics War On Women,… 30 copies

Unassigned to an author … these belong to main author
MUSIC OF THE ROLLING WORLD 3 copies
The Year Is a Dancing Woman, Vol. 1 3 copies
Year Is a Dancing Woman 2 2 copies
Invocation to free women 2 copies
The year is a dancing woman. Volume two, Midsummer through Hallowmass 1 copy
Aeolus 1 copy

Unassigned to an author
Base Spirits 17 copies
By Ruth Barrett born in Pointe Claire, Quebec, Canada

Unassigned to an author only info I found was it may be a resource guide
Child's Play 1 copy
Child's play resource guide
by Ruth Barrett; Peace Museum (Chicago, Ill.);

190Collectorator
Dic 1, 2020, 6:52 pm

Este miembro ha sido suspendido del sitio.

191Bettesbooks
Editado: Dic 8, 2020, 11:16 pm

Should I combine these two authors names?
Ruby Vines
Alisha Paige
See website: www.alishapaige.com

How do I do this?

bump

192Bettesbooks
Editado: Dic 2, 2020, 7:44 pm

deleted by author

193Bettesbooks
Dic 3, 2020, 8:42 pm

Hi, went to combine

Went to combine
A Rage for Revenge by David Gerrold
A Rage For Revenge (War Against the Chtorr, Book 3) / David Gerrold (this is one of the editions currently included)
with
Il giorno della vendetta - parte prima (The War Against the Chtorr #3) by David Gerrold (1 copy; go to work)
Il giorno della vendetta - parte prima (The War Against the Chtorr #3) / Silvia Lalia (separate)

Rec’d message below (not sure of reason: could be Silvia Lalia?) but I don’t understand the problem, or even how to address
 A Rage for Revenge by David Gerrold — 399 copies
Work-relationship issue: Contains — Il giorno della vendetta - parte prima (The War Against the Chtorr #3) by David Gerrold
Belongs to Series The War Against the Chtorr (3)
 Il giorno della vendetta - parte prima (The War Against the Chtorr #3) by David Gerrold — 1 copy

Can someone look at and see if this should be combined?

194AnnieMod
Editado: Dic 3, 2020, 9:32 pm

>193 Bettesbooks:

"Il giorno della vendetta - parte prima" is just the FIRST part of A Rage for Revenge by David Gerrold so they should not be combined. This is also what the message is saying "Il giorno della vendetta - parte prima" is part of "A Rage for Revenge", not the complete novel.

You can combine any titles of A Rage for Revenge andany sepatte "Il giorno della vendetta - parte prima" (although I am seeing only one) but do not combine the part into the whole.

195Bettesbooks
Dic 4, 2020, 1:37 am

>194 AnnieMod: thanks that is what I wanted to know

196I-_-I
Editado: Dic 8, 2020, 12:02 pm

I can't tell whether Pastor Hsi is a mistaken combination of 3 different works, or whether the separate works by Mary Geraldine Guinness about this Pastor Hsi are just alternative titles of a single work. This is a puzzle i'd normally tackle myself, but lacking time, i thought i'd drop it here.

197I-_-I
Dic 8, 2020, 12:04 pm

This leads me to believe there are at least two works mistakenly combined under Pastor Hsi: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xi_Shengmo#Bibliography

198Bettesbooks
Editado: Dic 9, 2020, 12:48 am

Please combine these two authors names?
Ruby Vines
Alisha Paige
See website: www.alishapaige.com

199Bettesbooks
Dic 9, 2020, 12:46 am

I have assigned books to these three authors to the best of my ability. I made NO disambiguation note.

Ruth Barrett author https://www.librarything.com/author/barrettruth/names

Assigned to Ruth Barrett (1)
Ruth Barrett – listed as main author born los angeles, she is vocalist and feminist author
Women's Rites, Women's Mysteries: Intuitive Ritual Creation 62 copies
Female Erasure: What You Need To Know About Gender Politics War On Women,… 30 copies
MUSIC OF THE ROLLING WORLD 3 copies
The Year Is a Dancing Woman, Vol. 1 3 copies
Year Is a Dancing Woman 2 2 copies
Invocation to free women 2 copies
The year is a dancing woman. Volume two, Midsummer through Hallowmass 1 copy
Aeolus 1 copy

Assigned to Ruth Barrett (2)
Base Spirits 17 copies
By Ruth Barrett born in Pointe Claire, Quebec, Canada

Assigned to Ruth Barrett (3)
an author only info I found was it may be a resource guide
Child's Play 1 copy
Child's play resource guide
by Ruth Barrett; Peace Museum (Chicago, Ill.);

200haydninvienna
Dic 10, 2020, 2:37 pm

Could somebody lease combine this: https://www.librarything.com/work/25794881/edit/193376010 (which I have just added to my library) with this: https://www.librarything.com/work/130764? There's also this: https://www.librarything.com/work/21742617, which is undoubtedly the same book.

