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Nov 11, 2016, 6:21pm

Free-range literary-ish conversation.

Nov 11, 2016, 6:45pm

I love that, SP. I just sort of see a chicken running around squawking about its latest read.

Nov 11, 2016, 8:01pm

The New Yorker has posted next week's cover and again it is very powerful and sad.

Nov 11, 2016, 8:13pm

I'm flashing back to Doonesbury.

Editado: Nov 11, 2016, 9:14pm

Nov 12, 2016, 9:08am

Thanks Lisapeet!

Nov 12, 2016, 10:12am

Sorry so big! Shrinking it would have involved more steps than I wanted to do last night.

Nov 12, 2016, 10:21am

It should be big. It's what he promised.

Editado: Nov 12, 2016, 11:10am

They are already backing off the promise of the wall. And repealing Obamacare. And Trump's called South Korea to assure them that he didn't really mean it when he said the U.S. would not help protect them against North Korea. Oh, and their transition team is chock-full of DC insiders.

I wonder how his voters are going to feel when they realize there's not going to be a wall, or mass deportations, or a wholesale repeal of gay marriage and abortion (more restrictions on abortion, yes, but a total repeal is unlikely), or a "drained swamp." Just Trump figuring out new ways to use the Presidency to line his own pockets.

(To be clear, I'm not saying nothing bad will happen under Trump -- lots and lots of bad things will most likely happen. But the radical "burn-it-down" change his voters apparently wanted is wildly unlikely.)

Editado: Nov 12, 2016, 5:04pm

SP, I added a new topic and called it Literary Loft. I didn't see this had been added. Can it be deleted?

Though if anyone still can give me an invitation to Pants Suit Nation Facebook group I'd appreciate it.

I just wonder what it would take for his supporters to think he's betrayed them. They'll probably be convinced he was pressured by "insiders."

Nov 12, 2016, 5:05pm

Right, that it's just a vast left-wing conspiracy. Or that they've replaced him with a cyborg (which isn't a bad idea, come to think of it).

Karen, I just added you.

Nov 12, 2016, 5:20pm

No worries, Karen--I can't delete threads but things just sort of drift to the bottom if there aren't replies. And just to reiterate, everyone should feel free to start a thread whenever they want.

Nov 12, 2016, 5:29pm

Thanks, Lisa and SP.

Nov 12, 2016, 6:52pm

When threads go dormant on librarything they don't die,the heading just says something like not opened in a long while,would you like to add to the postings? A lot of forums run into that situation where a topic isn't used in a long time.

Nov 12, 2016, 6:54pm

Whatever happened to the woman who ran Readerville? Was her name Karen? And whatever happened to the original owners of Book Balloon? And what happened to...she wrote lots of ya novels..from Connecticut?

Nov 12, 2016, 8:19pm

Gary and Eliz are still around, esp on FB. I haven't heard anything about Karen lately but suspect others would be more in the know (welcome back, Alan)

Nov 12, 2016, 8:22pm

They're all good--I see them all out and about on various social media.

Nov 12, 2016, 9:05pm

Thanks Cindy and hi to you too.

Editado: Nov 12, 2016, 10:01pm

>15 alans: And the author you're thinking of is Lauren Baratz-Logsted. She was on BB for a while and drifted away... hopefully she'll come back to the fold here. She's pretty active on Twitter—there are actually a few RV lists on Twitter where you can find people (including Karen, Gary, and Elizabeth).

Nov 12, 2016, 10:17pm

Lauren and I were occasional Morning Joe hate-watch Twitter pals during the election.

Nov 13, 2016, 1:09am

Karen Templer has a fantastic website for knitters and clothing-makers. She also has an online shop that is lovely.

Nov 13, 2016, 10:02am

OK, so I'm starting to add books to my LT library--I feel like if I'm using the platform to host this discussion, I need to add to the book ecosystem even though I am really not a list maker--but adding Kindle books seems odd to me. It just feels like adding the idea of a book, or like adding a magazine. Does anyone else who catalogs their books feel like that?

Nov 13, 2016, 10:13am

I add them, as well as e-galleys and library books (both print and e-), and then tag them accordingly. If I've read it, it goes in, is my motto. But then I'm geeky and like the metadata aspect.

Nov 13, 2016, 10:37am

I don't think it is odd. It's all about the text!

Nov 13, 2016, 11:27am

I add all books I've read (even if they are library books - I just tag them as such) and all books I own regardless of their format (audio, digital or paper). I imported my GR library, forgetting that I had a huge wishlist, so I'm clicking through pages and pages of books and deleting books I don't own or haven't read.

Nov 13, 2016, 1:55pm

I guess part of what makes it odd is that I had a massive book purge this summer, so the books that stayed have lots of meaning attached to them--both because of the text and as physical objects.

Since I've never cared about keeping track of what I've read (and man alive, I've tried), I'm leaning more to the idea that my virtual library is a collection of touchstones than a catalog of what I've read, because that's certainly what my actual library has become.

Nov 13, 2016, 4:18pm

So, how do you import your books from Goodreads?

Nov 13, 2016, 4:41pm

I like the similar libraries feature. Right now mine are Lisa, Miriam and Susan (pages turned). But I only have a small portion of them catalogued, though I joined several years ago.When I import my GR stuff wil it recognize duplicates?

I am on another secret FB site and someone posted a sign of a board outside a London pub "Americans must be accompanied by an adult."

Nov 13, 2016, 5:57pm

I have the books I own here and the books I've read the past few years at GR. I started out here, cataloging everything I owned, and took to GR kind of late. I suppose I should attempt to consolidate at one place, but I've gotten used to bouncing around.

Nov 13, 2016, 6:20pm

When you import from GR, does it delete them from GR?

Nov 13, 2016, 7:00pm

No, it doesn't delete them.

Nov 13, 2016, 10:33pm

It doesn't duplicate and the import was easy peasy. My only issue was that it included my "wishlist" library, which was expected with a mass export, but they took me a bit to clear out. I'll continue to use both sites, but I'm not loving GRs new format and I check groups anymore, so the transfer to LR isn't a huge deal.

I don't think I can take FB for awhile -- everyone just throws things into the stream and the comments are crazy.

Nov 14, 2016, 1:06pm

Thanks, ladies. :0)

Editado: Nov 14, 2016, 2:50pm

I can't find the TV thread. Is there one or am I just spaced out with this headache? I swear I saw it before.

