Question about "Selections from Paroles"

Greetings! I just found myself a copy of Selections from Paroles by Jacques Prevert. It is very clearly Number Nine of the City Lights Pocket Poets Series. However, when I entered the book in my LT library, the book did not show up as part of that series. In fact, there is a disambiguation notice: "Do not combine with City Lights Pocket Poet selection." This in spite of the fact that my slim volume is very clearly an entry in that series (see touchstone).

When one actually goes to that series listing, and clicks on the entry for Number Nine, one finds this:
Paroles: Selected Poems (City Lights Pocket Poets Series) (French Edition)
https://www.librarything.com/work/22608361

So, I think there's been a snafu somewhere along the line!

Hey! Stuff happens. Is there an action I can take, or that somebody else would like to take, to clear this up?

Thanks!

This is commonly about whether or not various 'Selections' are the same work. If there are different selections they shouldn't be. Since there are many copies without ISBN it is difficult to impossible to keep them sorted.

The other question is whether this should be a series or a publishers series. Are all the books in the series specific to that publisher and series or not?

>2 MarthaJeanne: "Are all the books in the series specific to that publisher and series or not?"

They are. It is the City Lights Pocket Poets Series, all published by City Lights Books.
https://www.librarything.com/series/City+Lights+Pocket+Poets+Series

Just because the books have all been published by that publisher does not mean that they haven't also been published by other publishers. They should be an LT series if and only if the publisher has a monopoly. As several publishers series are related to that series, it would seem doubtful that it should really be an LT series.

Your easiest solution is to separate your copy from the work it is in, and combine it into the one in the series listing, as that work seems fairly clean. To do this you will have to change your title so it can be recognized in the editions list.

>4 MarthaJeanne: Do I understand you to mean that the City Lights Pocket Poets Series (https://www.librarything.com/series/City+Lights+Pocket+Poets+Series) should not, in fact, be included in LT as a series? It's a fairly iconic set of books, published as it is by Lawrence Ferlinghetti's City Lights Bookstore in San Francisco, whether or not it technically fits the LT definition of "series."

Given that the series does exist on LT, unless you are advocating removing it as such, my question is how to remove the edition of the book that is currently listed as being part of the series but clearly isn't with the edition that clearly is part of the series. I'm also wondering why the correct edition has a disambiguation notice warning LT members not to include it as part of the series that it obviously is part of.

From poking into the two different books with the similar title, it looks like the writer of the disambiguation notice has separated the City Lights series book from the Penguin Modern Poets series. They based it on ISBN, even IF they didn't list all this detail in the notice as they are requested to do.

If you know without a doubt yours belongs in the City Lights series, you want to edit the title of your book to make it stand out from the others in the work. Then you can separate it from the wrong work and combine it into the proper work.

As for the series, it is being suggested that it can stay on Librarything, just under a different heading. If the same book has been published by different companies, but has the same content, it would be considered a publisher series here.

>6 gilroy: "If you know without a doubt yours belongs in the City Lights series, you want to edit the title of your book to make it stand out from the others in the work. Then you can separate it from the wrong work and combine it into the proper work."

Yes, I know this without a doubt because I am looking at the book and it clearly says:

The Pocket Poets Series: Number 9
City Lights Books
San Francisco

on the title page. Also on the front and back covers. :)

I don't want to edit the title of my book. I want it to have its correct title on my listing, which would be what I see on its title page: "Selections from Paroles." (https://www.librarything.com/work/5909817) But before I realized that the series itself was a renegade (see my comment below), I thought that the folks who cared about such matters would like to know that the work included as Number Nine of this series is not the correct edition, and that there was a clearly misplaced disambiguation notice on the proper addition.

Anyway, I have solved the problem to my own satisfaction at this point by ignoring the disambiguation notice and simply adding "City Lights Pocket Poets Series (book 9)" into the Series field on the Common Knowledge page of my own copy.

"If the same book has been published by different companies, but has the same content, it would be considered a publisher series here."

Ah, OK. Got it. If somebody wants to change the existing City Lights Pocket Poets Series from a "series" to a "publishers series," that would certainly make sense to me. Or if someone wants to explain to me how to do that, I will put my shoulder to the wheel and try to do it myself. Again, the link to the series is here: https://www.librarything.com/series/City+Lights+Pocket+Poets+Series

I've taken it out again because that work is for copies of the Penguin Modern Poets edition. Copies of City Lights Pocket Poets do not belong there. If you want your copy to be in the work for the Pocket Poet series, you need to move it, and that can only be done it you can find your copy on the editions page. Changing your title back after separating and recombining is usually fine.

