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1SPRankin
Nov 11, 2016, 10:13am

Who's turned a page, started a new chapter, or gone out of print altogether?

2cindydavid4
Nov 11, 2016, 12:08pm

Damn - the year started with losing Bowie, and now Cohen. Just a horrible year for fav musicians and actors (Alan Rickman)

3lisapeet
Nov 11, 2016, 12:26pm

When the last album was released and the media was suddenly flooded with Leonard Cohen articles, I was sure for a few hours there that he had died. So my mourning mechanism was in process, a little, and I'm not totally unsurprised. I am sad, though (my sad mechanism is most definitely in process right now).

I feel like they're going to announce Joni Mitchell any minute.

4alans
Nov 11, 2016, 12:33pm

And I'm still in the middle of David Remnick's article about Cohen. never been a fan though although I send my sympathy.

5SPRankin
Nov 11, 2016, 12:36pm

>3 lisapeet: Oh dear, I was thinking the exact same thing yesterday.

6Stenhammar
Nov 11, 2016, 11:30pm

Robert Vaughn, who will eternally be Napoleon Solo.

7karenwall
Nov 12, 2016, 4:46pm

My friend/cousin Brenda and I loved The Man From Uncle though we couldn't follow the plots. I think McCallum is still alive, right?

8Stenhammar
Nov 12, 2016, 9:37pm

Yes, McCallum plays the pathologist on NCIS.

9laurenbufferd
Nov 13, 2016, 7:47pm

Leon Russell. So sad about that.

10alans
Nov 14, 2016, 1:36pm

About a year ago I was catching up on Bookballoon so I went back years to read Milestones and the number of famous people who had died over the years-some I didn't even know about-just stunned me.
It was quite the experience reading all of those names and people's sadness with the passing of all of
those famous people.

11southernbooklady
Nov 14, 2016, 2:43pm

12SPRankin
Nov 14, 2016, 2:47pm

I'm really sad about this.

13karenwall
Nov 14, 2016, 2:48pm

I just came here to post this.

14pagesturned
Nov 14, 2016, 4:49pm

She was way too young.

15lisapeet
Nov 14, 2016, 5:52pm

It's really hard not to construct a narrative around that one, if you know what I mean. What a shame.

16mkunruh
Nov 14, 2016, 7:27pm

> 15 I do. I've been constructing one myself as well.

17mkunruh
Nov 14, 2016, 7:28pm

I do. I've been constructing one myself as well

18laurenbufferd
Nov 14, 2016, 10:10pm

What, that the election of Trump is what killed her? Totally plausible.

19lisapeet
Editado: Nov 14, 2016, 10:11pm

Yeah, that she just gave up the fight. I could see it.

20karenwall
Editado: Nov 16, 2016, 10:52am

I am glad to hear I'm not the only one who considered this.

21cindydavid4
Nov 16, 2016, 9:26am

I have wondered this.

22AprilAdamson
Nov 16, 2016, 4:03pm

I'm very sad to hear about Gwen Ifill. A class act.

23lisapeet
Nov 18, 2016, 9:52pm

Aw shit, Mose Allison. I was just thinking of "Everybody's Crying Mercy," too.

24DG_Strong
Nov 18, 2016, 10:07pm

and now Sharon Jones

25lisapeet
Nov 18, 2016, 10:14pm

Oh man, I knew she had cancer a while back. That's too young.

And I just posted on FB wondering who's going to remix that Righteous Brothers song "Rock'n'Roll Heaven" for 2016... that will teach me to try and be humorous when it's clearly end times. Fuck.

26Nancy_Sirvent
Nov 18, 2016, 11:26pm

Sharon Jones died? Oh, that's just sad and awful. I am so sorry about that.

27southernbooklady
Nov 21, 2016, 7:20pm

A man who wrote more beautifully in the English language than pretty much anyone else in the world has just died.

William Trevor

28alans
Nov 21, 2016, 7:49pm

Very sad,he was one of the best.

29lisapeet
Nov 21, 2016, 8:34pm

Ohh, he had such a beautiful voice. He'll be missed.

30southernbooklady
Nov 23, 2016, 8:15pm

Willie Rogers, oldest surviving member of the Tuskegee Airmen

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/willie-rogers-oldest-surviving-original-tuskegee-air...

31DG_Strong
Nov 25, 2016, 6:53am

32alans
Nov 25, 2016, 10:34am

I saw Florence Henderson perform in Las Vegas when I was fourteen. I had known her only from the Brady Bunch but she was a beautiful singer.

34Cara_DB
Nov 26, 2016, 10:33pm

You know, I didn't see too many people on Facebook saying "Fuck 2016" in conjunction with posts about Castro's death. (Not that I'm unhappy he died or anything. It's more that I've seen a lot of "fuck this year" than i remember having seen for a while.)

35cindydavid4
Editado: Nov 27, 2016, 5:52am

I think its because it was pretty expected it was going to happen soon. The others were such shocks - too too young, too many at once. And they were part of our growing up. I suspect those who grew up knowing and being affected by Castro would feel differently.

36LyddieO
Nov 27, 2016, 2:24pm

Castro's death was a bit like Abe Vigoda's. There had been so many false alarms that when I heard it this time, my first thought was, are you sure?

37lisapeet
Nov 27, 2016, 6:38pm

You know, I didn't see too many people on Facebook saying "Fuck 2016" in conjunction with posts about Castro's death.

Plus a lot of people just plain hated him. He was no Prince.

38LuRits
Nov 28, 2016, 12:16pm

I just saw something on Facebook that makes me think that Sue Russell has passed away. I didn't know Sue well personally but I'm wondering if someone here can confirm or deny. I know she's been quite ill for some time.

39laurenbufferd
Nov 28, 2016, 12:50pm

Same here, LuAnn. I am going to reach out to her partner later today if I don't hear anything before.

Very very sad.

40DG_Strong
Nov 28, 2016, 12:54pm

That's how I read it, too, LuAnn.

41lisapeet
Nov 28, 2016, 1:01pm

Yeah. Damn it.

42cindydavid4
Nov 28, 2016, 7:36pm

Just saw this on FB, Im assuming its ok to post here?

Hello friends, this is Lynne Maxwell posting for Sue Russell, my partner of 27 years.
I wanted to let you know that Sue passed away yesterday, November 27th in the afternoon. As you probably know, Sue was diagnosed with a rare aggressive I cancer approximately approximately 4 1/2 years ago, and has been doing her best to live life in the face of death. Recently the tumors proliferated and Sue became increasingly week. After five days in home hospice, she's succumbed suddenly.
I wanted you all to know how your support mattered. Thanks all from Sue and from me.
Requiescat in pacem.
May her memory be a blessing
A celebration of Sue's life to be held this spring. Informal shiva held this Wednesday night at seven, 718 S. Mildred St., Philadelphia at the home of Jeff Lesser. Thanks all

43JulieCarter
Nov 29, 2016, 2:45pm

That's very sad. Sue was one of the 3 people from Readerville/Book Balloon that I've actually met in person. I really enjoyed knowing her.

44Cara_DB
Nov 29, 2016, 3:01pm

That's so sad. I didn't know her at all well, but she seemed like a wonderful person.

45karenwall
Editado: Nov 30, 2016, 2:33pm

Yes, Sue came to Dallas in 2009 and Julie and David Weiner and I had dinner with her, I picked her up at her hotel. Two days later we had lunch and then went to the Sixth Floor Museum, which I'd never been to in spite of having worked across the street. She sent me three volumes of short stories as a thank you. I knew she'd been sick but didn't realize it was this serious. I'm trying to remember her RV name.

Yes, fuck 2016.

46lisapeet
Editado: Nov 29, 2016, 10:08pm

We hung out a few times—I know Janet L and I went to go hear her sing in midtown one time, and I think she and Lynne were at my Readerville party in 2005, though maybe they came over a different time. And we corresponded about what we were reading, and she reviewed for my old blog... Sue was someone I enjoyed having in my life. I'll really miss her.

47cindydavid4
Nov 29, 2016, 10:57pm

Karen, I think she used her real name in RV. And yeah Lisa I need to contact Janet - she'd want to know, thanks for the reminder

48laurenbufferd
Nov 30, 2016, 10:08am

Man, if anyone could get Janet L back on the site, they would be my hero!

Sue and her partner were here way back , as DG mentioned above, we took them to the Opry. But I also saw Sue when I was in Philadelphia three years ago; we had a wonderful breakfast together at the Reading Terminal. We swapped many books over the years too. I feel so sad.

49lisapeet
Nov 30, 2016, 1:21pm

I've written Janet to let her know—and if I hear back, I'll steer her this way.

50cindydavid4
Nov 30, 2016, 6:46pm

She could sure use some good will and cheering up, so if you are able to, do so pls :)

I tried to get her back in, just not interested but maybe a few of could nudge her a bit

BTW where is lynn r and Pat D ?

51Nancy_Sirvent
Nov 30, 2016, 9:20pm

>I think she and Lynne were at my Readerville party in 2005

Yes, Lisa, they were. I remember because it was the first time I met them. Also, there was a gathering at the top of the Marriott Times Square when I was staying there on business. I think it was me, you, Sue R, JanetL, Sue O'D, Nan, and Susanne D (Remember her? She's written a bunch of books since then). I recall that Sue came with a pile of sheet music that she had just purchased at that old music store.

I'm sad that she's gone.

52alans
Dic 1, 2016, 1:38pm

In today's Times, an obit for Grant Tinker. If you grew up in the seventies, Grant was *the* man.

53AprilAdamson
Dic 1, 2016, 7:18pm

I'm so sorry to hear about Sue. I just caught up with the news. Thanks for letting us know.

54southernbooklady
Dic 14, 2016, 9:57am

Hell and damnation. Shirely Hazzard

55LuRits
Dic 14, 2016, 12:14pm

Son of a bitch - this year sux!

56cindydavid4
Editado: Dic 14, 2016, 10:00pm

Lost a dear colleague this week to lung cancer. Been in the district as long as I have, started out as an interpreter at the school where I taught. Hit it off right away. Soon became the director of the interpreting program for the district, responsible for having interpreters available for all of our HI kids out in mainstream classes. A warm, kind, geniune woman who could manage unruly teens, uncooperative gen ed teachers, and demanding parents with patience and humor (and later would tell us what she really thought....). She was always around; then she retired last year, and we all felt the hole that was left behind. Her replacement has big shoes to fill. They just got bigger. Rest in Peace Deb. We'll all be at the park celebrating your life on Saturday. Theres a lot to celebrate.

57southernbooklady
Dic 14, 2016, 10:08pm

So sorry, Cindy.

58lisapeet
Dic 14, 2016, 10:58pm

Cindy, my sympathies. She sounds like a wonderful person and coworker.

59LuRits
Dic 15, 2016, 8:42am

Sorry for your loss, Cindy.

60SPRankin
Dic 15, 2016, 9:02am

She sounds like a wonderful person, Cindy.

61AprilAdamson
Dic 16, 2016, 10:01pm

Oh, Cindy, that's just so wrong. I'm so sorry to hear this. She sounds like a great lady.

62southernbooklady
Dic 18, 2016, 5:55pm

63Nancy_Sirvent
Dic 18, 2016, 6:19pm

Wow. She must have been 110 years old.