201AnnieMod
Dic 10, 2020, 2:41 pm

202Bettesbooks
Dic 10, 2020, 5:02 pm

Could someone please separate these two from Lord of the Flies https://www.librarything.com/work/2475502/editions

Lord of the Flies: Novel-Ties Study Guide/Golding, William/ISBN 0881220264

Novel Ideas Classic: Lord of the Flies: William Golding/ISBN 0940146215
“Teachers resource book”, 56 pages

Plus, there is disambiguaiton notice that is weird?!

203AnnieMod
Dic 10, 2020, 5:13 pm

>202 Bettesbooks: someone combined and ignored the warning...

All sorted. There are a few more 0940146215 in the main work but the title is clean and in such cases we go by title so I will leave them in.

New works with new Disambig notes:
https://www.librarything.com/work/25795566
https://www.librarything.com/work/25795563

Hopefully this time they won't get recombined.

204MarthaJeanne
Dic 10, 2020, 5:23 pm

>203 AnnieMod: I added work-to-work relationships. Those have to be removed before combining.

205SandraArdnas
Editado: Dic 10, 2020, 5:30 pm

>202 Bettesbooks: I think someone cleaned it up before I came along. The first was no longer combined, while for the second I found two other books with that ISBN, separated them and recombined with appropriate work.

Disambiguation obviously belong to some other work

Edit: Others wouldn't separate the other two ISBNs? It's the same title and ISBN, minus the series info at the beginning

206AnnieMod
Dic 10, 2020, 5:29 pm

>205 SandraArdnas:

Please don't combine/separate based on ISBNs only when the titles of the books are not really identical - it is very possible that the users cleaned the titles for these two after adding the wrong book from the sources (and possibly never thought to fix the ISBN) - that's why I left them in the main work...

>204 MarthaJeanne:

Thanks. I knew I was forgetting something :)

207SandraArdnas
Editado: Dic 10, 2020, 5:33 pm

>206 AnnieMod: Isn't it more likely in this case they just choose not to include the series in the title? Leaving them there would just get new additions autocombined in there

208AnnieMod
Editado: Dic 10, 2020, 5:43 pm

>207 SandraArdnas:
When not sure, we go by title, not by ISBN :) It is more likely for a user to have cleaned their title and left the ISBN in place (not directly visible on most Styles). So these 2 are more likely to be the novel and not the teacher's guide IMO.

Amazon has the series in its title; Overcat does not have the title at all; individual libraries won't have just the novel as a title. So it won't match and cause further issues downstream.

Leave it any way you want but I don't think these two belong to the smaller work.

209SandraArdnas
Dic 10, 2020, 6:33 pm

>208 AnnieMod: https://www.worldcat.org/title/lord-of-the-flies-by-william-golding/oclc/4564324...

I left them combined, but if others disagree, separate and recombine, but it's asking for new ones to be wrongly auto.combined. I understand the reasoning 'go by title', I just don't think it applies in this case for the reasons stated above.

Let me add that I completely don't understand why student guides and such predominantly seem to come with author being the author of the work it is about, when in reality they haven't written a word for that particular book. I've seen countless sparknotes, coles notes, cliffnotes, you name it, written by Joseph Conrad, William Faulkner or F. Scott Fitzgerald.

210jasbro
Editado: Dic 10, 2020, 8:22 pm

With that, this thread is CLOSED. Please continue our discussions at Combining/Separating (Please Fix This Book!) Request Thread #83 -- http://www.librarything.com/topic/327130. Thank you!

P.S.: If you see something we missed, please let us know ...

211JMK2020
Ene 13, 2021, 1:08 pm

>189 Bettesbooks:
Add face's picture, some data (but CK fields are to completed), links and combine (cf 190)

so 4 Ruth
BARRETT
https://www.librarything.com/author/barrettruth

Disambiguation notice could be completed with dates of birth (research remains to be done)

212JMK2020
Ene 13, 2021, 2:23 pm

>186 MarthaJeanne:

Strange, on november 30-2020, I separated Michel Tremblay between the the botanist and the other author....
No trace of these action in Common KnowledgeOverviewHistory ...
Isn't it a pb due to recent combination ?

I have already observed that the combinations and separations of authors sometimes had consequences on CKs, HTTP links and even photos that disappeared.

it's really a troublesome problem, especially since sometimes you have to look for a good time to put some order between various homonyms and their bibliography

I will repair "Michel Tremblay"

213jade_kadir
Editado: Jul 28, 2022, 5:35 pm

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