Nov 14, 2016, 1:39pm

Karen, I don't think there is one yet. Just a movie thread.

Nov 14, 2016, 1:46pm

You can start one!

Editado: Nov 14, 2016, 1:54pm

>34 karenwall: Yeah, have at it! And one thing to remember: now that BookBalloon is part of LT, make sure to poke around the site a bit. And when you do mention a book or movie (I'm not sure about TV shows), make sure to do the touchstone links. It's not only a way to pull in information, it's a way to let other LT members know there's a discussion about a particular work or author.

Nov 14, 2016, 2:51pm

Thanks. And believe me I know the difference between or and are.

Editado: Nov 16, 2016, 1:40pm

I Haven't explored the Touchstones but I will.

Nov 14, 2016, 5:20pm

>22 SPRankin:

I would not only add eBooks (Kindle or whatever) I would also add audiobooks - though I'm not yet sure how to do that. (But as the print copy will already exist I could add that instead, though it does seem slightly dishonest).

Nov 14, 2016, 5:23pm

>28 karenwall:

That's a meme! I've seen that several times on FB.

Nov 14, 2016, 5:42pm

>40 Tid: I feel much less conflicted about audiobooks. One of the best reading experiences I've ever had was listening to Juliet Stevenson read Mrs Dalloway and Orlando during a long car commute I had to make a year or two ago, and now I value the physical copies of the books because they contain all of that--the voice, the drive, the time--in a way I don't value hard copies of books I first read as ebooks.

Nov 14, 2016, 6:25pm

>40 Tid: I would also add audiobooks - though I'm not yet sure how to do that.

I created an entire collection called "audio" specifically for keeping track of audio books. If you use (an amazon company) then they are searchable by looking for "audible" plus the title and/or author. A lot I just manually enter though, since you can now choose one of several options in the "Media" field that are for audio or digital files.

Nov 15, 2016, 4:47am

>42 SPRankin: >43 southernbooklady:

Thanks for that guys. I actually value audiobooks because of my disability - while I can still read ordinary size paperbacks in bed at night, audio makes things so much easier, though I agree - it's a different experience from visual reading, as I've found from listening to books I already read and loved. Personally, I think audio wins out for non-fiction best, so I use it for biography, crime docs, that sort of thing. (I've not actually ever yet bought a hard copy of something I first heard as audio, and would only do it if I didn't care much for the choice of reader ... which makes all the difference! and can be discovered in an instant listening to the 4 minute samples on Audible.)

Nov 16, 2016, 1:19pm

I add an audiobook tag.

Nov 16, 2016, 6:03pm

Tags are things I have yet to learn...

Nov 17, 2016, 9:36pm

So, Gayla it looks like you are the only person on my top 100 library match list. Miriam was on the list until I imported my Goodreads list.

Nov 18, 2016, 10:13am

Library twins!

Nov 18, 2016, 12:16pm


Nov 20, 2016, 12:56pm

So I've given up trying to get my dad any books in any science fiction series he follows -- he's voracious, and just runs out to get the latest whatever as soon as it is released.

Instead, I'm looking for good, science-y nonfiction for him, emphaisis on the science, or the technical problem solving. So here are a few books he loved:

Interstellar Age
The Ghost Map
Ship of Gold in the Deep Blue Sea
Shadow Divers
Soul of a New Machine

He likes books that are about the field as much as about the people in the field, but they have to be well written and pretty contemporary. Space Program and Aeronautics, Computer science and the kind of exploration that requires lots of engineering inventiveness.

Any suggestions?

Nov 20, 2016, 1:37pm

Dava Sobel Galileos Daughter (I hae read several on his list, Ship of Gold is probably my favorite)

Nov 20, 2016, 4:09pm

Nov 20, 2016, 9:47pm

I was going to suggest In the Kingdom of Ice: The Grand and Terrible Polar Voyage of the USS Jeanette, but it's not contemporary.

Nov 21, 2016, 8:50am

Right -- Lunar Men, Galileo's Daughter, they are great books. I could give them to my mom (actually, I have given them to my mom!). But dad's interest is mostly in our modern era. And, in the actual nitty-gritty of the scientific advancement of the era, which is why I don't think any of the books about women "computers" out or coming out would really do the trick. If there was a book on "How to build a Martian settlement" he'd be interested in that.

Nov 21, 2016, 4:40pm

He might like The Man Who Invented The Computer by Jane Smiley, about John Atanasoff, not widely recognised as such?

Nov 21, 2016, 5:15pm

>55 Tid: Hey now, that's a thought! Thank you!

Nov 21, 2016, 5:36pm

>56 southernbooklady:
You're welcome :-)

Editado: Nov 22, 2016, 11:26am

>58 lisapeet:

Wow, that would be quite something?

On a similar tack, there's the story of a beautiful Hollywood film star who was also a mathematical genius: Hedy's Folly by Richard Rhodes (Hedy Lamarr).

Nov 22, 2016, 11:37pm

>58 lisapeet: Isn't that being made into a movie? I seem to recall seeing a trailer for a similar story

Nov 23, 2016, 8:03am

>60 cindydavid4: I think so. I remember seeing Janelle Monae's name bandied about in connection with it. I'd love to see her drop the robot persona and get into acting—I think she's really smart underneath (or maybe in addition to would be a better phrase) that pop brittleness.

Nov 23, 2016, 2:00pm

Janelle Monae is in Moonlight and although the role is small and not that demanding, she was quite good. There was a trailer for "Hidden Figures" before Moonlight.

Editado: Nov 24, 2016, 6:33am

Hidden Figures has a limited release coming (but everywhere early January) -- it has Octavia Spencer, Taraji Henson, Monae and Kevin Costner. I'm afraid that last bit will doom it to the dustbin of "meh."

Nov 24, 2016, 2:12pm

That Rhodes book night be an idea for Mark for Christmas.

Nov 25, 2016, 10:46am

So Lena Dunham has announced that she doesn't need to leave the U.S. now that Trump is going to be president. Oh Lena,we were so depending on you to lead the masses, how can she do
this to us now?

Nov 28, 2016, 11:36am

I'm so sad to report that Sue Russell has died. Longtime readerville and book balloon folks may remember her.

I am trying to get some more information. Does anyone know her partner Lynn's last name?

Listen to some Mildred Bailey and read a short story. She loved both.

Nov 28, 2016, 11:54am

I am saddened by the news about Sue.