64Bookmarque
Dic 18, 2016, 6:32pm

99 - almost as old as Kirk Douglas.

65alans
Dic 18, 2016, 6:59pm

Was Zsa Zsa famous for anything more than being on the Merv Griffin show constantly?

66LyddieO
Dic 18, 2016, 7:16pm

She was in the movie Gigi, and guest starred on Mr. Ed.!

67cindydavid4
Dic 18, 2016, 7:32pm

Thanks guys. The memorial was outside, and natch, the coldest day so far for us this seaon....We were all bundled up, watching videos of Debs life, telling stories. Their minister talked for a while. It was good to see so many people there; old home town day for some of us oldies. Sad that it takes this to get us all together. RIP

68cindydavid4
Dic 18, 2016, 7:33pm

Re Zsa Zsa and her sister - were they the precursors to the Kardashians? I got the sense that they were famous for being famous. and rich.

69DG_Strong
Dic 18, 2016, 8:39pm

Zsa Zsa was also in the John Huston Moulin Rouge, the one with Jose Ferrer as Toulouse Lautrec. It's a good movie -- really an overlooked Huston movie, as far as I'm concerned -- and she's very good in it.

It was one of the highlights of my project of watching every John Huston movie last year.

70lynn_r
Dic 18, 2016, 11:19pm

I was at the Beverly Hills courthouse when she was on trial for slapping a cop. I can't remember the details but Eldon Fox (the DDA) was a really no-nonsense kind of guy and he almost had a nervous breakdown from her. I remember there was a problem because she kept obliterating her DOB on her driver's license.

71DG_Strong
Dic 20, 2016, 5:48pm

I would be disappointed if any of those details DIDN'T happen!

72lynn_r
Editado: Dic 20, 2016, 7:31pm

I wish I remembered more. I do remember that she wore the most amazing dresses with the puffiest sleeves and she kept inviting everyone over to her house for lunch and she kept giving Eldon advice on what suits he should wear and the whole thing made him crazy.

I mean it wasn't like he was trying the Night Stalker, but it did get a lot of publicity and he just couldn't get her to take any of it seriously.

The very best stories I have are all from the Beverly Hills courthouse - it's just a different world I tell you.

73SPRankin
Dic 20, 2016, 9:35pm

In what form would you like the bribe that will induce you to share every one of your Beverly Hills courthouse stories?

74lisapeet
Dic 20, 2016, 10:29pm

Sounds like Zsa Zsa took her role as Zsa Zsa to heart. What a great moment in history to have witnessed! (And yeah, I'd pay good money to hear more.)

75cindydavid4
Dic 21, 2016, 5:25am

>73 SPRankin: something tells me it will involve lots of books.

76lynn_r
Dic 21, 2016, 12:32pm

I only have a second. Let me tell you a few funny things without naming names.

Wealthy celebrities and just some of the wives in general shoplifted like crazy because they were just plain bored or their psychiatrists would come in with a bunch of psychobabble explanations why they shouldn't be held responsible (At that time BH had more psychiatrists per capita than anywhere else.) And these women would often beg for public defenders since they didn't want their husbands to find out.

It was the only place where I would get phone calls from victims on the day of preliminary hearings (usually for theft) telling me that they couldn't make it to court that day because they were having their nails done or their astrologer said it was a bad day for them. I mean they didn't even realize how ridiculous that sounded.

Another story, a group of very indignant ladies with their Chanel and Gucci purses march into my office demanding that their neighbor be arrested. I politely asked who he was and what he did and explained that they first should call the police if they were reporting a crime and not come straight to the DA's office. That didn't even slow them down. They proceeded to tell me their complaint. Apparently one of the houses on Sunset Blvd. had just been bought by a son of a Sultan from Brunei (or some place like that) and he had painted pubic hair on all the statues in the front of his house. I then told them that this was a civil matter and we couldn't help them. They were not happy. Incidentally I did drive by that place and it was hilarious - his father found out and made him move home when the house was featured in some local newspaper .

It was also a very white populace and I can't tell you the number of times I would ask (older) witnesses on the stand to point out the defendant in court only to have them point out the poor black bailiff standing behind the council table.

It was just a different place. The people there loved their police department who in turn loved them back. Every year there was the annual Black and White Ball for the cops and it was a big deal. I don't know whether it was just living in this bubble or just feeling so entitled but you never knew what to expect when you worked there. So the whole Zsa Zsa thing wasn't that rare an experience - it just happened to be caught on camera.

Gotta run.

77southernbooklady
Dic 21, 2016, 12:46pm

>76 lynn_r: It was just a different place.

Actually, that sounds like an awful place.

78laurenbufferd
Dic 21, 2016, 12:54pm

Oh god, Lynn, I need you to write a book so very badly.

79SPRankin
Dic 21, 2016, 12:54pm

Thank you, Lynn. The statue story just made 2016 suck a tiny bit less.

80DG_Strong
Dic 21, 2016, 4:31pm

That pubic hair on the statues thing is famous -- I think it was a big story in Vanity Fair; I remember the photos.

81lisapeet
Dic 21, 2016, 5:29pm

Damn, I knew I should have taken advantage of that $5 Vanity Fair subscription. That is so weirdly wonderful. Like adult coloring books but better.

82cindydavid4
Editado: Dic 25, 2016, 9:16pm

George Michaels

http://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/singer-george-michael-dead-53-n700031

This year better end quickly, I don't think we can afford to lose too many more singers....

83cindydavid4
Dic 25, 2016, 9:19pm

Interesting article: why are so many celebrities dying i 2016?

http://www.mirror.co.uk/3am/celebrity-news/many-celebrities-dying-2016-george-95...

84southernbooklady
Dic 27, 2016, 4:30pm

One more:

Carrie Fisher

85lisapeet
Dic 27, 2016, 5:30pm

I am really heartbroken at this last one--she was such a great role model for big-mouthed second-act broads with colorful pasts, outspoken about mental illness and addiction and body image and funny as shit. There aren't that many celebrities that I honestly care about, but I'm so sad she in particular is gone. I hope her little dog Gary is OK.

86cindydavid4
Dic 27, 2016, 8:51pm

Been playing Paul Simon's Greatest, to listen to the songs he wrote for her, esp Hearts and Bones. So young, so damn sad.

87mkunruh
Dic 28, 2016, 2:24pm

>85 lisapeet: Me too Lisa -- she felt like a friend, even though she wasn't (obviously). She was outspoken in ways that most of us aren't and yet warm and open and lovely. Oddly, I'm crying as I write this. I want to see her kick her shoes off, curl up on an interview chair, apologize (in advance) for embarrassing her daughter, and chat with whomever is interviewing her.

88lynn_r
Dic 28, 2016, 9:05pm

Wow, Debbie Reynolds.

89mkunruh
Dic 28, 2016, 9:21pm

I know! We were going to watch Singing in the rain today, but were side tracked. Tomorrow.

90karenwall
Editado: Dic 28, 2016, 9:36pm

Since I watched the TCM Remembers segment two days ago Fisher and Reynolds both gone. Unbelievable. Yeah, I loved Fisher, more for her interviews than her movies or books.

91cindydavid4
Dic 29, 2016, 6:16am

Not sure if this was mentioned yet

To Sir With Love author ER Braithwaite

https://www.theguardian.com/books/2016/dec/14/to-sir-with-love-author-er-braithw...

This was a seminal book for me in jr hi, one that definitely influenced my decision to be a teacher. I had no idea of his background - in fact probably associate it with Poitier, who played the lead in the movie, forgetting who wrote the darn thing.

BTW a rather comprehensive list of the artists and famous people we lost this year

http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/2016-year-in-review/look-back-all-famous-figure...

92laurenbufferd
Dic 29, 2016, 12:49pm

I feel sad about DR but not surprised. I think it must be so hard to see your children go before you. Upsets the natural order of things for a parent.

93karenwall
Dic 29, 2016, 4:37pm

Watched Wishful Drinking again. That stretcher and ambulance bit at the end was creepy. I really enjoyed it though. And now I feel obliged to watch the last SW movie, something I hadn't cared about before. I'm going to have to read up on the plots though. I never saw the second trilogy.

94SPRankin
Dic 29, 2016, 8:31pm

As long as you're straight on who the main characters are, you're good to go. And you for SURE don't need to watch the second batch to get this one.

95Stenhammar
Dic 29, 2016, 11:08pm

I have a question, but first I need people to read something. So here goes:

"Evacuate! Everyone evacuate right now!"

Queen Emerald Jewelclaw, for once in her life, wanted never to see her home ever again.

Flames danced, killing whatever plant was in his path. The ancient god sent sparks flying. Cackle, cackle. Snarl! The fire God, Flames, threatened to destroy the giant Crystalwing city.

"Curse you, Flames!" shouted Emerald. "And," thought Emerald, "Curse you Angel!" The Crystalwing god Angel had betrayed the tribe. The WHOLE tribe.

Just then, a guard hurried up. "Your Majesty. The packing of your gems has finished."

"WHAT?" yelled Emerald. "I only said: Everyone, bring your eggs, and family! Thats all I really want from you!" "Then," she said, "But if my treasure is all packed up, you can bring it."

Quickly, the guard ran off to tell General Opal Starstorm. He left Emerald Jewelclaw back to wondering, "Why was there a forestfire? There are never fires in the tropics."

And that was how it all began.

This is the prologue to a piece my 8-year old is writing. I've cleaned up a little of her spelling, but nothing else. Is it my imagination, or does she write much better than you average 8-year old?

When I asked her about the bit regarding Queen Emerald's gems, for example, she said she wanted to show the Queen seemed good, but was greedy. Do kids of her age know that they can suggest things with their writing without actually spelling them out?

In the past, she has described the actions of characters well before actually telling us WHO they are? I don't remember doing that when I wrote things in elementary school. But, I could be mistaken.

So, I have to ask: What do people think? (And, it's OK to say NO. I won't take offense.)

96lisapeet
Dic 29, 2016, 11:22pm

She writes like a kid who reads a LOT. Which is to say yes, it's really good. Bookwormy kids are such sponges—I was one of those too.

97Stenhammar
Dic 29, 2016, 11:45pm

That's sort of how I see it, lisa. Nothing she's written is original, per se, but she's shown a willingness to try out a LOT of things which I assume she's read somewhere or the other. What's especially impressive to me is that she's only really taken to writing in the last year or so. Prior to that, she insisted she hated writing! So, a lot of stuff has stuck.

98cindydavid4
Editado: Dic 30, 2016, 12:25pm

99cdcoleman
Dic 30, 2016, 2:11pm

Folks on Facebook are saying that Judith Ortiz Cofer died this morning.

100AprilAdamson
Dic 30, 2016, 3:47pm

Sten, I'm a retired second-grade teacher. Your daughter is certainly doing better writing than the average second-grader. It does look as if she is a child who is a reader and is trying out forms that she has seen. It's not unusual for children to copy formats from books they've read, but she is doing things that are unusual for that age. I'm also impressed by her punctuation and capitalization. Her use of quotation marks alone is significant. Bravo!

