Coriolanus
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2belleyang
Cariola said:
I don't think it was a case of pleasing "the mob" v. pleasing himself. He was trying out a new genre, and he was also collaborating with other playwrights who may have influenced the content of these plays.
Coriolanus is a bit of the fool (though an admirable one) himself, and if there is a love story, it's the one between the warrior and his mother, Volumnia.
Ivyd said:
As for Coriolanus, I disagree that he was "a bit of the fool." He was proud and noble and unbending; his refusal to pander to the mob led to his wrongul ejectment from Rome, and the same lofty ideals dictated his revenge (righting of the wrong) by marching on Rome. Yet, ironically, he was finally defeated by his love for his mother: she was the one who had instilled those ideals in him, and his willingness to follow her advice led to his death.
Yet, I really didn't see the depth of character in Coriolanus that I expect from Shakespeare. I guess I thought that Plutarch (who I also recently read) did a better job of exploring his character and how it led to his downfall.
I don't think it was a case of pleasing "the mob" v. pleasing himself. He was trying out a new genre, and he was also collaborating with other playwrights who may have influenced the content of these plays.
Coriolanus is a bit of the fool (though an admirable one) himself, and if there is a love story, it's the one between the warrior and his mother, Volumnia.
Ivyd said:
As for Coriolanus, I disagree that he was "a bit of the fool." He was proud and noble and unbending; his refusal to pander to the mob led to his wrongul ejectment from Rome, and the same lofty ideals dictated his revenge (righting of the wrong) by marching on Rome. Yet, ironically, he was finally defeated by his love for his mother: she was the one who had instilled those ideals in him, and his willingness to follow her advice led to his death.
Yet, I really didn't see the depth of character in Coriolanus that I expect from Shakespeare. I guess I thought that Plutarch (who I also recently read) did a better job of exploring his character and how it led to his downfall.
3belleyang
>2 belleyang: I, too, did not see Coriolanus as a fool but not entirely noble either. He would not pander to the citizens of Rome. He could not easily wear the shirt of humility in order to obtain political rewards. This was noble. But to turn around immediately and join Aufidius, the mortal enemy of Rome, in order destroy his homeland where his mother, wife and children reside, is the action of someone who lacks good sense.
Coriolanus' total disregard in placating the citzenry of Rome was where I imagined Shakespeare was writing for himself or perhaps about a personal desire where Will Shakespeare would not to have to indulge an audience who wanted all the trappings of entertainment (such as the themes of cuckoldry and fast-paced actions in Cymbeline's intensely plot driven play). Coriolanus wished to please no one but his own sense of self.
Another character who puzzled me was Volumnia until I realized she did not love her son. If she would coerce her son from sacking Rome, she would become a power player in that city. Her son was merely an instrument to power. She was smart enough to forsee that Tullus Aufidius would not let Coriolanus live after he backed away from the total destruction of Rome.
Coriolanus' total disregard in placating the citzenry of Rome was where I imagined Shakespeare was writing for himself or perhaps about a personal desire where Will Shakespeare would not to have to indulge an audience who wanted all the trappings of entertainment (such as the themes of cuckoldry and fast-paced actions in Cymbeline's intensely plot driven play). Coriolanus wished to please no one but his own sense of self.
Another character who puzzled me was Volumnia until I realized she did not love her son. If she would coerce her son from sacking Rome, she would become a power player in that city. Her son was merely an instrument to power. She was smart enough to forsee that Tullus Aufidius would not let Coriolanus live after he backed away from the total destruction of Rome.