>8 MarthaJeanne: You're saying that this series: https://www.librarything.com/series/City+Lights+Pocket+Poets+Series is for Penguin Modern Poets editions? Why does it say "City Lights Pocket Poets Series"?

OK. Let me try again and see if I get what you're telling me.

I own this book: https://www.librarything.com/work/5909817/book/172870842

It clearly says this on the title page:

The Pocket Poets Series: Number 9
City Lights Books
San Francisco

That information is also included on the front and back covers.

And I want it to be included in this series:
https://www.librarything.com/series/City+Lights+Pocket+Poets+Series

Therefore, in the Common Knowledge page on my copy, I included "City Lights Pocket Poets Series," but I have clearly transgressed in some manner thereby.

So I think what you're saying is that the original listing on LT of a book called Selections from Paroles by Jacques Prevert was included in the Penguin series, and so now all books added with that exact title will go immediately to that series.

OK. So I have changed the title of my book to Selections from Paroles (The Pocket Poets Series: Number 9), which is one of the titles listed under "Copies and editions of this title" on the Editions page of Paroles: Selected Poems (City Lights Pocket Poets Series) (French Edition) which is the edition currently listed on the series page.

So that makes my book kosher for this series, yes? And then I can go back and change my book's title to its actual title. Am I finally getting it?

Your copy has been moved to https://www.librarything.com/work/22608361/summary/172870842 which is the right work for your copy.

(Someone has done the separating and recombining. Changing the title does not automatically move a book from one work to another. It just means that the copy can be found to be moved.)

Yes, you can remove the extra bits from your title, and it should stay where it is.

>11 MarthaJeanne: OK, thanks.

Just fyi, I added the work originally by doing the standard search in the Add books search field using Overcat, and then selection one of the editions that clearly included City Lights Books. Hence my confusion when despite everything I had tried to do correctly along those lines, I saw a disambiguation notice telling me not to include the work in the City Lights series. Well, I'm still confused about all that occurred here, but that's my basic default mode anyway, so I will muddle through the rest of my day somehow.

Auto combine does not look at information other than Title, Author, and ISBN. It found a match and stopped looking. Newer books tend to be easier because of ISBN, but sometimes people add the wrong one and change some of the information, but not the ISBN. If you see work information that does not agree with your book, it's a sign that something is not quite right. It is usually easier to find the mistake right away before several other mistakes are added into the mix.

Here's another book with a problem.
https://www.librarything.com/work/15933/147908164

This book is both Lord Jim and Heart of Darkness! but it is in the work for Lord Jim.

Found it! There don't seem to be other works with these two titles included, so it is now its own work: https://www.librarything.com/work/23660818

I put the English titles in Canonical title and added work to work relationships.

Note to other combiners. There are several other editions in Lord Jim that need to be separated for various reasons. I'm out of time tonight.

Not that it will really disturb my sleep, but as an fyi I note that when I go to the Series page in question, while I do see the Books in Your Library check mark next to the two other Pocket Poets Series book I own, I still do not see one for the Prevert book (#9). I guess that's because the "/summary/172870842" part was added to my book's listing. Do I have that right? Again, no big whoop on my end, but just wondering for future reference.

>15 rocketjk: Just means the caches haven't caught up to mark it, probably...

>16 gilroy: Ah, thanks. Too late though. I found a bunch of other discrepancies and got frustrated and just deleted the book from my library. I'm going to try to add it again and figure out how to ease it into the correct spot.

OK, for anyone still interested, it took me a while, but I finally think I've tracked down what happened. It seems that, originally, I was in error (there's a shock) in that the current entry in the City Lights Pocket Poets series #9 that I took to be wrong really wasn't. It looks like what happened was that City Lights has published this book twice.

First of all, in 1958, was this edition, with no ISBN, which is the edition I own:


Then, sometime later, came a new edition, which seems to be bilingual, and has an ISBN number. This is the edition included on the series page:


I suppose the City Lights series (or publisher series) should reflect these two different editions somehow. Anyway, what I did was click on the link for the new edition from the series page, wherein I found the Canonical name for that edition. Then I did a search for that in Add Books, whereby I was brought to the City Lights version/with the proper work number. After that I edited the title and other info. So far so good. One thing I can't seem to do was to change the cover jpg or to erase the ISBN without being switched back automatically to the Penguin Modern European Poets appellation.

I was also in error in not realizing that it would take a while for the site to register the change that MarthaJeanne had made on my behalf and so just waited until tomorrow. Instead just I deleted that book from my collection and started over, as I've mentioned above. So, apologies, MarthaJeanne, for wasting your time, there.

Anyway, this was a whole lot of time wasted on my end over a piece of trivia. But is was kind of interesting to puzzle things out.