101lynn_r
Dic 31, 2016, 6:04pm

Hey Sten, is this the same little girl, who at age three, suggested making soccer more interesting by setting fire to the ball?

103Stenhammar
Ene 1, 2017, 9:29pm

Yes. I'd forgotten that, Lynn. It's still a good idea, though!

104Pat_D
Ene 3, 2017, 8:45am

I'm giving her an A+ just for the name "Queen Emerald Jewelclaw."

105Stenhammar
Ene 3, 2017, 9:38am

Thanks, Pat. One of her favorite things to do is to make lists of all the characters that will be in her stories. (Though, sometimes she doesn't actually finish said stories!) Many of them have great names.

106karenwall
Ene 3, 2017, 5:06pm

>94 SPRankin: That's good to know.

107Cara_DB
Ene 3, 2017, 10:19pm

Sten, that's definitely a cut above what I remember writing in second grade - I don't think you're being too biased in your thinking.

108southernbooklady
Ene 4, 2017, 8:52am

John Berger

His is a voice that has been with me for much of my reading life. When I used to take art classes at the Albright Knox back in high school, I would always buy a book from the museum shop while I was there. About Looking was one of the first. So in a weird way I associate him with Motherwell and Rothko, because I began reading it on the bench in the room that had their works displayed.

109LuRits
Ene 4, 2017, 1:00pm

I'm not sure I've ever read anything by him. Have you tried his fiction, Niki? What would you recommend?

110Kat.Warren
Ene 4, 2017, 1:09pm

LuAnn, my favorite Berger is King: A Street Story:

King: A Street Story by John Berger
Link: http://a.co/9WZmCYq

111LuRits
Ene 4, 2017, 1:17pm

Danke, doll!

112southernbooklady
Ene 8, 2017, 12:23pm

So. Nat Hentoff.

Complicated guy.

113laurenbufferd
Ene 8, 2017, 1:49pm

I love that he died listening to Billie Holiday. I am hoping the same for myself.

114alans
Ene 8, 2017, 6:12pm

I was just recently thinking of picking up his memoirs.
The golden age of The Village Voice,how the mighty have fallen.

115lisapeet
Ene 8, 2017, 6:28pm

I read him endlessly in the heyday of the Voice, when I was a teen and in my 20s. Such a gadfly, but he pulled it off.

116alans
Ene 10, 2017, 10:19pm

Remember when he defended nazis marching in Skokie? That was classic.

117laurenbufferd
Ene 11, 2017, 1:10pm

He believed in freedom of speech. I think it's ok. Just as our right to protest their marching was.

118JulieCarter
Ene 11, 2017, 2:45pm

I think I killed him. The first time I can remember hearing of him was the day before he died! On Facebook, during a discussion on Gary's page about atheists who oppose abortion. I asked what his view actually was (all I could find was stuff about the slippery slope and infanticide), and the next day he was dead. Sorry. (I also accidentally killed Princess Diana and Tom Landry.)

119alans
Ene 11, 2017, 10:38pm

That means it is cool for the klan to march and burn crosses in predominantly black neighbourhoods? I think in a civil society there has to be limits to what is considered free speech. Christians celebrating outside the cemetery during the funerals of victims of The Pulse massacre thought it was their right to speak up,their free speech.
Here in wonderful Canada we have laws that prohibit this type of free speech. We also have strict laws about gun controls. But down south, Americans are so obsessed with their right to free speech and their right to bear arms that everyone is either trampling over one another or killing one another. I'm happy we have laws against hateful speech up here. Nazis marching in a predominantly Jewish neighbourhood where there was probably a high percentage of Holocaust survivors living at the time is not kosher.

120southernbooklady
Editado: Ene 11, 2017, 11:08pm

>119 alans: I think in a civil society there has to be limits to what is considered free speech.

This is generally when actual harm is understood to be imminent. In the US it is illegal to make a death threat, for example, although even here such speech is judged according to the likelihood that it will be actually carried out. Another example of limitations on speech are laws against fraud. You can't lie to people about something you are doing or selling or a service you are providing, and claim free speech. That is regarded as a breach of contract. So you can't put "GMO free" on your food label if the product is not, in fact, GMO free.

Otherwise, anything goes, pretty much. Nazis are free to march, and everyone else is free to protest them.

121Nancy_Sirvent
Ene 11, 2017, 11:15pm

I completely believe and value the right to free speech in the US. The gun thing, not so much.

122alans
Ene 12, 2017, 6:34am

I apologize for my very aggressive post last night. I know that the people in this forum are very progressive and that all of you as a nation are going through a very scary and troubling time. Even though we don't have to live in your country Canadians are very afraid and sickened by what is happening down there. It is too much and the never ending violence is also very upsetting and way too much to handle and understand. I really hope I didn't offend or antoginise anyone,like all of you I am afraid of what is coming down the road.
I work for the largest university in Canada and since the election inquiiries bout admissions here has risen 75% over the same time last year. The information hotline for immigration crashed the night after the election. Of course you can't desert your homes and your families and your jobs but the future looks very frightening. Good luck to all!

123cindydavid4
Ene 12, 2017, 8:23am

no apologies nec at least for me. It is a difficult subject - I remember the Nazi march in Skokie, when the ACLU defended their freedom to march among that large Jewish community. I remember being really upset, until my dad said once you remove someone's right, you give them the ability to do the same. Its a two edge sword, and unfortunately there are groups that push it passed human decency.

We have a group here, some Baptist group that disrupts funerals of all things. SCOTUS agreed they could - but that didn't stop people from becoming 'angels', with huge cardboard wings that when the stood together were able to separate them from the mourners. So there are ways to fight back.

124southernbooklady
Ene 12, 2017, 8:39am

No apologies for me either -- there's a difference between "aggressive" and "passionate" and I appreciate it when people aren't willing to sacrifice the latter to avoid the former.

I am with Cindy about the gun thing though. I find it impossible to understand owning a gun as a "human right."

I think where the US falters in terms of free speech is not it its "everything is allowed" attitude, but in the fact that with the freedom to speak comes a demand for accountability and responsibility. We can say whatever we want, but are aghast when we are held accountable for what we say. We can listen to whatever we want, but never seem to grasp that it is our own responsibility to think about what we hear, assess it, judge it, decide whether it is worth paying attention to. There are people in this country -- enough of them to elect Trump president -- whose idea of a political discussion is a twitter storm.

We all want the freedom to speak, but few of us want the responsibility of having to really listen. It's a kind of collective wilfull ignorance that I don't forgive.

125Stenhammar
Editado: Ene 12, 2017, 10:10am

I'm with you, southernbooklady.

To a certain extent, I kinda wish the Founding Fathers had also included a Bill of Responsibilities in the Constitution. I'm all for freedom, but because we live in a society NO action we take comes without consequences for others. And, thus, our freedoms are inextricably bound to those of others which means we must always be aware of our responsibility to others.

126mkunruh
Ene 12, 2017, 10:54am

Alan, do you work at U of T (I work at the U of Manitoba)?

Canada has free speech "within reasonable limits." There's a reason why we're all so "polite." :) How those limits are defined is the catch. I'm a free speech person, including the right for asshole KKK to march because the shoe could be on the other foot, easily enough. Streep's, fairly mild speech, and the outrage that followed, is a good example of this. I'll also chime in that that Canada was on edge of where you are for the past 8 years, when we had Harper as Prime Minister, so we're pretty freaked out too.

Sten, I like the Bill of Responsibilities idea.

127alans
Ene 12, 2017, 11:33am

Yes Miriam, I'm at Toronto-33 years. I was actually in Winnipeg in October for a convention and wanted to visit the University of Manitoba but I was told it is quite a distance from downtown.
On topic-the Museum of Human Rights in Winnipeg is just overwhelming, moving and very very disturbing-in a very informative light.If any of you can get to Winnipeg this museum is a must to visit.
Not only is it architecturally stunning on the outside and inside, but the exhibits and the history of atrocities against people in Canada and around the world over the centuries is just very painful
to see. But its a hopeful museum and just fantastic. Miriam, I was staying at a hotel right across the very busy street from the museum.I am so happy I got to see it...totally made the trip worthwhile. I of course also visited the corner where the general strike took place about a century ago. I am a big union man and was in town for a national union conference. The national union
is having it's national conference in two years in Winnipeg to commemorate the Winnipeg Strike.

128SPRankin
Ene 12, 2017, 11:35am

I keep saying if I were a billionaire, I would fund a full-time civics teacher for every single school in the country--especially for elementary schools. One of the most acutely dismaying things for me in the last few months is the depth of general ignorance about how our government actually functions, or is supposed to function.

129karenwall
Ene 12, 2017, 12:15pm

Isn't that the truth, including someone at the top who doesn't even know what he can or can't do.

130LolaWalser
Ene 12, 2017, 1:22pm

I'd rather not enter a full-fledged discussion about the American idea of "free speech" but I must point out that the European bans (where they--still--exist) of Nazi insignia etc. are generally based on the notion that their display, support of etc. compound crimes already committed, well-known, and extremely grievous. That they don't constitute "just" some theoretical threat and malodorous ideology, but actual harm.

Americans didn't suffer what Continental Europeans did in the WWII. It may be as simple as that; at any rate, I always thought of that element as at least a partial excuse for American attitudes. I was born long after the war but its effects were still so felt, so omnipresent (and still are) the idea that any country could allow a Nazi march through a Jewish neighbourhood makes my blood boil. (It's not news per se--I was living in Manhattan when, for example, the KKK came to protest.)

And, frankly, after the triumph of the absolute worst in American society, can we really be completely confident about the strength of American antifascist strain? My very first impressions of the US were of a savage, and ironically, totalitarian country, with the most vulgar, jingoistic nationalism and capitalist consumerism constituting the unassailable ("or else") all-American party line. That was in 1992. Quarter of a century later, I can't even muster the words to express how it impresses me now.

Apologies for going on, I just wanted to note that considering Nazism and one ordinary citizen's verbal critique so oblique it doesn't even name its subject under some umbrella category doesn't make sense.

131tpc_real
Ene 12, 2017, 1:32pm

>.... depth of general ignorance about how our government actually functions, or is supposed to function.

Here's the thing .... the way that Congress, for example, is supposed to function ... by Constitution and by tradition ... is not the way that it actually functions in recent years. I could bore you with details but I'd like to keep my boring posts to a minimum.

So you could teach all the civics you want, but the PRACTICE of government is so different than the textbook examples.

132southernbooklady
Ene 12, 2017, 1:40pm

>130 LolaWalser: Americans didn't suffer what Continental Europeans did in the WWII. It may be as simple as that; at any rate, I always thought of that element as at least a partial excuse for American attitudes.

And perhaps a partial explanation for why Nazi anti-semitic rhetoric is not taboo in this country, but KKK white-supremecist rhetoric is.

133LolaWalser
Ene 12, 2017, 2:12pm

>132 southernbooklady:

Not to argue, but I wouldn't say that was the case in Louisiana then, and I don't know how taboo it can be today, given what just won the presidency, and what Trump and his side have already started doing.

But in any case, that difference, if real, would be another thing showing how nonsensical are the usual American constructs of "free speech".