Nov 28, 2016, 12:19pm

I am so, so sorry. Sue was someone who was dear to me -- a great reviewer for Like Fire and one of my best reading twins. Shit, that makes me sad.

Her partner is Lynne Maxwell.

Nov 28, 2016, 12:21pm

I'd just posted something In Milestone's. I don't have details but reached out to a mutual friend. Will let you know if I hear anything back. I never knew Sue well but always followed her reviews here and on Goodreads. And I loved hearing her talk about the joy she found in her singing. She fought well and hard against her disease. RIP.

Nov 28, 2016, 12:28pm

I am very sad to hear that Sue is gone. She was a wonderful, smart, fun person.

Nov 28, 2016, 12:59pm

She was just fantastic and it's not often you run into someone who can really argue the finer points of "The Ladies Who Lunch" from the standpoint of both a listener and a singer. She was a great lady.

Lauren and Mister Lauren and I went to the Grand Ole Opry with her once and her smile was so huge the entire time it managed to eclipse the tragedy of the catsuit the host of the show was wearing.

Nov 28, 2016, 1:43pm

Jeannie Seeley, if I recall correctly.

Nov 28, 2016, 2:19pm

Oh, that's sad.

Nov 28, 2016, 7:34pm

Oh no! Ive had many conversations with her on Rville (not sure if she made to to BB). Thats so said I'll take this to Milestones

Nov 30, 2016, 10:35am

There is a very moving interview with Cleve Jones on NPR yesterday-it's on their website. For anyone who might not remember, Cleve was a very close friend of Harvey Milk and he was the
first person to find Harvey's body after he had been shot. Emilio Estavez played Cleve in the movie Milk. Cleve talks about his life and Milk (very sad)and living with AIDS. He has a new biography
out and it has been turned into an ABC mini-series directed by Gus Van Sant and written by Dustin Lance Black which is supposed to appear in April. The series will be about the history of gay
liberation and it is said to run for I believe eight nights. I was just so moved by Cleve's talk though...very very powerful stuff. Also Cleve was the person who came up with the idea for the Aids

Nov 30, 2016, 11:40am

Now I'm not sure if Cleve is played by Emilio...I know it was an Estevez..but I don't know which one.

Nov 30, 2016, 11:41am

Yikes now I got was a Hirsch...Emile Hirsh I believe.

Nov 30, 2016, 4:52pm

(I was just thinking that I didn't remember Emilio Estevez in Milk, but I don't remember many performances from that movie besides Sean Penn and Josh Brolin.)

Dic 1, 2016, 10:29am

Just reading about Sue in this thread, I remembered the first conversation I had with her in RV, I was pretty new and getting to know people and we had a discussion about The Killing of Sister George. I think DG was involved. Wish we had those archives.

When we had lunch we talked about gay marriage (so much has changed seven years on) and how cluttered her and Lynne's house was. And she was dismayed at all the hawking going on outside the JFK site. RIP, Sue.

Dic 2, 2016, 9:54am

Virginia county pulls classic novels from public schools

“It’s not right to put that in a book, let alone read that to a child,” she said.

The books in question, in case you're wondering, are To Kill a Mockingbird and Huck Finn and the complaint is about the racial slurs and the word "nigger."

Sigh. Does this sort of thing happen in other parts of the country or is it the South that is just so special?

Dic 2, 2016, 12:48pm

Dic 2, 2016, 5:10pm

How many times are we going to have to have this dumb conversation, states?

Dic 2, 2016, 7:58pm

>81 southernbooklady:

Aaaarggghhhh! It will keep happening as each new group of students moves through the different school districts. The parents don't get any smarter. I can't even read the article it makes me so angry!

Dic 3, 2016, 8:19am

>84 AprilAdamson: The parents don't get any smarter.

I remain eternally grateful to my parents, who never once took a book out of my hands, but were diligent in putting the books they loved into them.

Dic 3, 2016, 9:19am

I don't recall a single time being told not to read something by my parents and as a kid I was hardly ever NOT reading. But in my family, reading was a solitary kind of thing. Other than as Christmas or birthday presents, I don't recall my parents sharing books with me or talking about what they read. They both read a lot, though, and the whole family went to the library regularly.

Dic 3, 2016, 12:46pm

My parents were super super nuts about me reading (in a good way) and when I opted out of a nap at a daycare once to read instead, I got in trouble. Then, when Mom picked me up, the daycare got in trouble. Like a "don't you ever tell my son he can't read!" yelling match kind of way. And then the next week I was in a different daycare. And it does seem like Mom was always pushing it. "I think you should read Catcher in the Rye for your book report." I was eight.

Dic 3, 2016, 3:57pm

My mother did invite me to be the speaker at her book club when they read The Hobbit. I mainly just remember reciting all the dwarves' names really fast.

Dic 3, 2016, 5:48pm

>85 southernbooklady: Nicki, I was fortunate that my parents let me read what I wanted, too. I didn't say it very well, but my comment about parents was trying to get at the idea that we just keep having this same conversation over and over when another parent just refuses to see the importance of these pieces of literature and what powerful tools they can be.

Dic 3, 2016, 6:21pm

The only time my parents told me to stop reading something was when I was in Jr Hi, reading Grapes of Wrath, and having crying jags. Had to put it aside for a week or so. Went back to it later. Powerful book. Otherwise, I read everything I wanted. About the same age I picked up Valley of the Dolls from somewhere, and hid it under my mattress. One day dad walked by, saw me with it and said 'oh let me know how you like it, I want to read it' !!! Yeah ok dad sure.

Dic 5, 2016, 8:20am

In a very different way, I was blessed to have parents who paid absolutely no attention to what I was reading. And rarely if ever asked. That coupled with a lovely librarian who let me hide in the adult stacks on Saturday and read all the Great American Plays of 19-- anthologies. I was 9 or 10.

Given how strict and religious and rule oriented my folks were it seems very odd that they would never question or ask what I was reading. But I don't recall them ever doing it.

Dic 6, 2016, 9:57am

I used to borrow my mother's copies of Harold Robbins when I was a very young teen..she couldn't care less.
There were no restrictions on reading in my house.

Editado: Dic 6, 2016, 6:02pm

My folks payed zero attention to what I was pullng off their shelves, bless 'em, which is why I had read Fear of Flying and Portnoy's Complaint and Candy (andhey, The Second Sex too) by the time I was 14. Didn't hurt me any, and as I've maintained in my as-yet unpublished essay "A Man Will Fuck a Chicken," finding my brother's trove of Penthouse Magazine's probably gave me a good heads-up to be wary of the male sex drive when I was young and vulnerable.

