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1pollysmith
Jun 4, 2007, 2:47 pm

I bought a new rosebush yesterday in a gallon pot from Lowes. The company is Jackson and Perkins, It is further labeled Pat Austin ENGLISH ROSE. I really wan this bush to do well, any tips?

2dore
Jun 4, 2007, 3:51 pm

Hi, Polly

Congratulations on your new rose bush.
I have some Jackson and Perkins roses and they are lovely.

The name Pat Austin makes me think it must be one of Austin's roses who is (was?) known for bringing back antique roses with wonderful fragrance. Is it a yellow rose? I think that was one of his famous roses.

It's helpful to know what kind of growth pattern the rose has: climbing, bush, etc. and to choose an appropriate place.

I would try calling a plant nursery or a bontanical garden near you and see what recommendations they might have.

Enjoy. Doré

3pollysmith
Jun 4, 2007, 5:51 pm

Its copper and gold coloured and highly fragranced. Not a climber. They are beautiful!

4margd
Editado: Jun 5, 2007, 3:06 am

Speaking of roses, I need some advice! My deceased mother planted a rose near the grave of her infant son (my youngest brother) >1958. It's under a bush--because we aren't to plant in that cemetery--and is just a long twig or two now. I would like to culture a new plant from it in a few years. (I'm in US, and it's in Canada.) It might be a Peace or Queen Elizabeth rose, as I remember her mentioning those two strains. Is there a good resource on culturing roses? They're usually spliced onto a different rootstock, aren't they? Maybe I'd be better off asking a local rosarian to culture it for me? Not for amateurs?

Edit: 10,000 Garden Questions Answered by 20 Experts had some suggestions, but the weak condition of the original plant (i.e., no strong stems or flowering stem, which is supposed to be best for grafts) plus its location in a cemetery and under a bush (i.e., no layering, or digging up) has me in a quandary. I don't want to kill the plant trying to propagate! My web searches, though cursory, haven't helped. I probably need to seek out local rose growers one of these days for onsite advice...

5pollysmith
Jun 4, 2007, 7:53 pm

Why not research it online?

6MarianV
Jun 5, 2007, 1:12 pm

Can you get your hands on a Jackson & Perkins catalog? If not, try them on line. They do a lot of growing of David Austin's Enclish roses for American gardens. The best advice I know of is to try to haave a climate as much likee that in England if possible. No all day hot sun, no long winter period of below zero days. Use lots of mulch &, of course, plenty of water. Good luck.

7pollysmith
Jun 5, 2007, 1:32 pm

thanks

8Windy
Jun 5, 2007, 2:27 pm

Margd -

If it's a grafted rose, it won't come true from propagation. You'd have to try to dig it up.

9florahistora
Jun 6, 2007, 7:00 am

Congrats Pollysmith on your "Pat Austin" rose. I have two David Austin roses that are among my favorites: "Graham Thomas" - a clear soft yellow and "Abraham Darby" a yellow apricot, one not as deep in color as yours. They are both vigorous growers and both respond spectacularly to pegging! I do little to them except tie up the long canes so they don't whip about in the winter wind. I do not prune them in the fall. I wait until stable spring temps. arrive. Give them a rich compost top dressing each year plus a little fertilizer and mulch them for the summer and you will do well. Good luck.

Pollysmith got me thinking about books on roses. My only one is terrific but dated: Peter Beales Roses (not the book that appears in touchstones. It was last published in 1991 and only introduces David Austin as an up and coming rosarian. Does anyone recommend a newer "rose bible"?

As for propgation, I agree with Windy. I believe both Peace and Queen Elizabeth are grafted roses and cannot be propogated from cuttings alone. Beales in his book takes you through the grafting process but I have never tried it.

10pollysmith
Jun 6, 2007, 7:38 am

#9 thank you! I look forward to beautiful roses.

11Thoughtshapes
Jun 15, 2007, 5:14 pm

((David Austin)) has written books about his roses with sumptuous photographs. I live in England and have quite a lot of his roses. Pat Austin is one of my favourites - glowing coppery petals and delicious fragrance. I visited his nursery some years ago, which had a beautiful garden full of roses and companion plants. (Peter Beale)'s nursery is also a wonderful place to visit. We have found most of the Austin roses easy to grow, but we have the sort of heavy clay soil that they like. Both of these growers have good websites with lots of useful information.

12pollysmith
Jun 15, 2007, 5:39 pm

thank you so much!

13oregonobsessionz
Jun 15, 2007, 6:10 pm

>11 Thoughtshapes:

This is very exciting news! I have never been a fan of roses, because the shrubs don't match up to the beauty of the flowers, and I don't have time to spend on the fussy care they seem to require. If the David Austin roses are easy to care for AND they love heavy clay soil, I will have to check them out! Can you recommend any that will manage in bright shade? Our climate in the Pacific Northwest is similar to yours in England.

14Thoughtshapes
Jun 16, 2007, 4:37 am

I agree that for most of the year the bush is either something resembling a bunch of old sticks or a mass of uninteresting leaves. But... there is the excitement of seeing the first buds developing and the anticipation of the, sometimes breathtakingly, beautiful blooms and the glorious scent. It's a bit like waiting for the cherry blossom.

Apart from a bit of light pruning and a good mulch in spring, we don't do much to them at all. Some become so rampant, however, that every so often we have to be a bit brutal - we are rewarded by even better blooms the next year. Many only flower once, but more repeat-flowering varieties are available.

Not sure if I'm allowed to paste this link to a David Austin US site - made a mess of the whole Touchstones business, so hope I'm not breaking some regulation.

http://www.davidaustinroses.com/american/

We are going to an annual show in England called 'Gardener's World Live' tomorrow, linked to a popular weekly gardening show, and there will be some amazing displays from both the growers I mentioned above, plus hundreds of other stunning displays. We usually stagger out with plants, even though we have no idea where we will be able to plant them!

Hope this helps. The rose is my favourite flower and I think it's worth all the snagged jumpers and thorns in fingers. I'd be happy to name some personal favourites, but I'm not sure about the 'bright shade' as our back garden faces west and doesn't have a lot of shade. We tend to plant ramblers and climbers in the shady areas and they climb up trees in the coppice next to our garden.

Apologies for rambling (!) on a bit.

15Thoughtshapes
mayo 10, 2008, 3:52 am

Just wondering what you bought oregonobsessionz.

We should have enjoyed an old single yellow rambler by now, but for the last two years the men who are sent by the council to mow the green in front of the houses and tend the shrubs have hacked down our rose, which is in our section. So no flowers at all.

16antisyzygy
mayo 10, 2008, 4:21 pm

I have Pat Austin and can't recommend her highly enough. It's about 8 years old now, and for the past 4 years I've taken out the oldest stem, before that just prune to kept tidy and any diseased/damaged stems. It has a quite bushy habit - I live in Edinburgh, Scotland, so any plant has to be pretty hardy, and able to cope with damaging winds all winter. It's very floriferous, I'm still picking flowers into late October November, and I exhibit at the local flower show, and this one always attracts admirers.

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