134alans
Ene 12, 2017, 2:35pm

In response to the need to teach young people about American government- a childhood friend of mine has been a professor of American Government in Mass. for over thirty years now. We are
rarely in touch but I sent him a new year's greeting and commented on what a wild year it has been for the U.S. elections (from a very young age he was obsessed with the primary system and a huge McGovern fan). He wrote back that he just doesn't have the feeling to do his job anymore, or to pursue his field. He feels so defeated and depressed by the entire political situation that he doesn't know how he can continue teaching. It was a very disturbing response because I know he loves his job and his students love him too based on their ratings,but he sounded very very sad.

135cindydavid4
Editado: Ene 14, 2017, 8:28am

SP, I remember having to pass a civics class before we could graduate 8th grade. Loved the class (helped that the teacher was dynamic and made it all very interesting). Im constantly amazed how few people seem to know how our government works (or at least is supposed to) When and why did civics stop being taught? Its soooo necessary now, more so than ever before.

And teep, I agree with you about the ideal versus reality in how govt works. But people need to know what the ideal is, for them to work to make it somewhat reality at least.

>134 alans: That is so sad - I bet he's discouraged. BTW there was a cartoon a while back in the NYer that struck home with me: two professor type guys sitting in an office - one says 'those who forget history are condemned to repeat it', the other replies 'those who remember history are condemned to watch others repeat it sigh

>130 LolaWalser:
I was born long after the war but its effects were still so felt, so omnipresent (and still are) the idea that any country could allow a Nazi march through a Jewish neighbourhood makes my blood boil. (It's not news per se--I was living in Manhattan when, for example, the KKK came to protest.)

I totally get that gut reaction - the idea of it repulses me still, but Ive also been taught how slippery a slope it is to stop someones right to free speech. I do think you are right about WWII in Europe versus US - which partly accounts for the difference in attitude. And yet - even with the strict laws you have in Europe, the Nazis and their ilk seem to be making a comeback. ....

Re our recent election - what gets me is that every single thing that Trump did or said that was offensive, would have been by itself enough to boot any other candidate off the political stage (remember Dean's supposed anger when he celebrated his win? Or when McGovern's VP choice had to back off because he had treatment for mental illness?) The media kept reporting each one, and for each there was a huge backlash. But it didn't seem to matter - it was like the flood gates somehow were opened and nothing he said could cause the gates to close. I dunno - maybe the habits of posting on internet and social media have let down barriers, maybe the msm constant news is keeping people from paying attention to what is happening? What I do know is that I have never been more fearful for our future than I am now.

136lisapeet
Ene 14, 2017, 10:26am

Agreed, the loss of civics class really has harmed the fabric of the country... my god I sound like an old fart, but it's true. I never took civics class in my hippie high school and really regretted it later on, when I had to educate myself about how government works (and imagined all the folks who just wouldn't bother). To climb back up on my usual soapbox, this is a role that some libraries are stepping into, offering free civics classes and workshops, and I really support them doing more of this. If you're a library user, it wouldn't be a terrible thing to talk to your local director or branch manager and see if they have an interest in doing something like that, if they have the personnel, whatever. It can only help.

Also on libraries and Canadian human rights issues, I recently had the total honor of writing about a library in Saskatchewan that's part of the national Truth and Reconciliation movement (and I see that your school is part of this, Mir—very cool). I don't know what the nitty gritty politics of Truth and Reconciliation are like from inside, but it was interesting to research in depth something I had only the most passing knowledge about, and talk to some of the people involved.

Free speech... yeah, a slippery slope, but to me a very clear-cut one (and it probably helped me to be reading Nat Hentoff in 1978). I support the ACLU and what it stands for pretty unequivocally, even when it's ugly. I've been thinking about that because I find myself doing a lot more driving on the weekends lately and listening to more talk radio on Sundays, when the airwaves here kind of suck (really, WFUV, an entire half day of Irish music? for the past ten or whatever years, too), and I've been listening to a lot of the commentary around the trial for Dylann Roof, who murdered nine people in a South Carolina African American church in 2015 for purposes, he says, of starting a race war. There is a call for forgiveness on the part of the SC community, and then also a call for using the death penalty to draw an unyielding line in the sand to show that this is unacceptable. I'm anti-death penalty myself, at least in theory—no one I care about has ever been murdered, and if someone kicked my dog on the street I would honestly want to see them burn on the spot. But I see the point of those advocating for it in this case. But of course "in this case" is the slipperiest of slopes, so you almost have to revert to an imperfect binary yes-or-no stance—which is where I personally remain on First Amendment issues. But no, it's not always easy to stand there.

137LyddieO
Ene 15, 2017, 10:32am

In my state, public school students have to pass a Constitution test before graduating Jr. High. It may not be a proper Civics class, which I never took --at least not by that name, but students are expected to have a certain level of knowledge of federal and state government.

138cindydavid4
Ene 15, 2017, 1:06pm

We had to pass a US History and Government class in HS, no idea if thats stil the case

139SPRankin
Ene 15, 2017, 2:01pm

All of my kids took AP Government as well as AP US History and AP World History, and I think it's the most valuable part of their education.

140lisapeet
Ene 15, 2017, 2:22pm

I went to private school my entire life and got the worst damn education you ever saw. Didn't take a language after 9th grade, never took physics or anything past algebra I and geometry, and whatever the hell I was doing during World History I wasn't absorbing any of it. I consider myself a reasonably educated person at this point (other than the language and physics, that is) but it's almost all been my own doing. My son, who went to New York City public schools from kindergarten on, got a far better education than I ever did.

141southernbooklady
Ene 15, 2017, 3:46pm

I had "civics" as part of social studies in middle school, and American History in high school -- only the section was called "Government". And lisapeet -- we had to take a foreign language AND art AND physics AND calculus. And English Comp. All things considered, I had a very good education - the gaps were entirely down to lacklustre teachers, not the school curriculum or school policy. I just looked up the curriculum of my school online and everything I had to take is still there, although in my day the languages we could take were Spanish, French, and Latin, and now they seem to be Spanish, French, and Mandarin.

142southernbooklady
Ene 18, 2017, 9:36am

143Pat_D
Ene 19, 2017, 12:39pm

Warning: long post.

I'm posting here because, for me, this is a milestone.

For most of my adult life, I've fantasized about someday having a real library for all my books. My ideal went something like this: a lovely fireplace, real mahogany furniture and bookcases, a great, big, overstuffed reading chair with a big, cushy ottoman, a traditional floor lamp, a separate glassed bookcase for my Shakespeare/Elizabethan collection and treasured 1st editions, and William Morris designer fabric curtains.

Yeah, I know. Kind of boring and champagne taste with a beer pocketbook, but that's what I've always wanted.

However, thanks to my warm, generous family, and my son's muscle, I will soon be realizing this dream. Or something very close to it.

My son cleared out one of my spare bedrooms and stripped it down to bare bones. He scrubbed the walls, painted them Analytical Gray (which is an interesting color dependent upon the lighting... sometimes looks very light olive/sage green, sometimes looks gray), and replaced the baseboard trim.

The furniture: I priced solid wood bookcases and ruled those out right off the bat. However, after much searching, I was able to find five solid wood frame and shelves open bookcases. We sanded them down and stained them a beautiful mahogany. They wound up having sort of a rough-hewn look which I love. After looking hard and long, I found a separate, smaller, glass-doored, mahogany case for my Shakespeare stuff, a simple but pretty one-drawer mahogany end table with an open bottom shelf for my always present TBR stack, a custom ordered overstuffed reading chair (couldn't justify the matching ottoman price, instead found one that closely matches), and an obscenely expensive (for me) large mahogany corner desk with two file ready drawers, 4 regular sized drawers and a unique, 12" X 48" hutch with little drawers to sit on the left top surface of the desk.

I'm embarrassed to admit that I also went the designer fabric route for my curtains (I'm really not a snob that way, but I fell in love with a certain fabric), which was no small drama in price and procurement. We have no William Morris showcases in our area (the WM Web site availability was a too complicated process), but I found a British woman on Etsy willing to buy the material over there and make the curtains for me. I had her make a lumbar pillow cover first, so I could see the material and workmanship in person. Cannot wait for those to arrive.

No fireplace, though. It's a small room as libraries go, plus, it'd never get any use in Florida. I hate the light colored wood flooring in this room and wanted to replace it, but I sacrificed that for my curtains figuring I can always buy an area rug.

No pictures to share, yet. Still much to do, as I'm only now in the process of sorting out my books (stopped counting at 600+), and agonizing over how I'm going to arrange and probably purge them, still fussing over the furniture layout (despite measuring and re-measuring, and measuring some more, I'm having a hard time deciding where and how to place this huge desk), have nothing picked out for wall art, still need to replace the two closet doors, and I'm going to treat myself to a wall-mounted 4K TV and a new computer. My son keeps joking that they'll probably have to physically drag me out of the room once it's done. He's probably right.

How I would love to have a larger space to make an honest-to-goodness appropriately sized library, but this scaled down version is more than I ever expected to realize.

Please pardon the indulgence of this post, but if there's one group of people who can understand my wanting to share this, it's yous guys and gals.

144laurenbufferd
Ene 19, 2017, 1:24pm

Now THAT is a milestone. Happy face emoji here.

145southernbooklady
Ene 19, 2017, 3:14pm

damn, all that and no pictures! you book tease!

146lisapeet
Ene 19, 2017, 6:19pm

Oh, that sounds just FABULOUS. That's a good boy you got there. I love your account of how it all came together--I totally relate to the drama, the juggling of what you want vs. what you can have, and the dream itself.

But Nicki's right: you are a tease. I'm just going to sit here and tap my feet until you post photos.

147cindydavid4
Ene 19, 2017, 8:27pm

Congrats for raising such an amazing young man!! So happy for you, and yes, pictures pls!

148SPRankin
Ene 20, 2017, 12:10am

That was a nice post to read right now, Pat.

149Pat_D
Ene 20, 2017, 8:45am

Oh, there will be pics, I promise.

Bear in mind, due to my back and my son's availability, this has been a slow go.

But, yes. There will be pics (don't expect any grand House and Garden pics... remember this was once just a spare bedroom), and I won't consider it complete until I get my curtains.

150AprilAdamson
Ene 21, 2017, 7:38pm

Pat, what exciting news; I'm so happy for you. That son of yours is a keeper!

151southernbooklady
Ene 21, 2017, 8:44pm

152mkunruh
Ene 21, 2017, 10:41pm

I know. That was crappy news today.

(Pat, great milestone post. I love your library description and I'm looking forward to the pictures)

153southernbooklady
Ene 22, 2017, 4:27pm

The Tunnel Tree

No one is certain of the fallen tree’s age, but it is thought to have lived at least a thousand years. Any tribute I could give it would be fatuous; the tree was older than the language in which I can write.