Which is a roundabout way of saying that censorship is a bad thing.

Editado: Dic 6, 2016, 5:59pm

Yeah, I remember my mother telling my protective older sister that it was ok for me to read Flowers in the Attic at a pretty young age - maybe 9? My parents never put any restrictions on my reading, thank goodness.

Dic 6, 2016, 6:03pm

I think I was more paranoid about books I knew I shouldn't get caught with more than having anything taken away from me. My friend and I secretly read Papillion when we were 11 or 12. Definitely eye-opening.

Dic 6, 2016, 6:04pm

Hahaha edited the above because I don't think there's actually such a thing as a "male sexuality drive." Damn autocorrect.

Dic 6, 2016, 8:18pm

Well, I wish someone had taken The Exorcist out of my hands when I was 9. It scared the ever-loving shit out of me and was directly responsible for my writing off to a radio preacher for a glow-in-the-dark cross.

Dic 6, 2016, 10:31pm

Ah, there's a topic: books you wish you'd never read. I nominate Sibyl, that book that was so big in the mid-'70s about the abused girl who developed multiple personalities. Even though I know the whole thing was eventually debunked, I think I still have nightmares about it 40 years later.

Dic 6, 2016, 10:44pm

Jonathan Livingston Seagull and Illusions. I think I read them in seventh grade? Those two books killed actual brain cells and had me believing the crap you read on Hallmark cards was profound life advice.

Editado: Dic 7, 2016, 12:40am

>100 lisapeet: That's a tough one. I read a lot of dreck as a kid (hello Harlequin), but mainly I'm grateful for all of it. And at the time, I certainly bragged about reading TE even as I slept with my phosphorescent cross under my pillow. The only other thing I really do regret reading was this horrifying short story in 8th grade. It didn't just scare me, it really upset me in a way that wasn't fun at all.

Dic 7, 2016, 6:09am

The. Prince. Of. Tides.

Dic 7, 2016, 6:23am

>102 SPRankin: Do you remember what the title of the story was, or have you repressed it?

>103 DG_Strong: Never read the book, but I would sure as hell like back those two hours of my life that I spent sitting through the movie.

Dic 7, 2016, 7:41am

My parents were really strict, but the town librarians were willing to look the other way, which is how I ended up reading The World According to Garp and You Must Remember This at 14. My parents didn't pay a ton of attention to what I brought home from the library, but I used to hide my books under my pillow to keep them from stumbling onto a book and reading the jacket copy.

The only thing that really scarred me was In Cold Blood, which I also read at fourteen. Since it is about a family who is murdered while in a remote farmhouse and I was living in a remote farmhouse at the time. I had nightmares for years.

Dic 7, 2016, 8:42am

>104 lisapeet: I linked to it in my post. It was called "Enoch" by Robert Bloch.

Dic 7, 2016, 9:40am

>106 SPRankin: Aha. It's hard to see a single word highlighted on my phone sometimes (using my dog walk time constructively). And yikes, that's a dark one.

Dic 7, 2016, 9:59am

I'm sort of afraid linking to it will be like The Ring.

You know, I've read most or all of Conroy's novels and I'm always taken aback by the seemingly obligatory torture scene in all of them

Editado: Dic 7, 2016, 12:42pm

I was afraid of everything as a kid - the dark riders in the lord of the ring books, Bertha Rochester in Jane Eyre but I kept reading. My parents didn't set limit about any books. And like you, Lisa, I read all kinds of things on their shelves - Valley of the Dolls, Candy, The Harrad Experiment. I remember asking my mother what the Henry Miller books Tropic of Cancer + Tropic of Capricorn were about and she said they were by a man who wrote about everything he did in his life, including going to the bathroom. Well, I had to give those a try.

My father kept his playboys and a little more hard-core porn in his home office but we knew where. I wish I hadn't read The Story of O.

Oh yes, Sibil. That was very upsetting.

Editado: Dic 7, 2016, 1:12pm

Well. I hadn't read that Enoch story before and it was indeed disturbing.

I'm trying to think of something I read as a child that I probably shouldn't have and which terrified me. I wasn't big on horror, so ... nothing? I did read Sybil but no real aftereffects. I read some of Stephen King's The Dark Half, which was scary but not in a nightmares kind of way.

I saw Misery in theaters when it came out, and that scared the pants off me. I screamed myself hoarse during all the jump scares and had a sore throat and sore leg muscles (I was tensing all my muscles without realizing it) the next day. I was about 12, so probably too young for that. Continuing the Stephen King theme, the movie It also scared the bejeezus out of me.

edit: Lauren, The Story of O link actually takes you to the Hobbit, which is hilarious.

Dic 7, 2016, 1:28pm

There's a mashup for someone.

Dic 7, 2016, 1:28pm

120 Days of Sodom by the Marquis de Sade

Dic 7, 2016, 6:05pm

I edited but that mash-up is quite funny.

Dic 8, 2016, 12:51pm

120 Days of Sodom and The Hobbit would also be fun.

Dic 8, 2016, 2:40pm

How about The Life of Pi and Three Men in a Boat (to say nothing of the tiger) ?

Dic 8, 2016, 7:54pm

So here's a weird thought I had earlier today. I've been talking with some of you people online for about 18 years!! And I've still only met a couple of you in "real" life. I remember timidly popping into a conversation with Kat and Homer Banks at Table Talk in 1998. My first book group was Feast of Snakes with Jo strong. And several sites and moves later here we are. Feels kind of awesome.

Editado: Dic 9, 2016, 9:50pm

>110 Cara_DB:
I've been unsettled by books, but usually they don't scare me. tv shows and movies, thats a whole different ball of wax. Had plenty of nightmares from watching the same stuff that was adapted from a book that didn't bother me in the least..

Dic 9, 2016, 11:17am

>116 LuRits: It does feel kind of awesome, doesn't it? I think my timeline is similar LuAnne. I started in TT at the tail end of '98. I was explaining to a RL person how many years I've been hanging with this group and how easy the few face-to-faces have been, because we really do get to know each other online. All our bits that we drop into conversation do add up to a rather fulsome whole (with caveats of course).

