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Are we living through a F 451-type scenario?

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1PZR
Jul 29, 2018, 1:06pm

I was just wondering if something awfully dystopian had happened to the members of this group, preventing them from reading and posting in a 'Fahrenheit 451'-type scenario?
Meanwhile, in case there's anyone left alive, here are a few of my favourites:
Metropole
The Unconsoled
Men of Stones

2stellarexplorer
Jul 29, 2018, 2:03pm

I am the only one left that I know of. I thank you for those suggestions. I will try to read them before I hear the knock upon the door!

3PZR
Jul 29, 2018, 4:22pm

Ha ha. Don't answer when they knock.

4nohrt4me2
Jul 30, 2018, 7:22pm

No, no, I'm here!

My reading project this year has been reading books with elderly (well, over 50) protagonists.

You would think that that age group, facing a crisis in elder care, rising medical costs, and less retirement savings, would make for a some great dystopians.

So where are they? I did read one by Anthony Trollope (the Victorian writer), The Fixed Period. Not very good, but interesting premise in which a utopian society decides everybody over 50 needs to go.

Same premise for absolutely great dystopian by Ninni Holmquist, The Unit.

Similar premise in Make Room! Make Room!, aka "Soylent Green," and the Christopher Buckley's Boomsday, about "incentivizing" Baby Boomers to off themselves.

5nohrt4me2
Jul 30, 2018, 7:23pm

Meantime, here's a list of 100 classic dystopians: http://www.vulture.com/article/best-dystopian-books.html

6stellarexplorer
Editado: Jul 30, 2018, 11:23pm

How do I know you are real?

And am I calmed by the mushroom cloud on your profile pic?

7PZR
Editado: Jul 31, 2018, 6:36am

>5 nohrt4me2: nohrt4me2: The presence of the three of us isn't enough to persuade me all is well. Thanks for the list, though...

>6 stellarexplorer: stellarexplorer: It's not much comfort, is it?

8PZR
Jul 31, 2018, 7:06am

>5 nohrt4me2: nohrt4me2: An interesting list - many of the usual suspects, of course, and that's no bad thing - some awful books too and rather Americocentric (I guess the clue is in the magazine title...) but plenty of food for the thought-police too.

9nohrt4me2
Jul 31, 2018, 10:24am

I love my mushroom cloud! I was terrified of The Bomb when I was a kid growing up in the 1950s and '60s. I think all those Twilight Zone episodes about nuclear annihilation and movies like Failsafe and Dr. Strangelove made me a dystopian freak.

Anyhoo, the last three people on earth kill each other squabbling over the merits of the selections in a "100 best" list ... Sounds like a great story premise. Chuck Heston pounding the sand at the end:

"God damn them all to hell! It was too American-centric! Why couldn't they see it? WHYYYYY? ?"

10stellarexplorer
Jul 31, 2018, 11:35am

I was terrified too - I’m afraid too many people who didn’t live through the Cold War have forgotten the risk we still live under...
Hey, can I borrow a cup of sugar? I’ve been making strikes on the wall, and today is Day 1000, so I’m baking a cake -

11nohrt4me2
Jul 31, 2018, 5:44pm

StellarExplorer, this is the post apocalypse.

There is no sugar.

We got eggs, maybe some corn or oatmeal, a bit of honey or maple syrup, seeds, some lard if we've decided to eat animals, and salt if we live near the ocean. You might have to settle for baking some type of cracker or flatbread.

12PZR
Jul 31, 2018, 5:45pm

Me too on the nuclear terrors thing...

It'd be John Hurt lamenting at the end of my film.

It was merely an observation that some more worthy titles might have been included by casting the net a little wider - Karel Čapek, perhaps, or Ferenc Karinthy, Georges Perec's 'W, or the Memory of Childhood' or Jan Morris's 'Hav of the Myrmidons'...

13nohrt4me2
Jul 31, 2018, 9:22pm

Is that Jan Morris the travel writer? Yes, I looked it up to see. Didn't know she ventured into genre fiction. Sounds interesting.

14PZR
Ago 1, 2018, 1:01pm

Yes, the very same Welshwoman! It's dystopic literary fiction, I'd say, mysterious and rather beautiful. There's something of it in Trieste and the Meaning of Nowhere too, I would say.

15nohrt4me2
Ago 1, 2018, 4:45pm

I read her book about Wales years ago. (My ancestors were all born on a line from Belfast to Ruthin to Thirsk.)

Like most books about Wales, Morris's gets for a bit too lost in the mist for my taste. But the Welsh have been telling entertaining lies since Geoffrey of Monmouth, and my grandmother (Tudors and Hugheses on her side) actually belonged to a Liar's Club and won prizes. Plus, as Oscar Wilde said, all literature is lies.

I digress, of course, but what do we do after an apocalypse but tell stories?

16PZR
Ago 1, 2018, 5:42pm

Ha ha - tell tales indeed.

The books of Morris's that I've mentioned are works of the imagination, and that includes the one on Trieste, which I absolutely loved.

17avaland
Ago 17, 2018, 7:00am

>1 PZR: I'm still around. Still reading dystopias. The latest is Vox by Christine Dalcher.

But, one more person should not bring you that much more comfort. LOL

>10 stellarexplorer: That crosses my mind, also.

Vanilla. Don't tell anyone I have some. I sold a kidney to get it.

18avaland
Editado: Ago 17, 2018, 4:57pm

>5 nohrt4me2: There's a lot of SF on that list I wouldn't call dystopian fiction, not that I have read it all (hubby, who has read way more of the SF titles than I, agrees that they are trying to fit stuff that really doesn't belong into their category. Including The Stars My Destination really got a rise out of him (it happens to be one of his faves).

Someday I'll get back to the audio "Great Courses" course on Dystopian Lit.

19zdufran
Nov 26, 2018, 5:20pm

I haven't visited this group in a long time. I'm here now though!

Thanks for the list, nohrt4me2, and thanks to others for listing books you've read recently. There are several I want to read.

Books I've read this year that could probably be considered dystopian:
Station Eleven by Emily St. John Mandel - post-apocolyptic, good read
Parable of the Sower and Parable of the Talents by Octavia Butler - some uncanny coincidences with Trump's America, including the "Make America Great Again" slogan and rise of white nationalists
The 5th Wave by Rick Yancey - uh, I shouldered through this one. Too much teenager voice and unnecessary expletives in this book.
The Genius Plague by David Walton - not sure if this qualifies. It's futuristic and a bit scary.
Retrograde by Peter Cawdron - takes place on Mars, which I think most people would immediately associate with Sci-Fi and not dystopian, but it deals with what is happening on Earth in a near future.

20nohrt4me2
Editado: Nov 26, 2018, 10:18pm

>19 zdufran: I really liked Station Eleven and the Butler books, too. Also read Severance by Ling Ma, interesting premise but unsatisfying end.