154cindydavid4
Ene 22, 2017, 6:23pm

That is sad. Ive walked woods before but to walk among those trees was an experience I can't explain, but one that somehow reassured me. I like that they are going to leave the tree there, tho I suspect some people will come by to take a souvenir or two, it will be home for new trees that we will never see. I find that comforting

155DG_Strong
Ene 22, 2017, 7:25pm

Calaveras Big Trees is my favorite place in California, even more than any of the more famous glitzy parks -- it was quite easy to be alone there, which cannot be said of most other attractions in the state. When my parents moved from Lodi, I went out to drive one car back and took a day to go up to Arnold and say goodbye to Big Trees -- I did a hike to the enormous Agassiz tree and managed to encounter a bear on the trail, while I was doing all the things you are not supposed to do: eating a roast beef sandwich with my headphones on, listing to "Downtown" and not having told a soul where I was. He passed me by, though, after an alarming staredown where I tried to remember what to do. Pee in my pants was the only thing that sprang to mind.

That's sad about the tunnel tree - there are others, though, particularly on the Redwood Highway further north.

157southernbooklady
Ene 27, 2017, 8:27am

158cindydavid4
Ene 27, 2017, 9:29pm

What? No mention of Mary Tyler Moore? Sooo addicted to that show, and its spin off Rhoda. Thought she was incredible in Ordinary People (yes yes it shouldn't have won an oscar but it doesn't take away from the fact that she nailed that performance)

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/01/25/arts/television/mary-tyler-moore-dead.html

160Kat.Warren
Ene 28, 2017, 3:18am

Oh, John Hurt's death ... forgive me ... hurts.

Also, I was more Mary Hartman, Mary Hartman (MH2) than Mary Tyler Moore.

161cindydavid4
Ene 28, 2017, 3:51am

I had forgotten that Hurt was in I,Claudius as Caligula. Oh my.....

162Bookmarque
Ene 28, 2017, 3:59pm

I thought he was an outstanding Caligula. So unhinged! Oh he was great.

163mkunruh
Ene 28, 2017, 7:35pm

Oddly, for me, his most memorable performance was in the very violent Osterman Weekend. The 16-year-old was sad because he played the "War" Doctor in Dr. Who.

164Pat_D
Ene 29, 2017, 11:10am

So many fine performances, but the two I'll remember him most for are "Midnight Express" and "Love and Death on Long Island."

I remember seeing "Midnight Express" in the theater with friends because I was so freakin' affected by that movie. There were a lot of movies about drugs in the '70's, but very few of them rang true... except for "Panic in Needle Park" and "Midnight Express." Don't ask me how I know this.

I thought both Hurt and Davis deserved Oscars, and every time I hear a disparaging remark about Oliver Stone, I think to myself, "Yeah, but it was his fabulous screenplay adaptation behind ME."

John Hurt just seemed the consummate actor.

166alans
Feb 2, 2017, 11:28am

I think Mukherjee was at the forefront of writing about immigrants in North America, particularly immigrant women from India.

167laurenbufferd
Editado: Feb 2, 2017, 12:50pm

I thought her most recent books were pretty unreadable, but Jasmine is one of those perfect novels.

168DG_Strong
Feb 2, 2017, 6:32pm

Golly. The Middleman is in my top five of short story collections -- and Jasmine is really lovely.

169alans
Feb 2, 2017, 7:53pm

I also thought her short fiction was sensational. I will never get over her story about the Air India crash. I think it has to be the most horrific thing I have ever read. I think it is called The Management Of Grief,just unbelievably heart-breaking and angry.

170Pat_D
Feb 3, 2017, 8:21am

171laurenbufferd
Feb 3, 2017, 2:10pm

Oh right - yes. Short stories are excellent!

172AprilAdamson
Feb 10, 2017, 10:46pm

Portland said goodbye to Packy the asian elephant yesterday. He was born April 14, 1962 when I was 7 years old. He was a big part of the community and well loved. My brother tells me The Oregonian had him on the front page this morning and it was the lead story on the news yesterday. I know many would have zoos give up their elephants, but I'm so glad he was part of my childhood.

173tpc_real
Feb 15, 2017, 10:24am

A local treasure

Rose Joseph

http://www.oakpark.com/News/Articles/2-14-2017/Rose-Joseph,-73/

"Since its founding on Madison Street in 1984, Magic Tree has become Oak Park's community bookstore and an important resource in the Chicago metropolitan area. After the move to its present location on Oak Park Avenue, the store became well-known for its special events. A highlight was the midnight introduction of each of the Harry Potter books. Oak Park Avenue was closed to traffic for a giant block party that attracted people from around the country. The 2003 party was covered by national media including the New York Times."

174Pat_D
Feb 15, 2017, 1:40pm

Sounds like a happy life. I liked the camper-through-Europe part.

175Stenhammar
Feb 21, 2017, 10:51pm

My high school music teacher Robert Brown passed away over the weekend. He was a wonderful person who taught me many worthwhile lessons, musical and otherwise. I'm quite sure that I'm not the only one who remembers him fondly. A life well lived, I think.

176gayla.bassham
Feb 22, 2017, 6:21am

I'm sorry, Sten.

177southernbooklady
Feb 22, 2017, 9:02am

I'm sorry too, Sten. Having had one great teacher in our lives makes all the difference, doesn't it?

Here's another sad milestone: Schoenhof's Bookstore is closing its physical store after 161 years.

178tpc_real
Feb 24, 2017, 7:27am

My favorite teacher ever was my freshman in high school World History teacher. He taught at my high school for decades after I left and when I heard he had died (several years) I mentally kicked myself for never going back to visit or sending him a note to thank him for expanding my brain in such a healthy way.

179Stenhammar
Feb 24, 2017, 9:47am

Had I known that my music teacher had retired to Rhode Island, I would have made the effort to stop and visit him when I lived in Massachusetts. Tis the lot of teachers to give what they have to students, most of whom they will never see again when the leave school. Not sure I could do that.

180karenwall
Mar 6, 2017, 2:18pm

Robert Osborne. Damn.

181cindydavid4
Mar 7, 2017, 7:16am

I've been luckier than most; because many of my HI kids continue in the districts program, I still keep track of them via the teachers. Many friended me on facebook so I get to see how they all turned out. one took a picture of his diploma wall - includes his masters, bachelors, high school....and preschool! I felt so honored.

182DG_Strong
Mar 7, 2017, 8:48am

I've said it before but the Motion Picture Academy should give an honorary Oscar to TCM -- between them and Criterion, almost our entire film history is still relevant and readily available. Now Osbourne won't be around to see it, but I still hope it happens.

183southernbooklady
Mar 11, 2017, 10:43am

So this hurts me: Carol Field

Her book The Italian Baker was a big influence on me when I started to learn to bake for myself.

184laurenbufferd
Mar 11, 2017, 2:08pm

Me too. Those who knew me in the 1980s may remember an Italian cheesecake I used to make with marsala and golden raisins. It came from this marvelous cookbook.

185Nancy_Sirvent
Mar 11, 2017, 8:00pm

Paula Fox. http://www.publishersweekly.com/pw/by-topic/childrens/childrens-authors/article/...

Never read the children's books, but loved her two memoirs.

186Jjayte
Mar 11, 2017, 8:56pm

Aawwww, thanks for the link Nancy. I didn't recognize her name but remember the books.

Maurice’s Room Was a little young for me at the time but I have never stopped reading children's books. I liked that so I read everything that I saw of hers.

I have always been the kind of reader that once I find an author I like, I read everything they write. Including authors who hang around here -- watch it! LOL!

188lisapeet
Editado: Mar 18, 2017, 9:00pm

189southernbooklady
Mar 18, 2017, 10:23pm

Rats about Walcott. Nuts. Crap. Dammit.

190southernbooklady
Abr 11, 2017, 9:01am

Patricia McKissack

This hurts. I loved her books. Flossie and the Fox is the one I remember best, but also Mirandy and Brother Wind. Flossie sticks with me though because as a bookseller I remember that it was one of the first books besides Snowy Day that featured a black character and I still could convince white people to buy.

191southernbooklady
Abr 25, 2017, 2:11pm

So I can't be the only one who noticed that Robert Pirsig has died

Unlike, I think, many of my generation, Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance did not make a huge impression on me, although I thought it was worth reading. No great life lessons from it, though. For some reason I associate it in my head with a host of pop philosophy/spirituality books and the motorcycle trip registered not much at all. I suppose because I had been reading Steinbeck's Travels with Charley around the same time. I should probably re-read it.

I remember Zen chiefly because it sparked my interest in the Greek Sophists, and rhetorics, and for the description what it was like to be treated with electroshock therapy.

192cindydavid4
Abr 25, 2017, 9:59pm

hee, I also read that about the same time as I read Travels with Charley. Remember really liking it, but never picked it up again.

193mkunruh
Editado: Abr 26, 2017, 6:42pm

I never read it. Another gap.

Jonathan Demme. I am sad. He's all tied up with my 20s, Talking Heads (for obvious reasons) who I adore, and one of the tensest movie viewing experience of my life -- Something Wild (even tenser then Ostermann Weekend, I think) -- which I went to see on my birthday thinking it was romantic comedy. Shit, was I wrong.

194JulieCarter
Abr 27, 2017, 10:45am

I know it's kind of cliche now, but I swear Silence of the Lambs changed my life. I ended up studying what I did in school (forensic psychology, forensic science) mostly because of that movie. Of course, I really never made it in the forensic field because around that time all the CSI babies were trying to get in. But I'm still interested in it, though I did very little work in that area.

195DG_Strong
Mayo 2, 2017, 2:19pm

Edie Sedgwick biographer Jean Stein. She jumped to her death from the same building Anderson Cooper's brother jumped from.

197cindydavid4
Editado: Mayo 8, 2017, 8:09pm

Oh man - I have used his books Peter Spiers Rain and Peter Spiers Christmas with my preschoolers with special needs so often over the years that I have gone through three copies. His illustrations told all the stories that needed to be told without text, and my students were able to fill in the rest. He lead a good long life, bless him. Rest in Peace.

198LuRits
Mayo 12, 2017, 4:23pm

Catching up in the threads as I haven't been able to spend much time here for quite a while. Just noticed that Paul Fox passed away in March. In addition to her children's books and her memoir that were mentioned, she wrote several very fine adult novels -- my favorites were Poor George, Desperate Characters, and The Widow's Children. All rather dark as I recall and very well-written. A troubled past, I believe. Anyway, this thread reminded me of those fine books and of the fact that somewhere around here I have buried a couple more that I saved to read. Should try to find.

199southernbooklady
Mayo 26, 2017, 1:03pm

200mkunruh
Mayo 26, 2017, 1:53pm

Shit.

201southernbooklady
Mayo 31, 2017, 12:30pm

So here is a passing that means quite a lot to me. Carla Gray, the marketing director at Houghton Mifflin, died suddenly last night. My facebook feed just sort of exploded with the news and I've been obsessively reading everyone's comments, posts, memories, shocked and grieving expressions. I'm beginning to hate the little crying emoticon.

Carla, you need to understand, was a friend from way, way back in the day -- we were baby booksellers together at Reading International back in the 80s. And while life took us in separate directions, we both reconnected periodically because the book business is like that. I went from bookstore to bookstore, she ended up at Houghton Mifflin, so we'd chat and reminisce whenever it came time for me to call her and place an order. We'd see each other in person at trade shows and what not. which I know sounds boring, but really we both "grew up" in the book business and learned the ropes together back at that first store -- we're the same age, faced many of the same challenges, watched our business transform itself, and neither of us ever let go our passion for books. And really I can't understand how Carla can no longer be with us.