Editado: Dic 9, 2016, 9:56pm

I vividly remember those torture scenes in Sybil. Unnerving to me. One in particular, I'm not going to say which one. My mother and grandmother didn't care what I read but they got irritated me for reading when they wanted my company.They belonged to book clubs and I read most of what came, though it was often not very good. The nearest bookstore was in Austin so I had to depend on that and the library. Then there were the book catalogs that came. at school a few times a year and that was fun.

Dic 9, 2016, 6:30pm

Karen Templer and I had lunch the other day with Ann Shayne, the Mason Dixon Knitting lady (and author of a novel, Bowling Avenue) and it was interesting trying to explain to Ann how we knew each other. Alllllll the way back to Table Talk, when KT was running the forum, right before Mary Beth did. It just sounded like we were crazy people.

Dic 9, 2016, 7:14pm

I've never met any of the Tabletalk/Readerville/BookBalloon folks in person because I don't actually exist. I'm just an alter ego of SP's.

Dic 9, 2016, 7:47pm

I've seen you! You do exist!

Editado: Dic 9, 2016, 8:45pm

I've met almost everyone from Readerville/Bookballoon EXCEPT SP and southernbooklady. But it's not for want of wishin' and hopin'.

I got on RV in 2003 and it pretty much changed my whole life, to an extent that's almost embarrassing. I changed careers because talking about books on RV made me realize I'd rather work with words than be an office manager. I got the job I have now because Karen asked me if I wanted to blog for RV, which led to my own blogs which served as the portfolios that convinced LJ to hire me for a journalism/editorial job without a single printed clip. Some of my favorite friends are folks I met on RV. And I live with a guy I met on RV. (11-1/2 years! Who would have put money on that one? I think quite possibly nobody.) So... my loyalties to RV/BB remain pretty damn unshakeable.

>120 DG_Strong: DG, how's Karen? Please send my love.

Dic 9, 2016, 9:01pm

>122 SPRankin: Of course you'd say that!

Dic 9, 2016, 9:37pm

I joined RV about the same time, Lisa, after hearing Caroline Leavitt talk about it on the Diane Rehm show. It was definitely a watershed moment. Though it led to more writing and even a writing program, the coolest thing for me is that it was the first place I ever used HTML, and that has led to some really interesting places. There weren't then and aren't now many paths leading in that direction for 40-something women. And books are at the center of it all.

I've met a few folks offline, and it always seems kind of like a little miracle because I'm half-certain I invented all of you.

Dic 9, 2016, 9:38pm

>124 southernbooklady: You're freaking me out, man.

Editado: Dic 9, 2016, 9:56pm

>116 LuRits: yup, thats me. I remember lurking in TT for a bit, then jumped into a discussion with JWM, Greg Hyduke and Martin Zook, asked if i could play. they welcomed me in, then i realized i was really out of my league. Stuck with it tho - learned tons, read books i never would have known about, and met some lifelong virtual friends. ive known some online so long that i remember when their college aged children were born! Missed TT, but Thank goodness RL and BB took up the slack. And how thriling to have F2F meetings with so many people. Think I met most of the SF folk at Karlas, then lynn reed, martin zook, janet l, lisapeet, deeg a couple of times. Oh and ty and Catherine (can't remember last name, loved her book discussions)..Other people used to think it strange; I think its more accepted now. Just amazed by how long its been

Editado: Dic 9, 2016, 10:07pm

Lisa,we've never met in person, thought when I say Lisa Peet from The Bronx, Mark knows who I'm talking about. And he read TKAM because you sent me a copy! Mine had been lost in some move. I may be the latest comer to the group who stuck around. I lurked at RV for a year or so before coming out in the summer of 08. It's been such an additive influence in my life.

Dic 9, 2016, 10:19pm

You guys are making my heart ache. For a short time, I mostly lurked at TT and one day I saw that KatherineB's tagline said something like "Ta-ta, TT! I'm going to Readerville!" So I checked out Readerville in, I think, 2001 and participated regularly until it closed in 2009. I have met several RVers in person, and have happy and hilarious memories of those times. But there are folks that I've never met and I have to stop and think to remember that I've never met them because they are no less real to me.

Lisa, you have the best RV story ever and--just sayin'--I would have put money on it.

Editado: Dic 9, 2016, 11:16pm

just sayin'--I would have put money on it.
Aww, Nancy.

And also yes on the folks you never met, because I had to stop after karenwall said we'd never met IRL because I could almost swear we had. Or like going from never having met mkunruh f2f to sharing a teeny tiny hotel room for two nights and not thinking twice about it because, you know, I know her.

Dic 9, 2016, 11:23pm

I started on table talk and then moved to readerville and always regretted never subscribing to the magazine. I met one rr person who as far as I know was only on rr but not for a very long time. She wrote a novel about a woman who ran a bra shop for orthodox women.
Just today I picked up a copy of a shauna Singh Baldwin novel for a buck. She was on readerville for a bit.

Dic 10, 2016, 5:02am

Is anyone still in touch with KatherineB? I see Ty on FB now and then but no mention of KB. Wonder how shes doing. Had a great time on my trips to CO to see them. Meeting Cathy Bowen in Philly was another that felt like I'd known her forever. We stayed in touch for a while then she just disappeared from radar.

Dic 10, 2016, 8:12am

If any of you are - or have been - members of Second Life, then we may have met. Or rather, our alter-ego SL avatars may have chatted, either by typing or using our actual voices, while our real life personas sat in front of our computers..

(It's the only way I'm going to "meet" Americans).

Editado: Dic 10, 2016, 10:39am

I think I read about Readerville in Oprah's magazine. Is that possible? It was at least 15 years ago and it took a while for DG and I to realize that we were in the same city. I think I said something about Las Paletas, the Mexican popsicle place which used to be one of the hippest things Nashville had going. When we finally met, he came to my workplace for lunch, it turned out we knew a ton of people in common and a mutual friend actually walked by, looked at us and said oh yeah, that makes sense. I figured we would have met eventually, RV just hustled it up.

There was another person at that lunch - Sarah................I can't remember her RV name although I think it was something Hungarian. She was very sweet, quite young and in what sounded like to my older and wiser years a terrible marriage.

Early on, in a trip to NY, I met Janet L and Mya. Lisa P, were you there?

Ilana Stranger-Ross was on RV ? That's funny. I was reading her book when Lisa P + I went undergarment shopping a few NY visits ago. Sweet novel.

