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1John5918
Antony Beevor: the greatest war movie ever – and the ones I can't bear (Guardian)
Quite an interesting article based on the thoughts of a great military author. "I despair at the way American and British movie-makers feel they have every right to play fast and loose with the facts, yet have the arrogance to imply that their version is as good as the truth. Continental film-makers are on the whole far more scrupulous."
His "greatest war movie ever"? "The 317th Platoon", a French film from 1965 set during the country’s first Indochina war.
The ones he "can't bear"? Almost all the rest.
Quite an interesting article based on the thoughts of a great military author. "I despair at the way American and British movie-makers feel they have every right to play fast and loose with the facts, yet have the arrogance to imply that their version is as good as the truth. Continental film-makers are on the whole far more scrupulous."
His "greatest war movie ever"? "The 317th Platoon", a French film from 1965 set during the country’s first Indochina war.
The ones he "can't bear"? Almost all the rest.
2rocketjk
Yes, I read this. Enjoyed it immensely. I had heard before the line about Saving Private Ryan that the opening was essentially a remake of Jaws and the climactic tank battle more or less a remake of Jurassic Park. The only book by Beevor I've read is The Battle for Spain about the Spanish Civil War. Thought it was terrific.
3pmackey
If your watching "Saving Private Ryan" and "Dunkirk" to get a "feel" for the time and what battle was like, I think those movies did a fairly good job. My dispute is when the movies are hyped as historical, but should be labeled as based on a true story. I don't care about the Jaws thing. Good storytelling is good storytelling.
4Bushwhacked
I'd suggest that the war movies of the '80's, '90's and onwards are broadly way superior to the ones many of us grew up with and loved, which were on high television rotation during our childhood (eg: 'Battle of the Bulge', 'Midway', 'A Bridge to Far', 'Battle of Britain' just to name a few).
Thank goodness someone else out there thinks 'The Patriot' was a stinker, though I'd recommend having a look at 'Gallipoli' at least once. My view is that Mel Gibson's acting skills went to pot once he arrived in Hollywood proper.
As for the dominance of the American perspective in war movies... well... that's the major market, production source and finance source... what ya gunna do? As a comparison, Australian war movies can get pretty jingoistic and derogatory regarding the British especially (eg 'Breaker Morant' and 'Gallipoli'), but again, it's the market they're aimed at. That said, I've always enjoyed and recommend if you have the time and inclination 'The Lighthorsemen' and also the '80's television series 'ANZACs', but maybe I'm just being sentimental. Both are readily available on DVD and the last time I looked all episodes of 'ANZACs' were on YouTube for free.
Thank goodness someone else out there thinks 'The Patriot' was a stinker, though I'd recommend having a look at 'Gallipoli' at least once. My view is that Mel Gibson's acting skills went to pot once he arrived in Hollywood proper.
As for the dominance of the American perspective in war movies... well... that's the major market, production source and finance source... what ya gunna do? As a comparison, Australian war movies can get pretty jingoistic and derogatory regarding the British especially (eg 'Breaker Morant' and 'Gallipoli'), but again, it's the market they're aimed at. That said, I've always enjoyed and recommend if you have the time and inclination 'The Lighthorsemen' and also the '80's television series 'ANZACs', but maybe I'm just being sentimental. Both are readily available on DVD and the last time I looked all episodes of 'ANZACs' were on YouTube for free.