202mkunruh
Mayo 31, 2017, 12:36pm

Sorry for your loss Niki.

203cindydavid4
Mayo 31, 2017, 1:08pm

So sorry Niki

204cdcoleman
Mayo 31, 2017, 2:05pm

Condolences, Nicki. It's so hard to lose people.

205lisapeet
Editado: Mayo 31, 2017, 6:42pm

Oh Nicki, I'm so sorry. I'm seeing so many tributes to her today.

This is such a season of loss, or maybe I'm just feeling it myself. My dear, dear friend of nearly 34 years, Dena Santoro, died Monday night of complications from metastatic breast cancer. She was an excellent writer, and did some great profiles of artists for Bloom. She was a North Star kind of friend, always present and concerned and up for something interesting. I just can't quite envision the world without her in it.

206mkunruh
Jun 1, 2017, 10:39am

I'm so sorry Lisa. Losing friends is so hard. I have a North Star friend too and can't imagine a world without him.

207Nancy_Sirvent
Jun 1, 2017, 12:32pm

Oh, Lisa, I'm so sorry about your friend Dena.

208southernbooklady
Jun 5, 2017, 9:04pm

Another terrible loss to report. Yesterday the news came out that Kathryn Stripling Byer, one of North Carolina's great poets, was in hospice, rapidly losing her battle with cancer. Over the course of today, my email and feeds have been blooming with remembrances, copied poems, outpourings of grief and sadness as many, many people believed she had died. But this evening, she finally ended that battle and she is no longer among us. I feel like the mountains have hushed, the wind has stopped, and whatever it is in this part of the country that compels people to tell stories and to write -- has fallen silent, missing her voice.

I'll always be especially grateful to Kay, personally, because of the advice and encouragement she gave me when I first began to seriously write poetry. She even helped me get something published, which was above and beyond. She was a teacher and a mentor through and through -- instinctively generous and someone who brought the best out in others. She was also an activist and advocate for the arts right up until the end, and sort of awesome in her fury at NC's current despicable government.

It's hard to image what this state will sound like, without her voice in it.

210cindydavid4
Jun 6, 2017, 9:59pm

211cindydavid4
Editado: Jun 10, 2017, 12:39pm

Adam West, the first Batman

http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/adam-west-dead-batman-star-832264

Curious what he thought of how the Batman story has been played on the big screen. Did he have a fav actor, or movie?

212Pat_D
Jun 11, 2017, 8:57pm

Nikki and Lisa, so sorry to hear of your recent losses.

213DG_Strong
Jun 12, 2017, 8:00pm

Glenne Headly, lost in the shuffle of the Comey stuff last week. Lots of great stuff on her resume; she was frequently the best thing in some of her movies, which is not a bad thing to be. Dick Tracy, Dirty Rotten Scoundrels, The Purple Rose of Cairo....there are others. But she'll always be Elmira Johnson in Lonesome Dove for me, pining for Dee Boot.

214laurenbufferd
Jun 12, 2017, 9:14pm

Mr Fufferd was a fan of hers - he saw her on stage quite at bit at Steppenwolf in the 80s. He says she was an awesome Billie Dawn in Born Yesterday.

215Kat.Warren
Jun 13, 2017, 9:47pm

Saddened by Dunmore's too-early death.

217lisapeet
Editado: Ago 20, 2017, 8:06pm

Jeff and I got hitched. A Readerville wedding—just a few years after the fact (we just celebrated our 12 year cohabitation anniversary). For those of you who remember, that would translate to: Oblivia + Jaco 4 ever.

Here are some photographs of me and my handsome groom:





218southernbooklady
Ago 20, 2017, 8:47pm

Awww! Congratulations!

219theaelizabet
Ago 21, 2017, 8:33am

Congratulations!

220southernbooklady
Ago 21, 2017, 3:36pm

Well this was my first solar eclipse. I've seen four full lunar eclipses, one aurora borealis, one comet (Hale-Bopp), three double rainbows, a water spout, one tornado, a distressing number of full on hurricanes, and a handful of "shooting stars" (the perseids). Not that I'm keeping track or anything.

221varielle
Ago 21, 2017, 5:49pm

Thankfully I've missed the tornado, but have caught all these others too.

Congrats btw, there's hope for me yet. I've been with mine 15 years.

222laurenbufferd
Ago 21, 2017, 11:09pm

I'm so glad you made an honest man of him, Lisa!

223DG_Strong
Editado: Sep 4, 2017, 9:31am

I'm so deeply saddened by Ashbery's death that I'm kind of a mess. I spent the morning revisiting Houseboat Days, the collection of his that I love best, and I had forgotten how many of my favorite poems of his were in that book (Valentine and Lament Upon the Waters in particular), how many of them were tied up with a very specific time in my life and with a very specific group of people, all - save for one - now gone. One reason I've always loved this particular set is that they seem like his most hopeful poems. I don't mean that in a cradle-my-mug-in-mittens way, but in the way that I think that Ashbery sort of felt that poetry WAS the hope, it was the thing we did when we couldn't do anything else.

It's just a terrible thing that he's no longer able to do it.

224southernbooklady
Sep 4, 2017, 5:43pm

>223 DG_Strong: Yeah, okay. I've been avoiding the news and didn't see this until now. It's remarkable how some news can dim a sunny day. My own relationship with Ashbery's work is not quite so intimate, but he is one those poets who made poetry meaningful to me. I guess he was one of those writers who opened up the gates to new lands.

And I do have a kind of odd association with his work because Self Portrait in a Convex Mirror was a book I read and talked about with my very last boyfriend way back in the mid 80s -- who was also, incidentally, one of the first people who was willing to talk about books and poems the way I wanted to talk about them, in personal terms and not sounding like we'd both been raised in a lit crit course. In fact, Jimmy introduced me to a ton of writers that never made it into any of my lit classes at my Jesuit college: Ashbery, Auden, Burroughs, Jean Genet, Alan Ginsburg, Henry Miller, Pynchon, Flann O'Brien, the biographer Richard Elmann, and all the great Latin American writers of the time...looking back on it now the slant of his favorite books probably should have told me something.

225southernbooklady
Sep 7, 2017, 9:29am

226Kat.Warren
Sep 14, 2017, 5:30pm

James Patrick Donleavy, 91
https://www.theguardian.com/books/2017/sep/14/jp-donleavy-obituary

One of my favorite books:
The Lady Who Liked Clean Restrooms: The Chronicle Of One Of The Strangest Stories Ever To Be Rumoured About Around New York
by J. P. Donleavy
Link: http://a.co/evx6JQp

227Pat_D
Editado: Oct 3, 2017, 9:36am

Tom Petty

http://www.rollingstone.com/music/news/tom-petty-rock-iconoclast-who-led-the-hea...

All the old rockers are falling one by one, but this one feels way too soon.

First time I saw The Heartbreakers was in 1982 at the old Hollywood Sportatorium. Last time was at their big Homecoming Concert in Gainesville, which was really a special event. His live shows were second only to Springsteen's, and I've kept my XM/Sirius subscription all these years solely because of The Tom Petty Channel. The past couple years, it's all the radio I listened to. Besides having the best taste in music, Tom was one of music's great wits. I don't know how many times I'd be driving, or stopped at a traffic light, and he'd say something that made me laugh out loud. So, it's not like some irrelevant rocker gone to meet his maker. It almost feels like lost companionship.

228southernbooklady
Oct 3, 2017, 10:28am

Oh hell.

229theaelizabet
Oct 3, 2017, 1:05pm

>227 Pat_D: Me, too. I saw him in concert again recently at the Prudential Center in Newark. My husband and I used the occasion to celebrate our anniversary. His passing is a hard one.

230lisapeet
Oct 3, 2017, 4:05pm

I never saw him--one of the handful of performers I really liked whom I didn't get to catch. Something about this loss really smarted, maybe in conjunction with the rest of yesterday's news, but also because his music was such a constant cheerful/melancholy background for so much of my life. Different from Bowie or Prince, whom I actively engaged with, bought their albums--followed--but Tom Petty was just there, in the sweetest of ways.

Plus he was a productive, successful stoner, which I always approve of.

231Pat_D
Oct 4, 2017, 12:48am

I couldn't tear myself away from the station tonight. They've been carrying on a melancholy celebration of his life and music with celebrities calling in and telling some great stories. In between his music and celebrity anecdotes, fans have been calling in to share their personal stories, too, and they've been surprisingly poignant.

I watched some Youtube video of his last show of the 40 yr. Anniversary Tour in L.A. just a few nights ago. and oh my. It was pretty damn obvious he wasn't well.

232cindydavid4
Oct 4, 2017, 9:52am

I not only never went to his concernts but own no cd of his music. Not sure how this happened - recommendation on the best titles of cds?

233laurenbufferd
Oct 4, 2017, 11:31am

I was never a fan. Didn't dislike - just not touched much by the music. But he was certainly well respected and liked by his peers. It's always sad when a good one goes.

234LuRits
Oct 4, 2017, 4:43pm

I went to this concert once - a local thing called a music party -- different acts all evening and in between sets this small ensemble would lead the audience in group sings. And that night, everyone stood and sang "Free Falling" and it was just a joyous shout out to life and music and community. Petty had barely registered with me before that but I went out and bought the CD and whenever I hear that song now - I think of the fun of that evening, everyone singing at the top of the voices, and it makes me sad to think he's gone now.

235Pat_D
Oct 5, 2017, 11:34am

Cindy, I rarely bother with Greatest Hits compilations, mostly because I was never a Top 40 kinda' girl, but his Greatest Hits (which are mostly FM staples not Top 40) is generally considered one of the best ever. I'd recommend starting there for the casual listener. My personal favorite is "Damn the Torpedoes." I don't think he ever wrote a bad song, but although I'm a dedicated fan, I wasn't crazy about his MTV and Traveling Wilbury years.

This is the very first song I heard by him. I was listening to my favorite FM college station out of New Haven, CT one night and they played a live version of "Breakdown." That was all she wrote. I was hooked for life.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qNxfPAF1frM

236lynn_r
Oct 15, 2017, 11:44pm

I felt the same way about Tom Petty, Pat. I even remember where I was when I first heard “Breakdown” and I was hooked too. I was always listening to his radio station on XM.

I was sad about Prince and especially David Bowie passing, but Tom Petty was something special for me and I’m still pretty broken up about his death.

237Pat_D
Editado: Oct 18, 2017, 9:36am

Have you heard anything about the radio channel's fate? It won't be the same without him, but I won't reup my XM/Sirius sub if they change/cancel it.

They're still playing all the celebrity/fan testimonials in between the music, which have been so touching. Did you hear the call-in from Dhani Harrison (George's son)? He said Tom became like a surrogate dad for him after his father died. I've mostly been struck by how many younger fans are calling in reminiscing about bonding, as children, with a parent behind his music. I loved the one story this girl told about her dad taking her to a Heartbreakers' concert when she was 8 yrs. old (!).