Dic 10, 2016, 11:00am

Yes it was Iliana Stranger Ross! She moved to Toronto for a short while,I think her husband may have been Canadian and she was working on the novel at the time. She had plans to move to the west coast and become a midwife and back then she had a child. When I read the novel I looked her up and wrote her. She was a very nice person. I have to see if she has anything more recent out. Do people remember when Michael Chabon's wife was on readerville.i know she has her own distinguished career but I can't remember her name.

Dic 10, 2016, 11:09am

Ayelet Waldman.

Dic 10, 2016, 7:44pm

>134 laurenbufferd: Re you and Deeg I remember when that conversation was happening online, it was so cool to watch! also cool that you guys continue to get together.

There was Sarah Rocklin (where has she been?) but yeah there was another Sara as well. Speaking of young, I want to know what happened to the two young ladies in the YA thread - Jules and Lyra. Still have Lyra's poem she wrote after 9/11. Amazingly mature and funny, great writers even at that age.

Dic 10, 2016, 7:59pm

Sarah Nagy.

Dic 11, 2016, 7:23pm

YES! Funny too because a really good friend of mine has the same last name. I must have blocked it out.

I have had the free little library for two years and there's been a wide range of books in it. Sometimes, it is super Jesus-y. One time, there was a shit ton of books about golf. I had Jimmy Carter's book on Christmas and something by Mike Huckabee. But today, there was a book by Ben Carson and people, I threw it away. In the garbage. Actually, the recycling so maybe it will find some higher use.

I don't believe in censorship - or at least I didn't think I did - but the idea that I could be part of something that represented the Trump presidency was more than I could bear. What will Carson do with HUD except try to dismantle it. Fresh perspective, my aunt Fanny.

Editado: Dic 11, 2016, 7:38pm

I haven't met any of you, and I've been here since TT when Prentice Hall seemed to be the guy in charge of the book group. I, sadly, had to miss an opportunity to meet Cindy and her husband. I swear I'm going to look you guys up if I ever end up in one of your cities. Some of you need to come out here to the great northwest. There's great hiking and other fun stuff to do up here in the woods of north-central Washington.

Dic 11, 2016, 10:22pm

I also missed an opportunity to meet Cindy when she and David were travelling to MA. And I'm trying to remember the name of the guy who was really active at RV, lived in MA--can't believe I don't recall it. I wish he was still around. Lisa, you know him. Really, REALLY nice guy. Someone please tell me his name.

I also can't believe I've never met Kat, tpc, or Edward. They are very real-life to me. Oh, and LuAnn!! God, why hasn't THAT happened? I keep forgetting who I haven't met.

The only RVer's homes I've been to are Lisa and Jeff's (let's not forget that Jeff was also very much among us) and JanetL's (they live fairly close to one another). The only RVer who's ever been to my home is KayM (RV name was Willamena). She was great fun. She arrived on the ferry from Boston and took me to a very small bar in my very small town where she actually knew the band. Really fun.

Dic 11, 2016, 10:36pm

Jeff is still very much among some of us. Watching the football as we speak. We're very domesticated.

You're thinking of Daniel, who is indeed a fabulous guy. I had lunch with him just about a year ago when I was in Boston for a conference. We correspond in fits and starts—I owe him an email from Thanksgiving—and send each other books. Daniel isn't on any of the book sites I'm on and yet he always sends me books I don't have, which is some kind of strange miracle along the lines of loaves and fishes. I'll tell him he was being name-checked here.

>139 laurenbufferd: Little Free Library self-consciousness. I can totally see it.

Editado: Dic 12, 2016, 5:39am

>141 Nancy_Sirvent: Someone please tell me his name. That would be Daniel. Super nice indeed, with a great sense of humor and an amazing intellect. David and I had dinner with him and Stenhammer (who is on FB ) He seemed to disappear once we got to BB. I do miss him.

ETA Oh Lisa, please let Daniel know I think of him and miss him!

April, I was bummed about that too but IIRC there was a very good reason for the missed connection. I will make it back up there sometime (at least I did get a chance to have lunch with Jim Wallace and his wife. Great fun)

Another oldie was Greg Hyduke. He's my birthday twin and he lead the first online discussion i was in called the world I made for her by Thomas Moran. And thinking of him makes me think of Zook, who we met in DC, and John Matthews, RIP, who I was always wished I'd actually met.

Dic 12, 2016, 7:14pm

The only RVer's homes I've been to are Lisa and Jeff's (let's not forget that Jeff was also very much among us) and JanetL's (they live fairly close to one another)

Not true! You've been to mine a couple of years ago, with Elizabeth and Gary. When Kat sent a fantastic cheese board from cowgirl creamery and I invited people over to share.

Daniel's a great guy. Lisa, I'm glad you're still in touch with him.

Dic 12, 2016, 8:52pm

Oh, of course, Cara!! I forgot to consider more recent times. That was some good cheese.

Dic 12, 2016, 9:16pm

>142 lisapeet:, Lisa, I feel so stupidly guilty about it. I need to let it go.

Dic 12, 2016, 9:32pm

By god, if I had a LFL, I would go full-on NIMBY/Fahrenheit 451 on that book without a shred of compunction (and decency I guess). Just call it extreme curating.

Dic 12, 2016, 9:54pm

I would probably dump that Ben Carson book from someone else's Little Free Library!

Good cheese and good wine and good conversation, Nancy!

Dic 12, 2016, 10:24pm

That'S what I did. Burn Ayn Rand!

Dic 13, 2016, 8:07am

Oh, I'd have no compunction about censoring it if I had one. "Censorship" is a government act; my thinning the shit out of a LFL is taste-making.

Dic 13, 2016, 8:56am

Curation, baby.

Dic 13, 2016, 7:48pm

>148 Cara_DB: "I would probably dump that Ben Carson book from someone else's Little Free Library!"

Amen, sister!

Editado: Dic 13, 2016, 9:32pm

Lisa, You haven't met me yet! But one of these New York trips we got to make that happen.

And Lauren, I wouldn't even take a chance recycling that Carson book. Baby, it's cold outside. I say burn it.

Dic 13, 2016, 9:34pm

>153 LuRits: I hope that's aimed at me! Because yes.

I need to have another Readerville party someday.

Dic 18, 2016, 10:23am

I remember Homer Banks from Table Talk and Readerville, the guy with all the bookshelves, but I don't remember seeing anything of him after RV closed down. I believe the only person I've ever met in person is Peter Cashwell, when he was on his book tour. I always wondered who Prentice Hall was and what became of him.

Somewhere around here I still have copies of the Readerville Journal.