Loved the tribute by the UF fans at their Homecoming game:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A6i3zOtjHGo

238Kat.Warren
Nov 3, 2017, 11:59am

Sad -- Peggy was a good Readerville friend.

http://eckolsfuneralhome.com/2017/11/peggy-jane-hailey/

239Pat_D
Nov 4, 2017, 9:16am

Oh, man. I remember Peggy well, She had a small bookshop and we exchanged books back on R'ville. Very sad.

241laurenbufferd
Nov 7, 2017, 11:07am

Oh! My Secret Garden. A very important book.

242southernbooklady
Nov 8, 2017, 11:16am

Here's a milestone that passed me by: As of November 7, Book Balloon has been on LibraryThing for one year.

243mkunruh
Nov 8, 2017, 11:34am

Wow. That wooshed by.

244cindydavid4
Editado: Nov 8, 2017, 7:05pm

Given what this year has been like, its a nice anniversary to celebrate!

Ive enjoyed being here in LT - gotten to know other people on other sites who also love reading. And it looks like we've had some new folks in with us. Any idea how many?

245Kat.Warren
Dic 5, 2017, 11:51pm

Christine Keeler

246Nancy_Sirvent
Dic 9, 2017, 4:56pm

I just found out that Tana Butler passed away on December 6. Many of you knew her from Table Talk, Readerville, and other places. I knew she had cancer, but I did not realize that she was that sick. I'm blown away. Her daughter wrote a lovely tribute on Tana's FB page. Tana's afterlife will most certainly be full of flowers, farms, babies, art, and exuberance. Rest in all that, my dear.

247DG_Strong
Dic 9, 2017, 5:16pm

I knew she was close to the end; I wrote her a quick postcard a couple of weeks ago but hadn't heard back, whereas usually she would respond quite quickly. That's genuinely sad news.

248cindydavid4
Dic 9, 2017, 5:18pm

>246 Nancy_Sirvent: Oh! I am sorry to hear that! I well remember Tana and enjoyed her posts. I also remember she was the one that got the ball rolling for the tribute to Imre (still have that somewhere) I'll go to the FB page, thanks for letting us know, Nancy

249cindydavid4
Dic 9, 2017, 5:37pm

Something she posted in October:

Original cancer is back and it's spread. I've known for a couple weeks. I'm completely at peace in terms of it just being my time.
This is THE MOST IMPORTANT THING. I am not fighting, hating, or cursing this. It is my precious body, and I will NOT have it. It helps no one. Keep it to yourself.
My motto now is "peaceful, chill, and groovy."
That's all for now. My hospice nurse is here. I am being supported so beautifully. More soon.
I'm at peace.

250SP_Rankin
Dic 9, 2017, 6:23pm

Oh, golly. That’s sad.

251lisapeet
Dic 10, 2017, 9:43pm

Tana and I IM'd a bit recently about the genealogy work she had gotten into and how helpful the librarians she spoke with were. I had meant to send her a link to a podcast I thought she'd like, but she declined very quickly once she found out about her final diagnosis and I never had the chance. She and her partner got married after decades together just a few days before she died. I had the feeling she had a lot of love and good vibes surrounding her, and it was good to see what she had put out in the world come back to her when she needed it.

253laurenbufferd
Editado: Dic 29, 2017, 3:19pm

Sue Grafton died. So sad. I stopped somewhere mid-alphabet but still. They were awfully good fun.

254Nancy_Sirvent
Dic 29, 2017, 3:24pm

And she never got to the "Z Is For . . ." book.

255cindydavid4
Dic 29, 2017, 3:33pm

Oh my. Never read them (Never much into mystery) but certainly saw her books. Was she able to turn each book into a different story as she went down the alphabet?

256southernbooklady
Dic 29, 2017, 3:42pm

I made it to H before I lost steam. But I'll admit it was more that I lost interest in the genre than that I lost interest in Kinsey Milhone.

It seems weirdly appropriate that "Z" remains unwritten, though.

257MsMixte
Dic 29, 2017, 3:43pm

From her FB page:

"Sue Grafton
35 mins ·

Hello Dear Readers. This is Sue's daughter, Jamie. I am sorry to tell you all that Sue passed away last night after a two year battle with cancer. She was surrounded by family, including her devoted and adoring husband Steve. Although we knew this was coming, it was unexpected and fast. She had been fine up until just a few days ago, and then things moved quickly. Sue always said that she would continue writing as long as she had the juice. Many of you also know that she was adamant that her books would never be turned into movies or TV shows, and in that same vein, she would never allow a ghost writer to write in her name. Because of all of those things, and out of the deep abiding love and respect for our dear sweet Sue, as far as we in the family are concerned, the alphabet now ends at Y. "

258JulieCarter
Ene 3, 2018, 3:52pm

Oh wow! I didn't hear about Sue Grafton until just now! That's so sad. Ends at Y. (I petered out at G, I think. I'm not good at continuing really long series, for the most part.)

259SP_Rankin
Ene 23, 2018, 6:46pm

Ursula K. Le Guin.

260southernbooklady
Ene 23, 2018, 8:04pm

oh, wow.

261laurenbufferd
Ene 24, 2018, 1:36pm

And Hugh Masekela. Sad day.

262LuRits
Ene 25, 2018, 4:03pm

Did you hear the piece NPR did in him yesterday. It was lovely, especially to hear his voice.

263laurenbufferd
Ene 25, 2018, 6:12pm

I did. It was lovely and to hear the range of the music he played. Very inspiring.

264cindydavid4
Ene 28, 2018, 2:34pm

265cindydavid4
Editado: Feb 24, 2018, 4:26am

Nanette Fabray https://www.cbsnews.com/news/nanette-fabray-tony-emmy-award-winning-actress-dead...

Sorry to say that the only thing I saw her in was Hollywood Squares, which I loved, and loved her in it. Knew she was hearing impaired, didn't realize she had surgery to correct it. Wonder what type of surgery; in 1967 I don't think coclear implants were around yet.) ...Anyway would like to see some of the films she was in. Im assuming TMC will have some available soon.

266DG_Strong
Editado: Feb 24, 2018, 7:58am

This part brought me up short: "Fabray earned screenwriting credits for 1945's "Mildred Pierce" and 1963's "Cleopatra" -- I hunted around and I can't find any proof that this is true, so it's got me wondering about this obit.

Also, I think she was the last one left from the very best musical, The Band Wagon. Sigh.

268lisapeet
Editado: Mar 14, 2018, 6:28am

Hawking, no S.

Sweet Twitter roundup from the Guardian.

269southernbooklady
Abr 18, 2018, 11:28am

270lisapeet
Abr 22, 2018, 5:32pm

J.D. McClatchy

He wrote a lot about the cancer that eventually killed him—I always liked his work.

271karenwall
Editado: Mayo 18, 2018, 12:54pm

Margot Kidder. Always liked her. I vaguely remember some talk about her writing an autobiography but I guess that didn’t happen.

272cindydavid4
Mayo 14, 2018, 8:26pm

Oh I loved her in Superman, coudn't imagine anyone in that role Not sure if Ive seen her in other movies, but I fondly remember her in that one RIP

273southernbooklady
Mayo 15, 2018, 3:19pm

274southernbooklady
Mayo 21, 2018, 6:42pm

And this is big news in my neighborhood:

Mama Dip

275southernbooklady
Mayo 23, 2018, 7:57am

And here's a biggie: Philip Roth

I have a complicated relationship with his books, thanks to a particularly icky English teacher's take on Portnoy's Complaint in high school.

276laurenbufferd
Mayo 23, 2018, 10:24am

I was just about to say that sbl, not because of a teacher but just because of him. Very conflicted. But nobody wrote like him. so smart. And 'Ill be forever grateful for the Writers from the Other Europe series.

277lisapeet
Mayo 23, 2018, 10:53am

Aw, gee. His writing was... well I was going to say seminal but maybe I'll skip that adjective in this case. Important, then, for me as a young female with an emerging writer's sensibility.

When I worked at the American Museum of Natural History I used to see him sometimes on (appropriately enough) Columbus Avenue, hailing a cab, in the mornings. I was always struck by how much he looked like just a certain kind of little old NYC guy trying to get a cab on a busy street—and I'd generally smile at him ("I know you") and he'd smile back ("That's nice, lady, but I really need a cab").

278karenwall
Editado: Mayo 23, 2018, 4:32pm

I’ve read a lot of Roth, probably as much as any male writer. Because who could be as different from a small town Texas girl raised in the Baptist church as Roth? I first read him at 15. I haven’t read him in a long time though. When She Was Good was the first one I read. It’s the only book of his with a female protagonist.

279cindydavid4
Mayo 23, 2018, 8:13pm

I tried to read his stuff, just didn't take, even trying it as an adult. I felt embarrassed to be reading it, frankly.

280DG_Strong
Mayo 24, 2018, 7:13am

I could be wrong about this, but I think Katharine W's property in CT adjoins his, or they at least share some woods or something. I vaguely remember a story she told me once about running into him in the woods and I remember thinking "that is the strangest story." I mean, I know he had that farmhouse up there for decades, but he seems so....city-writer to me that running into him in the woods would be a big disconnect.

281laurenbufferd
Mayo 24, 2018, 10:07am

Oh no, he is definitely a Connecticut guy. Or rather, was.

Embarrassed, Cindy? Why on earth? He had a lot to say, even if it made us all uncomfortable. The Plot Against America and The Ghost writer are two of the most brilliant books I ever read. I Married a Communist one of the funniest and meanest. Yeah, he was probably an asshole in RL but who isn't?

282karenwall
Mayo 24, 2018, 10:22am

I haven’t read Plot Against America. I’m going to correct that.

283laurenbufferd
Mayo 24, 2018, 10:55am

It's so great!

284Nancy_Sirvent
Mayo 24, 2018, 4:05pm

It's hard to believe he's gone. He was such an icon. But I was never a big fan.

285cindydavid4
Mayo 24, 2018, 7:55pm

>281 laurenbufferd: I dunno, I was probably introduced to him too young with Portnoys Complaint. It just creeped me out, and never was able to get that taste out of my mouth when trying his other books. Maybe its time to try again. What would I start with?

286laurenbufferd
Mayo 25, 2018, 10:05am

First, swish out your mouth with some scope or something and then read The Plot Against America. I think you will really like it.

287cindydavid4
Mayo 26, 2018, 11:06am

yes ma'am!

288cindydavid4
Mayo 27, 2018, 10:45pm

plate o shrimp, look what I found in the NYT -What Philip Roth Didn’t Know About Women Could Fill a Book

289laurenbufferd
Mayo 28, 2018, 3:00pm

I know, I know, as a friend of mine said - a lion among writers, a pig among men. But still. The writing.

290alans
Mayo 29, 2018, 3:08pm

I read American Pastoral and thought the writing style was excellent, but the book struck me as being kind of silly and overblown (the Swede?). The whole terrorist daughter part was so silly and I actually felt a good part of the book was quite racist and then when I heard how people went on and on about what a masterpiece it was I just couldn't get it. I since then met a man who adores Roth and who has read everything the man has ever written and I asked him about the racism in American Pastoraland he agreed with me but he still loved the man. The part I'm referring to is the burning of Newark during riots and how Newark was once a wonderful town but black people ruined it. I couldn't believe he would write that and get away with it. It just floored me. It's like when other White guys like Updike used to write with disgust about gay sex in literature-as if he was pruidish about his own obsession with sex. I would read these things and wonder what planet these dinosaurs lived on.