Dic 18, 2016, 11:37am

I've wondered what happened to Prentice Hall as well.

Dic 18, 2016, 12:59pm

And expat!

Dic 18, 2016, 8:55pm

Janet was in touch with Homer for a bit, but then he disappeared off the radar. Hope all is well with him. Lots of people I wonder about - Prentice Hall is one.

Dic 18, 2016, 8:57pm

Pat, hasn't been around for awhile, and I miss her too. More recently, I miss teep and Rodney. Someone mentioned Paul upthread and I thought I'd seen him when we migrated here, but he hasn't been posting.

Dic 27, 2016, 5:02pm

I can't remember which thread it was in, but someone asked for recommendations of books about Cuba. I had written these down a few months ago when someone recommended them at BB.

Telex From Cuba by Rachel Kushner
The Mambo Kings Play Songs of Love by Oscar Hijuelos
Cuba Libre by Elmore Leonard

Dic 29, 2016, 11:57am

That was the Literary Loft thread! (Wish we could delete this duplicate thread.) Thanks, April! I found one non-fiction one for her in my EW mag, but I'll add these as fiction, in case she's interested. Appreciate it!

Dic 29, 2016, 9:43pm

Ene 6, 2017, 5:11pm

Co-opting the thread since there doesn't seem to be a news thread and I ain't starting one. Although I know anything I type online is ultimately findable, sometimes I don;t want to be as snarky on FB, where I usually blather.

So ... terrible tragedy in Ft. Lauderdale with the airport shooting, and I took to Twitter to see if I could sense of the news as it developed. At least in the first hour or so after word first came out, the vast majority of tweets were people sending prayers to the killed and wounded. That's fine. But the next category of frequent tweet -- which is common when a newsworthy even if tragic event happens -- are what I think of as the "so close" tweets. "I flew out of there yesterday. " "My parents were going to fly out of there but they flew out of Miami instead." Then, the connection gets a little more distant. "I was just at that airport last week / month / year." 'I visited Ft. Lauderdale on spring break two years ago." "we drove through Florida last year."

So, here's my "so close" post. I've been in the Ft. Lauderdale airport once -- the weekend that Obamacare was passed almost 7 years ago. It also was the only time I was on a cruise. I was stuck there almost all night because the plane to get me back to Chicago never made it that night.

So close.

Ene 6, 2017, 8:10pm

I hate those too - along with the ones that say 'god was watching them', so like, god wasn't watching the others who died? What does that say about god?

Oh, glad to see you here!

Ene 6, 2017, 8:36pm

Hey, tpc, I'm glad to see you've arrived!

Ene 6, 2017, 9:09pm

>163 tpc_real: Distantly related to that George Carlin routine:

After someone dies, the following conversation is bound to take place probably more than once. Two guys meet on the street. “Hey, did you hear? Phil Davis died.” “Phil Davis? I just saw him yesterday.” Yeah? Didn’t help. He died anyway. Apparently, the simple act of your seeing him did not slow his cancer down. In fact, it may have made it more aggressive. You know, you could be responsible for Phil’s death. How do you live with yourself?

Ene 6, 2017, 10:44pm

hee, yeah, that too.

Ene 9, 2017, 9:47pm

Renee from Readerville wins this one. She was sitting in a plane on the runway at Ft Lauderdale getting ready to take off when the shots were fired!

Our local paper does a version of this. I await the interview with the "Charlotte connection" which is usually someone who is distantly related to one of the victim's in-law's doctor.

Ene 10, 2017, 8:09am

Our town does that too. It's not news unless there is a local connection.

Ene 12, 2017, 12:31pm

Catching up on this thread and Lauren's LFL, you should have done the same thing with the Huckabee book as you did with the Carson one.

Ene 13, 2017, 7:22pm

Jesse W. sent me the following info, and I said I would post it here. It's from Kate Maloy, who some of you may know from RV, (I'm not sure if she came to BookBalloon).

Editado: Ene 13, 2017, 9:15pm

Oh poor Kate - thanks for posting that, Niki. Hoping for his recovery

Ene 13, 2017, 11:21pm

Thanks for that, Nicki. I hadn't seen the donation site... happy to kick in a little something. They've had a rough go of it.

Ene 20, 2017, 3:12pm

Lisapeet, I recognized somewhere here that you might work for Library Journal-which happens to be one of my most favourite magazines! I have the current issue (january) right in front
of me and was just going to dive into it. But I am always so behind in my reading of it....I love the book reviews and the architecture stuff and the para-librarian stuff, even though we don't call
ourselves that in Canada, or at least where I live/work. I looked you up in the masthead and indeed you don't use a fake name here! So your anonymity is protected.

Ene 20, 2017, 11:45pm

>174 alans: What a nice thing to say—thank you very much for that, alan. We really try hard to bring good, relevant library news out into the world... and I do believe it's more important than ever. We also run a lot of news in longer form online at, which is maybe easier to dip in and out of. I'm in Atlanta right now at the American Library Association Midwinter conference, working like a dog, but it's really fun too... a lot of talking libraries and politics and books. And your comment totally made me happy.

Nope, no anonymity for me. I have this very public-facing job and a while back I just decided not to write or post anything anywhere online that I wouldn't sign my name to—and when I was looking for work, the benchmark was nothing that I wouldn't want a potential employer to see. I'm not a big sharer anyway, so it's not hard. I don't even have special Facebook settings—everything I post there is public. Makes things easy to keep track of, at the least.

Ene 21, 2017, 8:04am

>175 lisapeet: I have this very public-facing job and a while back I just decided not to write or post anything anywhere online that I wouldn't sign my name to.

I'm the same way, Lisa. If I don't want it to be public, I don't put it online. Otherwise it's all a professional persona (including here!).

Ene 21, 2017, 4:05pm

Congratulations to all BB people who marched today! Proud to be part of this group and overwhelmed by the worldwide reaction to this.

Ene 21, 2017, 8:34pm

Yes, indeed. I LOVED seeing all the photos and videos many of you posted from marches today. Thank you.

Ene 22, 2017, 12:35pm

I was there in spirit! We had 20000 in phx!

Ene 23, 2017, 6:17am

>179 cindydavid4:

Me too. BIG march in London. Heartwarming to see such a "yuge" worldwide response. My only fear is that the Tr*mp will so manipulate the "fake news" meme by constant repetition ( qua Joseph Goebbels) that some people will end up believing it.

Ene 23, 2017, 6:46pm

Kidney infections are not fun! That is all. Carry on.

Ene 23, 2017, 7:27pm

No they are not! I'm so sorry you're miserable April. I hope you start to feel better soon.

Ene 23, 2017, 11:26pm

Thanks, Mir. I'm beginning to improve, but the doc says it is going to take TIME before I feel back to normal. Phooey.

Sep 3, 2017, 6:15am

I've been crazy busy with some renovations, but I wanted to pop in to make sure all our book buds who were in the path of, or near to, Horrible Harvey are safe and sound. I know Julie lives in Texas, just not sure where, and I know Tennessee saw some rough weather, too. Things have been pretty quiet 'round LT, lately, but since I don't Facebook or Tweet, I hope y'all check in soon.

Sep 4, 2017, 12:44pm

I'm up in north Texas, near Dallas and Fort Worth. So is Karen. Someone else (my mind is blank!) is in Austin, but not sure any of us are in southeast Texas. I certainly know plenty of people affected, but as far as I know, everyone is safe.

Sep 4, 2017, 1:22pm

We had a whopping amount of rain here in Nashville, something like a foot in a few hours, but it wasn't as bad as the 2010 flood -- and once again my magic house didn't get a drop in the basement. I assume Lauren survived as well since she's been Instagramming photos of pet-chewed shoes in her hallway.

Sep 4, 2017, 8:51pm

Hey, that was in an art installation by our new dog Bix. Three Pinecones and her Shoe - or A Walk in the Woods.

We had a leaky ceiling but that was all.

Sep 4, 2017, 9:12pm

Thanks for checking in. Relieved to know everyone is safe.

Sep 4, 2017, 10:24pm

I have a good friend who lives south of Corpus Christi who is thanking her lucky stars that it didn't hit that way. She's up north helping some buddies up there with clean up.

Sep 5, 2017, 7:34pm

Is there a search function here, for BB only.

Sep 5, 2017, 11:13pm

Nevermind, I found it, duh.

Sep 6, 2017, 6:45am

Speaking of checking in, Pat, are you staying or going?

And Lauren, new dog? I must owe you an email (or even... a package).

And speaking of which—DG, do you have any interest in a copy of The Eye Stone: A Novel of Venice?

Sep 6, 2017, 2:44pm

Ooooo I'll take that, yes!

Sep 6, 2017, 6:42pm

Just checking in from smoke filled Washington state. We're holding our breath around here that a fire doesn't break out in our ponderosa pine forest up here near us. It's so smoky that I haven't been able to take my daily walk. My son in Vancouver, Washington couldn't even see through his car windshield when he left to go to work yesterday because of the ash from the Eagle Creek fire east of Portland. It is burning down the Columbia River gorge which has me in mourning. Some stupid kids thought it would be fun to play with fireworks. The Columbia River gorge is one of the most beautiful places on earth. The old lodge at Multnomah Falls was threatened, but they have been able to save it, I think, unless something happened today.

Sep 7, 2017, 10:42am

Hey Lisa, I made reservations 3 days ago as I'm very worried about my 84 y/o father being unable to tolerate this heat without any AC. We were without electricity for 15 days after Frances, 10 days after Jeanne, and a week after Wilma. If Irma follows the presently predicted path we will take the brunt of the Northeastern wall and the destruction will be horrible. We lost the entire northeastern part of our roof and 3 rooms caved in during Frances, so I know all too well what to expect. There's still a chance it will take an easterly jog and we'll only get strong Tropical winds. As the highways are already clogged with early mass evacuations from the Keys and the Miami/Dade/Lauderdale areas, with many people running out of gas on the roads, I'm going to wait until tomorrow morning to make a decision. If it takes the easterly jog, I'd rather deal with tropical winds than getting stuck on the road. Spent the last 3 days securing both houses, ours and my rental property. We installed Dade coded high impact windows in the smaller rental property, and both houses have relatively new roofs.

After almost 40 yrs. on the Treasure Coast, I have to tell ya's I AM OVER THIS HURRICANE SHIT.

Sep 7, 2017, 11:20am

I am a very unhappy camper right now. I'm supposed to be driving to New Orleans next week but I'm in the zone for Irma. So, what Pat said.

Sep 7, 2017, 11:25am

Be safe, Nikki.

Sep 7, 2017, 11:30am

On the upside, I bought myself a good portable generator this year.

Sep 8, 2017, 7:47pm

Be safe, all of you in the path of Irma, and Jose and Katia I think its called. Yikes.....

Sep 10, 2017, 2:49pm

Yes, be safe and keep in touch if you can. We're watching CNN practically all day to keep tabs on the storm.

On a different note, I'm looking for ideas for a good spooky read for October. Any suggestions?

Sep 10, 2017, 3:20pm

Maybe this one, April:

by Sarah Waters

Any of those fires close to you?

Editado: Sep 13, 2017, 1:13am

Next week Jim and I hie ourselves to Quebec to spend a week in the Eastern Townships southeast of Montreal. Louise Penny mystery fans will recognize this as the stomping grounds for her series. Staying at Manoir Hovey which featues pseudonymously in some of her books.

I enjoyed the first two in the series but wearied quickly thereafter. We're going there for the fall foliage, gardens, lake view and indulgent lallygagging. Plus, fine dining, the restaurant is highly regarded. OK, ok, quaint villages and death by bucolicness as well.
Friends from Brooklyn will meet us there so we'll be with bosom buddies.

Sep 17, 2017, 5:33pm

So I'm in New Orleans for SIBA's annual trade show (SP was here all weekend as well!) -- a week filled with authors and publishers and boxes and boxes of free review copies for the fall list. There's so much stuff that I spend more energy trying to avoid taking ARCs than asking for them.

So what do I do when the show floor closes? Walk down to Faulkner House Books and buy more books.

Can I just say, I love that bookstore -- its shelves look exactly like I want my own home library to look some day. But I don't understand how they make any money, even in the middle of the French Quarter.

Dic 10, 2017, 8:34pm

Not sure where to ask this (we need a chat thread) Reading about the fire in Santa Barbara county and wondered if anyone was in touch with Lynn R. Hope all is well for her and her family

Dic 10, 2017, 9:40pm

I'm in touch with her. She's OK—not directly in the path of any of the fires and she hasn't been evacuated. But she says they've all been wearing breather masks and even her little dog Vinnie's eyes are red. It sounds terrible out there.