291laurenbufferd
Mayo 30, 2018, 10:10am

I just read that Roth decided to be buried at my alma mater (Bard College) so he could be near his friend Norman Manea. It's a lot to take in.

292southernbooklady
Jun 8, 2018, 8:16am

Anthony Bourdain

Suicide. Horrible.

293karenwall
Jun 8, 2018, 8:54am

Just about to post this. I remember way back when I was first lurking on Readerville he was an author guest and was so entertaining.

294Nancy_Sirvent
Jun 8, 2018, 11:00am

I am bereft about Bourdain. He was a Provincetown guy, and I thought he had the greatest life. Apparently not so much.

295cindydavid4
Jun 8, 2018, 11:04am

Oh my gawd! He's my age. I loved his books and his travel shows. That is just sad. Rest in Peace.

NYT interspersed the article with information on where to get help if you are suicidal. Sad it has to be done, but necessary.

There is a rise in suicides in the country. Wonder if it has anything to do with the state of affairs.

296Nancy_Sirvent
Editado: Jun 8, 2018, 11:22am

I don't want to hear that he used a gun. I'm not sure why it matters.

edit: He didn't. He hanged himself. Bless his poor daughter.

297lisapeet
Jun 8, 2018, 2:38pm

Man, the world is a really hard place.

If there's one thing social media has done for me karmically, it's to show me that I really have no concept of the amount, and volume, and severity, of what is in other people's heads, and to remind me to act accordingly. I try to remember this.

Never saw Bourdain's show, but I read that first book of his and really enjoyed it. It was so of its time, y'know?

298Kat.Warren
Jun 8, 2018, 3:10pm

I sometimes wonder what I will do when Jim dies. Assuming I'm around. I am so worn out emotionally.

And, yes, heads and hearts of many house tyrannical demons.

299Kat.Warren
Editado: Jun 8, 2018, 5:25pm

But the thought of books, flowers, chocolate and champagne might be sufficient to keep me going.

300cindydavid4
Jun 8, 2018, 5:27pm

{{Kat}}

301Nancy_Sirvent
Jun 8, 2018, 9:18pm

I understand, Kat. Much love your way.

302karenwall
Jun 8, 2018, 9:56pm

Love you, Kat.

303lisapeet
Jun 8, 2018, 10:27pm

I hear you loud and clear, Kat dear, though I don't have an answer for you.

304lisapeet
Jun 8, 2018, 10:40pm

Jesus, Charles Krauthammer. Not dead, but dying, and owning it.

305Nancy_Sirvent
Jun 8, 2018, 11:43pm

Whoa. I hadn't seen that before now. So simple and eloquent yet I can't take it all in at once.

306laurenbufferd
Jun 9, 2018, 10:36am

Kat, we will keep you swimming in all that you love.

307mkunruh
Jun 11, 2018, 12:01am

Lots of love Kat. You deserve boatloads of books, chocolates and champagne.

Lisa, check out Bourdain's show -- particularly Parts Unknown -- he does a couple in New York, Brooklyn and Bronx, I think, that are particularly good.

309southernbooklady
Sep 1, 2018, 1:11pm

The Village Voice

The times they have a-changed.

310alans
Sep 6, 2018, 12:25pm

I actually kept a copy of the Voice from the late eighties-It is really surprising what an incredible paper it once was. Does everyone remember their literary special section? They were really ahead of
the curve as was their general journalism. But it became just dreadful in the past ten years.

311lisapeet
Sep 9, 2018, 9:27am

Oh man, I still remember waiting for the Voice to come out, and descending on the street box like a vulture on Wednesday? mornings in the early '80s. I'd turn straight to the back first, to see what bands were playing, and then begin at the front and read most of it cover to cover over the week. That was a great time to be in New York, and the Voice was a great accompaniment.

313laurenbufferd
Sep 19, 2018, 9:16pm

good riddance.

314mkunruh
Sep 19, 2018, 10:01pm

i couldn't agree more -- I was so pissed off that the NYRB gave space for Ghomeshi to speak.

315Pat_D
Sep 22, 2018, 3:28pm

I'm posting here because this is a minor milestone for me.

I waited almost 24 hours before making my decision as I didn't want to act impulsively. Today I canceled my subscription to TNYT.

316Kat.Warren
Sep 22, 2018, 3:36pm

The New York Review of Books is a different publication than the New York Times Book Review.

317Pat_D
Editado: Sep 22, 2018, 4:00pm

I know that, Kat.

My bad for not specifying. I canceled the newspaper because of the completely irresponsible and suspect "reporting" of the Schmidt/Goldman article. I know we don't usually discuss politics here, so I'll just provide a link:

Rod Rosenstein Suggested Secretly Recording Trump and Discussed 25th Amendment
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318Kat.Warren
Editado: Sep 24, 2018, 5:45pm

Sorry, PatD. I thought your post was a continuation of the Buruma story.

Inhave not looked into it deeply but I am not sure I think that reporting was irresponsible. Especially given the current whackadoodle reality.

319cindydavid4
Dic 5, 2018, 7:12pm

A former student of mine and his wife had a beautiful little girl two weeks ago. Just found out that she died last night - they don't know what happened yet but my heart just breaks for them. Reading the comments on their page, is helpful for me knowing they are surrounded by supportive family and friends. But I scream every time someone says 'be strong' They just lost their baby, strong is not what they need to be right now! but I say nothing. Her name was Zoe. She'll be in my heart forever.

320mkunruh
Dic 6, 2018, 11:11am

That's terrible Cindy. Sorry for your and their loss.

321alans
Dic 6, 2018, 11:15am

That is horrible...so sorry for the family and your loss-very, very sad.

322lisapeet
Dic 9, 2018, 6:52pm

Ah Cindy, I'm sorry. What a hard thing to go through.

323cindydavid4
Editado: Dic 9, 2018, 8:30pm

Thanks guys. They just put up a gofundme page (when did they start making the tips mandatory?) Anyway I was glad to contribute.)

They just put up a new profile picture of the two of them when she was pregnant. That just feels weird, but this isn't about me. If it helps them cope and heal...

Then today another former student announced that she is pregnant so of course everyone is excited. But the two gals know each other - cant imagine what that conversation would be like. Hopefull filled with love.

324Nancy_Sirvent
Ene 17, 2019, 12:25pm

Mary Oliver. I am so sad.

325southernbooklady
Ene 17, 2019, 5:43pm

I think the birds in the trees and leaves drifting to the ground are sad.

326lisapeet
Ene 17, 2019, 7:19pm

And all the dogs who haven’t yet had a poem written about them.

327Nancy_Sirvent
Ene 17, 2019, 8:59pm

And the Atlantic Ocean.

328mkunruh
Ene 18, 2019, 11:56am

My feelings about Oliver are conflicted enough that I don't know if you are celebrating her or making fun of her. (But I suspect celebrating?)

329Nancy_Sirvent
Ene 18, 2019, 4:05pm

Yes, celebrating. I assumed everyone else was, too, but I could be wrong.

330mkunruh
Ene 18, 2019, 4:52pm

No, to be honest, I thought all of you were celebrating. It just struck me that from a certain perspective it could be the opposite.

331southernbooklady
Ene 18, 2019, 5:29pm

>330 mkunruh: Heh. I don't think I'm capable of being that subtle.

Mary Oliver means a lot to me, especially because she means a lot to my mom. So it was over Mary Oliver poems that we first ventured into talking poetry with each other. Oliver was never revelatory to me, she's more like a kindred spirit, and someone whose eloquence I aspired to (unsuccessfully). I've never read a poem of hers and thought "the world is different now" or "I am different now". But I have often read one and thought, "yes, this is what the world is." "this is exactly what I am".

332Kat.Warren
Editado: Ene 18, 2019, 7:01pm

Yesterday, 17 January, was our 47th anniversary. I did nothing to mark it because it takes too much effort and I must conserve my energies for more important activities such as sleeping. And Jim does not know this stuff anymore and it's too difficult to explain to him.

333Nancy_Sirvent
Ene 18, 2019, 9:28pm

Happy Anniversary, Kat. I understand why you didn't talk about it with Jim. It's so exhausting and such an unfair thing to have to go through after so many years of sharing your lives together. The disease is harder on you than it is on Jim--he doesn't have the memory skills that would enable him to feel bad about anything in the present. You probably know all this, but I just want to remind you not to feel guilty about your feelings (or non-feelings) or actions (or non-actions) toward Jim. He can't hang on to the memory for more than a few minutes, if at all, so let yourself let go of all that. I went through this with my father, and I saw what my mother went through with my father, and I think it is one of the most cruel things that life can hand you.

Hey, I'm sending you an email momentarily.

334lisapeet
Ene 18, 2019, 9:37pm

>332 Kat.Warren: Well I'm glad you marked it here, Kat. 47 years, wow... that's a lot of love.

>331 southernbooklady: That's nicely put, Nicki. I really like her work for how beautifully she portrays the natural world and then isn't explicit about how it should make you feel. So her poems are very... portable, you can take them with you, if that makes any sense. And she wrote love poems to dogs.

335Kat.Warren
Ene 19, 2019, 12:22am

A few days ago I wrote this about me and Jim:

Glory
For Jim

I remember that waking-up scent,
honey-humid-warm
on hot New Orleans mornings,
when we still were slick
from the night before
lithe and long, limbs
supple, bending to honey
it was glory
we were glory

336cindydavid4
Ene 19, 2019, 3:50am

That is wonderful, Kat. Happy anniversary - I agree with lisa, that is a whole lotta love. Hoping you get some rest.

337Pat_D
Ene 21, 2019, 3:36pm

Lovely words, Kat.

47 yrs is truly a milestone. Hardly anyone stays married that long, anymore.

It's a horrible, heartbreaking disease. It affected many of my patients in the neuro ICU and their families. Jim may not know it, but we know how lucky he is to have you.

338laurenbufferd
Ene 23, 2019, 3:07pm

(((((kat))))) That is one sexy poem, you rascal.

339LuRits
Ene 24, 2019, 8:38am

You are glory. Glad you brought the anniversary here so we can share and think on you you both. Give Jim a kiss from me.

340SPRankin
Ene 24, 2019, 2:02pm

Hearts and flowers to you, Kat.

Re: Oliver. Yeah, I really love Oliver. Like, really love her. However, I agree with Nicki about the kindred spirit part. I put on Facebook that Oliver's in a lot of the photographs I take, just that way of seeing nature most of all (or trying to), and that way of observing a deeply familiar place. And I like her economy and clarity and concreteness. Her non-nature poems don't grab me as much, if I'm honest.

341Kat.Warren
Feb 28, 2019, 12:20am

Thank you all. This is turning into a lonely journey, and arduous.

342mkunruh
Feb 28, 2019, 2:37pm

Terribly lonely, I'm sure. And arduous, I suspect, is an understatement. Villages, filled with people we love, are needed for these situations. Not usually possible in our world. So virtual hugs and love are inadequate, but I'm sending them anyways.

343Kat.Warren
Feb 28, 2019, 6:14pm

Thank you, Mir. There's one of those villages in the Netherlands!
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